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I just heard on the news tonight that my midwife would be going to jail <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"> She was my midwife for my second child. She went for practicing medicaine without a lisence which is a load of crap. The thing is she was charged with this several years back and told not to practice but did anyway. There were no other midwives in the area and she was working hard to get some apprentices trained up and out. One day she had a sad outcome. I don't know the whole story but the parents never blamed her and defended her and her actions in court. unfortunately she will spend 30 days in jail. it doesn't sound like much but she is an older woman (60 maybe) from the country, who lives a modest life. It just seems wrong for such a caring christian woman who sacrificed herself , and gave such a grerat service to those in her comunity and beyond should spend a single second in jail. when she gets out she faces hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and legal fees (she has been in and out of court for 3 years now.)<br><br>
SO please keep her in your prayers. I am sure it is going to be hard for her to be seperated from her family, her parents, children and husbands. there is also probably some women who were counting on her to be there when they delivered. She was doing about 1-3 births a week when I had my dd. She is still allowed to practice in nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota, just South Dakota has problems (this is beautiful place but I swear, it is freaking backwards.
 

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That is an outrage! The community should be honoring this woman for all the great work she has done! When is the Witch Hunt going to end?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss">
 

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Can you explain? Is it illegal to use a midwife or have a homebirth in some states? Or do they have to be 'licenced' - and what does that mean?<br><br>
Sounds terrible, but I'd like to understand better. Thanks!
 

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It is illegal in many US states to have a homebirth with a midwife. In other states, you can have a homebirth, but only with doctors (IL). Or, you can have a homebirth, but only with a nurse-midwife.<br><br>
Many states are actively prosecuting midwives (IL, NY and VA are some of the worst) that attend homebirths.<br><br>
Very sad. I'll be praying for her!
 

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I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers. This is unjustice is so ugly.<br><br>
If she was living in one of the other states would that help the matter?
 

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What a shame! I did a search for a news article...this was from the spring but perhaps (probably) the same woman??<br><br><a href="http://www.pressanddakotan.com/stories/042403/new_20030424014.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.pressanddakotan.com/stori...30424014.shtml</a><br><br>
I like what one woman said at the end...We have the right to choose to carry a child or not, we should have the right to choose where that child is born. Absolutely ridiculous that S.D. is acting so backwards.<br><br>
If you haven't already, you might try writing a letter to your legislators, this is something they could change about their laws...
 

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That is just so .. i don't even have words to describe what I am feeling right now! HOW DARE THEY DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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It's so sad what is happening in several states. I'm so sorry that this is happening to her. It is really honorable and gutsy that she was still practicing even though she knew the law was against her. What happens if she can't pay the fines and bills?<br><br>
Don't you wish these people could understand what a blessing HB is to so many who choose it?
 

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And how SAFE it is? That midwives' statistics are better than doctors'? There is absolutely no justification for outlawing homebirth midwifery.
 

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It's so sad that they only bust midwives when they have a bad outcome, as if doctors never have a bad outcome. Remember the one where the woman did not consent to an episiotomy, the doc did one anyway, and the baby shot out so fast that it hit the floor and died? Zero consequences for him, because episiotomy is the "standard of care." I swear if I ever have a problem at any of my births, I will just tell the midwife and doula to get the heck out of there and pretend it was a precipitous labor.<br><br>
Missouri also refuses to license lay midwives, so I have to do dual prenatal care, so that if I have to transfer, the hospital will believe I intended to go in eventually.
 

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I jus want to point out that since 1984 she has lost just that one baby.<br><br>
South Dakota Safe Birth Options is our lobbying organization for our state and national poloticians. Before I concieved Lily it was legal to have a home birth but not to have anyone there, even family. In 2000 the right was won to have family there and they were insured that they would not be charged with practicing midwifery (<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">: gee thanks). The group above is also colecting funds and the lawyer has donated all of his time but this has been dragging on for years and he should be compensated some how of course.<br><br>
It was so wierd when I first moved here. i was 6 weeks pregnant and was so nieve as to look up Lay-midwife in thephone book :LOL I grew up near Dalklas where there is a mid-wife on every corner about and homebirth is generally accepted and safe and somewhat normal. Ok the normal side of weird. Fortunately I had found a CNM half way through my pregnancy but they managed to run her out of town prettty quickly. She went to Minneapolis where she is appreciated. That birth was fairly horrible (premature, control freak NICU and a midwife who was seen as enemy number one - I was one of her first few births) So I chose to have ahome birth for my next one. Through LLL I heard rumors of a home birth midwife but getting her number as like pulling teeth. I finally found soeone who was willling to take my number and have her call me. It was very stressful haveing to be so secretive and lie for the birth certificate and I there was a new midwife who I had gotton to know and so decided to go with her instead, especially since Judy could go to jail anytime and I would be stuck without a midwife. She was good though. A little laid back for me but very skilled. And never once practiced medicine!!! She was very clear n the beginning that if we needed medical transfer she couldn't stick around but in her heart she loves mom and babe to much to just up and leave. Like I said she got caught while trying to save the baby.<br><br>
SO, yes you can have a homebirth in south dakota but you can't have a skilled attendant there. they just assume no sane woman would ever give biirth unattended and no one should be forced to but that is exactly what they are doing. Absence of a midwife doesn't deter most of the women wanting a homebirth in this community. we are a small but hardy bunch <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> But, then if yousay you had a planned UC you are subject to being charged with homocide by neglegence if something should happen to your baby or you.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"> There is no law that says a midwife can't practice but they assume you fancy yourself a nurse or doctor if you catch baby's because only Dr.s can do that don't you know. Same ol' crap.<br><br>
This part of her legal journey was pretty cut and dry. She was ordered to cease and dissist on several occaisions. they did give her plenty of chances to comply with the law and she chose not to. I don't know if I would have done the same in her shoes. We are on the border of iowa, nebraska and MN and she is perfectly legal and welcomed in those states. then again it was never a matter of what she wanted to do but what she felt God was calling her to do and working in the community she lives. this state is racked with poverty and I know she was a total blessing to us.<br><br>
Marsden Wagner was going to testify on her behalf but the court wouldn't allow it. I guess in the end it wouldn't make any difference because it wasn't about if it is OK to be a midwife. it was about them having specifically told her she may not and she did it anyway.<br><br>
She has signed a very carefully worded agreement to never practice in the tate of SD again.<br><br>
I am just so worried about her being in jail. It is like watching your mom go to jail (she is the same age as my mom). It just seems wrong.
 

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This is an outrage. I'll keep her in my prayers.
 

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She will be in my thoughts and prayers. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/heartbeat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="heartbeat">
 

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That is so ridiculous!! If there is a bad outcome at the hospital do they send the dr to jail too? Umm, no. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><br><br>
This reminds me of that book called "Midwives" on the Oprah book club. Very simliar.
 

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THat is so so so infuriating. We, as women, need to raise hell over things like this.<br>
We lived in Illinois briefly where midwifery is illegal. We got out of there fast, lol, and I am so glad we got pregnant in Colorado and not there. I admire women who stand up to the law in having a homebirth.<br>
My head just spins when I think about this. The freaking men running these states are as ignorant as they are sexist. It is just ridicules...a witch hunt is exactly what it is. IT is outdated and outmoded and just insane!!!!!!!<br>
Breath, breath....really though, are there any movements I can join to make my voice heard? These laws have GOT to change. It is just insane. Look at the numbers. 1 death in all her years. No doctor has that record I am sure.<br>
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Citizens for Midwifery:<br><br><a href="http://www.cfmidwifery.org/" target="_blank">http://www.cfmidwifery.org/</a>
 
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