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I am the "Mothering" mom of two boys, ages 9 and 6. I did all the family bed, breast feeding until 3, wear your baby, and no vaccine stuff when they were little. At the time, I guess I just assumed that they would get exposed to all the kiddie illnesses and get that "natural immunity." Now my oldest is almost 10 and has yet to catch anything. So what do I do now? I have read that mumps and maybe measles can make you sterile if you get them past puberty. All the vaccine information seems to be about the little tots. As they get older, do you just continue to go with your original decision and not worry about it?<br><br>
My kids have never had a shot. Maybe they are just super healthy and have been exposed but not developed the diseases? I feel conflicted -- both sides of the issue seem to cater to the fears of the loving moms.<br><br>
If this issue has been hashed to death already, please just point me to the thread(s). Thanks!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I am the "Mothering" mom of two boys, ages 9 and 6. I did all the family bed, breast feeding until 3, wear your baby, and no vaccine stuff when they were little. At the time, I guess I just assumed that they would get exposed to all the kiddie illnesses and get that "natural immunity." Now my oldest is almost 10 and has yet to catch anything. So what do I do now? I have read that mumps and maybe measles can make you sterile if you get them past puberty. All the vaccine information seems to be about the little tots. As they get older, do you just continue to go with your original decision and not worry about it?<br><br>
My kids have never had a shot. Maybe they are just super healthy and have been exposed but not developed the diseases? I feel conflicted -- both sides of the issue seem to cater to the fears of the loving moms.<br><br>
If this issue has been hashed to death already, please just point me to the thread(s). Thanks!</div>
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Just because they don't show symptoms to a disease, doesn't mean that they do not have immunity. (Someone might suggest titres...but it's not all that reliable.)<br><br>
I have never heard of any unvaccinated kids that came down with childhood diseases at a later age nor are there any studies done to prove otherwise.<br><br>
Wonder why?<br><br>
That is basically a worry of vaccinated children where the superficial immunity from the vaccine has worn off.<br><br>
Here is what one doctor in Europe told me. Healthy, unvaccinated children will show no signs of illnesses at all but get all the immunity naturally.<br><br><br>
In Switzerland they did a study based on the question: If children are vaccinated with MMR and show immunity to the rubella strain of the vaccine<br>
at a young age, how can women still show immunity at reproductive age?<br><br>
(And most of the women do in fact.)<br><br>
How can that happen? Superficial immunity due to vaccine - they claim - lasts about 5 yrs.<br><br>
The study was done with vaccinated females who never had symptoms of rubella. And guess what? When retested they had core immunity to a wild strain of Rubella.<br><br>
So, it is my opinion that most kids still build immunity to childhood disease. Just as we have always done. The diseases had pretty much subsided before vaccines. That doesn't mean we didn't get immunity, it means do to better living conditions we build immunity without showing symptoms.<br><br><br>
I believe your kids are just as healthy as most kids would be if their immune system were not messed with. I believe your kids' immune system will keep them healthy for the rest of their lives. I would NOT worry one bit and I am hopping for exactly those results for my unvaccinated grandson.<br><br>
Thanks for sharing your story.
 

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My son is only 10 mo old, but I was wondering this myself (for when he is older). Thanks for the info Gitti--the way you explain it, makes perfect sense. What do other people think?
 

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I would ask for some documentation of that. I'd also be interested to actually read this swiss study as well - got a link for it?<br><br><br>
Can they get mumps? Sure.<br>
Will mumps make them sterile? Highly, highly unlikely. Even the CDC will tell you that.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Mumps is generally a mild illness. One-third of cases have no detectable symptoms -- infected people do not even know they are sick. The swollen jaws that most of us associate with mumps actually only occur in about 30% of infected individuals. According to the CDC, mild central nervous system irritation (causing headache and stiff neck) can appear in about 15% of cases, but permanent damage is rare.<br><br>
Inflammation of the testicles (usually only on one side) occurs in about half of infected males who have already been through puberty. Contrary to what many people believe, sterility is a very rare occurrence among these cases.</td>
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<a href="http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/YFH/20048-mmr-vaccine.htm" target="_blank">http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/Y...mr-vaccine.htm</a>
 

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Thank you for your informative replies. I go along for years at a time not even thinking about vaccination, as my decision was a done deal in 1995. But I still catch my breath every time I read something about the dangers of not vaccinating. Even with all the anti-vaccine evidence I have read, and my own experience of arthritis from a pre-college MMR booster, it is a hot-button issue for me.<br><br>
Ultimately, I think it is one of those "I will never be completely comfortable" decisions. And that may tie into what becomes ever more clear to me as my children get older and are no longer attatched to me constantly. That is that in having children, I made myself completely vulnerable -- my heart walks around outside my body. As a mother, there is nothing I can do to protect my children from all the dangers of life. But I try to remember that I do them and myself a disservice if I dwell on that fear rather than on the joy that we bring to each other by our existence.<br><br>
So for now they continue to be unvaccinated. And soon it will no longer be my decision how their bodies are cared for, but theirs.<br><br>
Enjoy your babies. They are even more wonderful as they get older (I know this is hard to believe), but still, I miss my babies. I do not, however, miss the sleep deprivation!
 
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