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as an alternative to the apno you can try coconut oil topically which is antifungal. calendula succus can also be helpful. As with anything just cleanse the area before nursing. I would apply it right after a nursing session.
 

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Candex is known to be "gentler" b/c it doesn't have proteases. For me, very high counts of probiotics: homemade raw milk kefir, were essential. You know GSE kills good as well as bad? Be careful, always follow with a few hours later dose of probiotics if you want to use it.<br><br>
Firefaery, you mentioned colloidial silver before for yeast?
 

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I do know that about the GSE, but from what I read on enzymestuff, I thought an enzyme and antifungal were needed to really be effective (I have pro biogold probiotics as well that I take 3 times a day)<br><br>
I wonder... would the candex/candidase alone be effective?<br><br>
Maybe I will stop the GSE, now that symptoms seem to be improving and just stick with the candex/candidase for the next little while (and probiotics of course) to see if that works alone.<br><br>
Thanks for the reply's!!
 

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It can be very effective for topical yeast, but I wouldn't necessarily encourage people to take it internally....though many do.
 

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Interesting study on topical vitamin 12 for eczema:<br><br><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15149512?dopt=Abstract" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract</a>
 

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Nanethiel, How is the program going?<br><br>
Question: My almost 5 yr old isn't on a regular eating pattern. She'll have 2 or 3 snacks in between meals. Also, I don't have time in the morning to have her wait an hour for breakfast b/c she has to go to school. And at night it's sometimes less than 2 hrs between dinner & bed.<br><br>
What kind of program can I craft for her?<br><br>
Also, any ideas on a program for a 1 yr old who isn't eating much in the way of solids? I have nothing to hide things in.
 

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Our story recently...<br><br>
I didn't get the syntol. I started taking oil of oregano. I was also rubbing it on DS's feet and on his head where the fungus regrows regularly if it isn't treated. It seems to be working well. It is absorbed through the feet in the tiny bodies. Bit too strong to take orally, although it can be done (haven't seen it recommended though).<br><br>
However, we started solids recently and he had reactions to green beans and brown rice. His cheeks got reddened and a minor rough rash appeared on his cheek.<br><br>
Due to some fascinating research I unearthed, I put him on a special strain of bacteria - <b>Lactobacillus Rhamnosus GG</b> - and it clears the reaction. I am taking it also as breastfeeding mothers and pregnant women get best benefit for their children out of it. This bacteria creates anti-inflammatory factors in the breast milk. It also has been the subject of many probiotic trials on allergic reactions. It doesn't stay long in the gut, so it is something that needs to be taken regularly (such as in the glory old days when eczema was rare and we ate fermented food regularly before, during and after pregnancy).<br><br>
Studies are showing L. Rhamnosus to be the bacteria most responsible for preventing eczema reactions to foods and sealing the bowel wall, and producing good chemicals in breast milk. Here we have a product called Eczema Shield which is just this one bacterium, and it is what we are currently on. Studies have also shown that it is best taken on its own. Its most effective action is <i>prevention</i> of eczema. Older kids sometimes don't have as good a result as the unborn and infants. However, we are finding it great. It even seems to reverse an eczema reaction in two days. That could be my milk though, as I'm taking it too.<br><br>
It is also highly healing for the immune system. I mean, this little guy seems to be an amazing all rounder, and specific to the human gut.<br><br>
Some further info:<br><br><a href="http://www.cgstock.com/candida/lgg.html" target="_blank">http://www.cgstock.com/candida/lgg.html</a><br><br><a href="http://http//209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:0Bj0bbe1j5QJ:www.pasteur.fr/applications/euroconf/nutrition/23_Kalliomaki_abstract.pdf+lactobacillus+rhamnosus+eczema&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1" target="_blank">Probiotics in Atopic Disease</a><br><br>
Lactobacillus is abundant on sauerkraut and those kinds of fermented foods. I'm not sure if rhamnosus is there specifically.<br><br>
Gotta run, DS is waking.
 

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<a href="http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/probiotics/lactobacillusduo90.html" target="_blank">http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/...llusduo90.html</a> this is the prob we take with the l.rhamnosus and chickory/inulin-free. my ped is mentioned in the last paragraph before the ingredient list for helping them formulate and test it. bifidus will also be avail in about a month with no inulin/chickory.
 

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I noticed the strain of rhamnosus is not mentioned on that product. I have been cautioned to note the strains used, as they each perform differently. GG or LGG is the one (termed after the two males that discovered it, their last names both start with G).<br><br>
Are you allergic to inulin?
 

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hmmm, maybe i will call them tomorrow to find out which strain is/are used - i never even thought about it.<br>
my dd reacts to the klaire labs ther biotic probiotic the same way that she does when she reacts to allergens. those are free of our allergens supposedly, so my ped thought maybe it was related to the inulin. she does not react to these at all<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Nanethiel, How is the program going?<br><br>
Question: My almost 5 yr old isn't on a regular eating pattern. She'll have 2 or 3 snacks in between meals. Also, I don't have time in the morning to have her wait an hour for breakfast b/c she has to go to school. And at night it's sometimes less than 2 hrs between dinner & bed.<br><br>
What kind of program can I craft for her?<br><br>
Also, any ideas on a program for a 1 yr old who isn't eating much in the way of solids? I have nothing to hide things in.</div>
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My 6 yo daughter is taking Floradix multi liquid for kids in the morning, and can swallow pills now, either with water (if the pill is med sized) or with bread (if the pill is large). So she also has her probiotic in a capsule - I fill it each dose for her as she hates the taste and it is a powder I got for my infant son. I put his in a tsp of my milk, twice a day whenever I remember. I'm not very organised so it's very hodge podge around here. I figure if the day has passed and we all got our various doses, I did well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I wouldn't worry about spaces between meals, unless the product was REALLY specific about that. Just dose whenever you can.<br><br>
For a 1 year old, probiotics are best in milk, but other things would depend on what they are. You can let the probiotics culture in the milk for a few hours apparently also, although I haven't done that yet.<br><br>
There are many ways of cleansing to choose from. It would depend on what you prefer - quick and harsh-ish or slow and gentle or something in the middle. I'm a fast and nasty kinda gal. I don't have the patience for months of waiting and dosing. But that method can horrify another mother so I think the program you choose would depend on that. You can kill yeast with certain probiotics, anti-fungals, herbs/oils or enzymes. And if you are like me, you do all of them and hope you and your family don't drop dead from die off. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> We survived with nary a scar, for what that's worth.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My 6 yo daughter is taking Floradix multi liquid for kids in the morning, and can swallow pills now, either with water (if the pill is med sized) or with bread (if the pill is large). So she also has her probiotic in a capsule - I fill it each dose for her as she hates the taste and it is a powder I got for my infant son. I put his in a tsp of my milk, twice a day whenever I remember. I'm not very organised so it's very hodge podge around here. I figure if the day has passed and we all got our various doses, I did well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I wouldn't worry about spaces between meals, unless the product was REALLY specific about that. Just dose whenever you can.<br><br>
For a 1 year old, probiotics are best in milk, but other things would depend on what they are. You can let the probiotics culture in the milk for a few hours apparently also, although I haven't done that yet.<br><br>
There are many ways of cleansing to choose from. It would depend on what you prefer - quick and harsh-ish or slow and gentle or something in the middle. I'm a fast and nasty kinda gal. I don't have the patience for months of waiting and dosing. But that method can horrify another mother so I think the program you choose would depend on that. You can kill yeast with certain probiotics, anti-fungals, herbs/oils or enzymes. And if you are like me, you do all of them and hope you and your family don't drop dead from die off. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> We survived with nary a scar, for what that's worth.</div>
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can you give a quick run-down of your protocol? i'm tired of feeling like crap all the time (fibromyalgia).<br><br>
thanks!
 

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I'm formulating a formal one, but don't have it ready yet.<br><br>
I can tell you what I did and am doing though. BACKGROUND: At 2 months of age, candida starting infesting my son and turning fungal. My son had eczema on his face, legs and chest. He also had diarrhea that was often green and explosive. He had sebhorreic dermatitis on his scalp, which was the worst part of his condition - soooo so itchy and oozing and horrible (this was after he first got cradle cap at 2 months old), it spread to his forehead. All this happened at the same 2 month period as the eczema. It was pretty obvious the candida was taking over at this stage. He also acquired a stuffy nose whenever he tried to sleep.<br><br>
** I wanted to be "pure, gentle and safe" at first. So I picked herbs and probiotics that wouldn't mess us up. I learned pretty fast I wasn't dealing with an easy foe.<br><br>
** I first did <b>Pau D'arco</b> (capsules of dried herb) and <b>digestive enzymes</b>. I did this for a couple of weeks with nothing noticeable in the way of symptoms or relief. I gave nothing to my son except infant probiotics. The probiotics were less than useless.<br><br>
** To heck with moderation, I then did a week of <b>nystatin</b> (in the form of Nilstat capsules), at least 500000IU a day. This gave me wicked die off symptoms including: diarrhea, stomach pain, headache and fogginess, vagueness, fatigue, mood swings and aggression and a hangover feeling. I gave my son liquid Nilstat, 50000IU a day for two days and then a 100000IU dose on the third day that caused BIG symptoms.<br><i><br>
~~ if I could do this over, I would use probiotics at the same time. At the time though, I just used nystatin. I believe probiotics would have sped the process up immensely as the nystatin killed off all that yeast but they left spaces that I should have filled with good bacteria.</i><br><br><i>~~ the day after the bad die off, my son woke with gorgeous, clear skin. It was like a miracle. However, due to the die off my son had, I stopped the nystatin. As I hadn't given him probiotics (a lesson I learned), the yeast grew back in his gut and his skin flared again. I went on a very strict elimination diet. This diet lasted a month and I didn't take anything for fear of causing a reaction. I finally hit base line with him while eating nothing but chicken and rice and canola oil.</i><br><br>
** We went to a <b>NAET</b> specialist who cleared all his allergies over a three week period, 7 allergies a week.<br><br><i>~~ Each week I was able to add some more of those cleared foods into my diet and he didn't react. However, they didn't treat his gut/candida and didn't even seem concerned when I repeatedly brought it up with them. My concern was that regardless of how he reacted now he was treated, he would still form allergies to new things and even things he was treated for if the CAUSE was not addressed - his gut.<br><br>
~~ I realised it was up to me, and although grateful his eczema was under control, his scalp was treated by me, not them, as it was NOT an allergic reaction, it was a fungal condition. I tried mother nature's way, and used apple cider vinegar and tea tree oil on his scalp. It helped quite a bit, but was tedious, annoying, smelly and he cried. So again, I ditched that and went mainstream... I treated him with a simple anti-dandruff shampoo every other day that contains zinc pyrithione 1% - an antifungal. The fact that after the first wash it was all but gone reaffirmed I was on the right track. The next step was to stop the fight going on on his scalp, which was caused by the yeast in his gut triggering the immune system to fight relatively harmless yeast on the skin.</i><br><br>
** Back to the fight at hand, I got some <b>Threelac</b>. I took 3 sachets a day and gave him half a sachet a day mixed in with his other probiotics.<br><br>
** I got <b>Oxygen Elements</b> and usually forgot to take this. Although when I remembered, I noticed it made me feel pretty good, and caused loose poos. I gave 1 to 2 drops to my son when I remembered.<br><br><i>~~ two weeks on just those two things, and I was having more die off symptoms, but at the same time, feeling better than I had felt since I was a child. My poos were regular, a little too loose and frequent but I had constipation for 15 years so this was a welcome change. My son's poos were gorgeous! Bright breast-fed orange, smelling like buttermilk, no mucus, no green. His butt hole had no flecks of white creamy stuff anymore, and was not ringed in redness. His armpit did not get inflamed red patches anymore. His face was creamy and shiny. His scalp was still itchy on occasion but was clear of any sign of dermatitis. He was happier and more alert, less like he was "distracted" by something within.</i><br><i><br>
~~ I finished the Threelac and I would come to learn you can't "stop" treating yeast, not this early in the piece without maintenance protocol in place. I started him on solids and lo and behold, his face had a slight reaction.</i><br><br>
** So we started on <b>oregano oil</b>. I massaged a couple of drops into his feet and I put several drops into capsules for myself, daily, and when I was feeling brave, I just dropped it right into my mouth. It was spicy as f***, burned a bit, but left my mouth feeling clean and my throat clear. This also caused a few nights of sore throat as I killed off candida in my upper respiratory tract. I put a drop into some water, swished it around and then pulled a ml into a syringe for my son. He winced, I laughed, that was that.<br><br>
** I got <b>L. Rhamnosus</b> and put us both on that each day. It seemed to clear his inflammation nicely.<br><br>
** now, we are on <b>nystatin</b> again also.<br><br><i>~~ I will not rest until all the yeast is under control and his skin does not react to anything. Compared to where we were we are very blessed. I find it hard to read the allergy forum without wincing these days, as I remember being there in that hell. But I am a perfectionist and my son deserves perfect health. Yeast is a hardy organism, it will take more effort to defeat it and even more effort to keep it from ever infesting again, much like anyone has to do. I'm sure people would argue this but I firmly believe I have proven that yeast causes allergies, particularly eczema.</i><br><br>
When I'm not treating for yeast, he reacts. When I treat yeast, he is healthy. Same with myself. But the important thing is to TREAT IT HARD. Don't pussy foot around, you <i><b>will not win</b></i> that way. People tell me "I tried a yeast kill but I've still got xyz issues and my child still has allergies" and I ask what they did and honestly, it is usually so mild as to be a joke. Such as, "oh, we went on kefir" or some other small token of an attempt to beat yeast.<br><br>
(note: sometimes those things actually work! I'm not totally disparaging them, BUT, mostly they don't, and only serve to disillusion the sufferer)<br><br>
Hence, I keep going on these threads and yelling NYSTATIN and THREELAC cos by George, ya gotta KILL the basta... err, bad guys. Ehem. If you don't feel like absolute crap when doing it, you're not doing it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Try all the heavy duty stuff is my advice, the oils, the meds, throw in enzymes for the antifungal resistant strains, be sure to take GOOD QUALITY bacteria, lactos and bifidos, especially lactobacillus rhamnosus GG. Eat fermented goods, but in my opinion, use that as maintenance, use it to keep healthy; don't try to use it to <i>get</i> healthy, cos candida will laugh in your face.<br><br>
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I don't think I ever replied to this thread.<br><br>
DD1 has severe nut allergy (treenuts). She was born via c/s, induction, pitocin, fever during labor treated w/abx (keflex I think). I realized I had ductal thrush about 6 weeks pp - she didn't have oral signs of thrush though. We were treated with one month of diflucan (sp?) She had lots of gas until about 2-3 months when we realized she had dairy allergy & I cut that out of my diet for nursing & her stomach issues cleared up. I gave her dairy based formula once sometime around 6-8 weeks which gave her bad gas. She was occasionally given soy formula occasionally between 5-10 months & then weened at 10 months & moved to full time soy formula.<br><br>
DD2 is just over 1 year old, born via c/s, no known allergies & hasn't shown any of those early signs of allergy. I was given keflex again in the hospital. With her, I took probiotics at the end of pregnancy & was diligent taking them those first 6 weeks. Never had thrush with her. She is now on solids & has no reactions to dairy. I did not supplement with formula at all & she was ebf (no solids) until 7 months. Still bf at 16 months & plan to continue until 2 years old or longer.<br><br>
My sister's son has severe nut allergies & has progressed to other food allergies as he gets older. He was born vaginally, but she was given IV antibiotics for group b strep. He had lots of spit up & reflux - I don't recall if he was medicated for the reflux. She struggled with oral & nipple thrush with him. Don't know if he had any allergies while bf, none of us knew that was a possibility at the time.
 

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I haven't read all of this thread and I'm just jumping in here but I noticed that my baby reacted to a lot of foods after my c/s even when I didn't have any antibiotics. I had a lot of organ distress after the anesthesia (especially after the general). I started to clean up my gall bladder, liver and appendix and noticed that as those organs started functioning, my baby stopped having trouble. Perhaps it was a coincidence that the same things I used on my other organs healed my gut but I thought it was interesting. I am wondering if it is gut healing or organ healing or maybe both... any thoughts?
 

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Calm - why did you decide not to do Threelac again? instead of Nystatin?<br><br>
It has been about a month of taking enzymes and a couple of weeks with Fivelac and Oxygen Elements.<br><br>
I have average to mild headaches about 70% of the time, but that's about it for me. I have yeast in my breasts, sometimes it is still bothering me.<br>
DS2 is a bit more cranky, but he is still sensitive to citrus, so I know the citrus in Fivelac is bothering him a bit - just very, very mild excema and a couple of spots on his face.<br>
We pulled the yeast treatment on my DS1 because we are seeing if Trienza will help him with digesting dairy. It is hard to tell if his behavior issues are allergy or yeast related.<br><br>
Although we are far from being there yet, how do you decide when you are yeast free. Excema is directly related to foods, not yeast. What kind of maintenance program would someone suggest.<br><br>
I have just begun to try to give enzymes to my boys between meals, as a yeast fighter, but it is hard to find times when their stomachs are empty.<br><br>
I am trying water kefir,<br>
we are doing vit C, CLO, bone broth<br><br>
any other suggestions?
 

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Well, this is not entirely accurate. Eczema is a result of stress on the liver which can be caused by food allergies amongst other things. Anything that is present or continuously introduced into the bloodstream at a faster rate than the liver can clear it can be the culprit. It could also be an issue of a low functioning liver. Eczema is often seen with food allergies and yeast but the cause is really more about toxins in the bloodstream and/or the lack of ability of the body to detoxify properly.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, this is not entirely accurate. Eczema is a result of stress on the liver which can be caused by food allergies amongst other things. Anything that is present or continuously introduced into the bloodstream at a faster rate than the liver can clear it can be the culprit. It could also be an issue of a low functioning liver. Eczema is often seen with food allergies and yeast but the cause is really more about toxins in the bloodstream and/or the lack of ability of the body to detoxify properly.</div>
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FF, what do you think of taking Milk Thistle for liver support? Do you know if it's safe for bfing?
 

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Both DD's were born via c/s. DD1 has dairy allergies manifesting in eczema. Is also allergic to quite a few non-food things.
 
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