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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Calm</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/12165932"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">This is a relevant concern.<br>
I have to point out, even though it is irrelevant to the current issue, that some info from their site is totally false, and makes me wonder if they are worth their salt at all, such as:<br><a href="http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/threelacreview.html" target="_blank">http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com...lacreview.html</a><br>
When you make something more acidic, you LOWER the pH, not raise it. Good bacteria like the ACID environment, bad guys like alkaline – in general. So the lactic acid production is a GOOD thing. The large intestine varies in pH, from acidic to neutral.<br><br>
There are a few things to note about E Faecalis. The focus on the reaction to it here in Australia has been blown out of proportion. It is allowed as a probiotic, starter culture, in the Aust. Quarantine list.<br><br>
It is also part of the normal human gut flora, in the upper (alkaline) part of the digestive system. It's about balance, as always, adding more of what one has lost in favor of yeast.<br><br>
The Naked Scientists have a great forum and always have interesting reading that isn't from just your average Joe Bloggs. This is from an article on how the gut becomes colonised from birth and info on probiotics etc.<br><a href="http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/jemimastocktoncolumn1.htm/" target="_blank">The Naked Scientists:</a><br>
(note, the acidic top end of the small intestine is the duodenum, which comes straight from the stomach so hasn't gone alkaline yet, just for the pedantic reader <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">)<br><br>
E Faecalis is part of the normal furnishings in a newborn gut and has beneficial uses (depending on the strain):<br><br><a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/105/6/1943.full" target="_blank"><br>
Enterococcus faecalis from newborn babies regulate endogenous PPARγ activity and IL-10 levels in colonic epithelial cells</a><br>
What all that means in English is that it is a normal part of even a newborn gut, and is doing good things for immunity and development, including reducing the diarrhea that can occur from E Coli, and that it keeps things in balance. "Colonic epithelial cells" is referring to the colon wall.<br><br>
Now, having said all that, it is a good opportunity to mention something about probiotics, not limited to E Faecalis. And that is they <i>all</i> risk muting the immune response to them, sort of like “antibiotic resistance”. They are bacteria, after all. We have E Coli and a whole host of pretty nasty microorganisms residing normally in our gut. It isn't the organism that is the problem, it is when it gets away from the immune system, or when it overgrows. All of them have the potential to do that.<br><br>
I don't know if I've made anyone feel better or worse about probiotics with this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">.<br><br>
Really, the key word is <i>balance</i>. Making sure you eat, breathe and in other ways consume as many strains of the good guys as you can, and less of bad guys (eg, moldy bathrooms, infected water sources...). Cleansing, keeping the immune system up to speed and cleaning house thoroughly if ever you take or do something that knocks that out of balance. Like I've mentioned though, just the way Westerners eat and live can knock that in favor of yeast, that's why we treat it and not bacteria unless we have reason to treat bacteria.</div>
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I agree that alot of the info is questionable and much of it taken out of context...isolating a strain and giving it in large doses is NOT what we are talking about. However I do have to question the idea of giving it when someone is severely immunosuppressed AND has just gone through heavy rounds of antibiotics so that the terrain is totally compromised artificially. I have used it, and had no issues with it, but I was on a pretty intense protocol and it was not used on it's own.<br><br>
I have always done the oxygen supps to-long before they were selling them. I was doing them (as was dd) when we did threelac. So I don't think we need to freak over these studies...but I think it may deserve some more attention.<br><br>
I also have to say that I am TOTALLY sketched out by the fact that threelac feels it's okay to market the fact that you don't need to undergo dietary changes as part of their regimen. Um, yeah, just keep doing what you were doing that got you here in the first place...and when you get into trouble we'll be here! I don't like that one bit.
