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<div style="font-style:italic;">DD (4yo) passed the spit test with flying colors. However, she has food intolerances and seasonal allergies, as well as an asthmatic cough (we're thinking herbs to help this). She restricts dairy and gluten, but 'cheats' every few days for a treat. DD also has irritability. We see someone (who my DH refers to as 'our faith healer') for chranio-sacral...and this helps her behavior issues a ton. She also takes fish oil and probiotics. When her allergies are really bad, she take Zyrtec.</div>
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Irritability can be a sign of food intolerance. I agree with the others -- cheating every few days is not helping your DD's situation. If you take some of the triggers out of her "allergy barrel", the it's possible that her immune system will have a chance to fend off the ones that are left. But if she's got environmental and food triggers, and she's getting them both, then her "barrel" is overflowing and her body can't heal itself. I've taken out foods over and over again with DS (as we find out new triggers). I tell him if he ever wants a chance to eat everything again, that he has to stick to the diet, and he does (unless we get contaminated somehow). He has his own lunch at school every day, he has snacks for when there's a special occasion at school. His friends' parents know not to feed him without asking first. He's 8yo and he knows his safe food list. My DD, who is 3.5 yo, also knows her food list, and will not eat a food that she's not allowed to (in the last 6 months, she's probably stolen food once -- which was last week -- a chocolate chip cookie).<br><br>
I also second the coconut milk yogurt idea. It's delicious. It can be used in baked goods, you can make it into a sweet or savory dip, you can use it as a base for smoothies, etc. My DD loves it. We can also have the So Decadent coconut milk ice cream (sweetened with agave). There are lots of foods that she CAN have. You need to make that clear to her.
 

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we started eliminating my dd's allergies when she was 3 and i always emphasized, you dont want to get diarea in school or wet the bed right? this was neccesary in the beginning. Now her teachers think she is too like freaked out not to eat an allergin b/c they gave her the wrong bread one day and she brushed the crumbs off her plate. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> i was so proud.<br><br><br>
thanks for all the advice everyone, esp Pat. Why are you not so into GSE? I am really only using it over other things b/c I had it in the house. And I am taking my probiotics seperately from it so I am glad that is not a worry.<br><br>
I am ordering a juicer, i have been craving raw juiced things. it is a gift from my mom so I have no reason not to. (Except for lack of space, and one more thing to wash <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">).
 

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Not WuWei, but I don't love GSE as it's not a natural product. There are better ways in my book to deal with yeast. It has been shown that the reason GSE works isn't because of the GSE, it's due to the chemical preservatives in it. Take those out and GSE doesn't make a dent. So, while others may use it and not have an issue *I* just prefer not to.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Not WuWei, but I don't love GSE as it's not a natural product. There are better ways in my book to deal with yeast. It has been shown that the reason GSE works isn't because of the GSE, it's due to the chemical preservatives in it. Take those out and GSE doesn't make a dent. So, while others may use it and not have an issue *I* just prefer not to.</div>
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Ewe, gross.<br><br>
So this post begs the question, what ways do *you* think are better to deal with yeast?
 

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DS and I definitely have some yeast busting to do. I'm thinking of going on Threelac after the holidays, and using oregano oil for DS on his feet.<br><br>
I'm hesitant to take OoO myself as DS is nursing, but see that folks give it to nurslings. What's the difference? Could I take it, too?<br></div>
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OoO can diminish supply. IF you are nursing you run the risk of a significant drop in your breastmilk. That's the big issue.<br><br>
We are ultra sensitive and I have a low supply to begin with so while I love OoO in theory I do not use it and won't until we are done nursing. HTH.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Not WuWei, but I don't love GSE as it's not a natural product. There are better ways in my book to deal with yeast. It has been shown that the reason GSE works isn't because of the GSE, it's due to the chemical preservatives in it. Take those out and GSE doesn't make a dent. So, while others may use it and not have an issue *I* just prefer not to.</div>
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I agree with this, but I've heard this refuted also. It is a processed product, that we can agree on. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
I'm a whole foods advocate.<br><br>
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So this post begs the question, what ways do *you* think are better to deal with yeast?</div>
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Probiotics. Probiotics. Probiotics through whole foods. Cultured and fermented foods.<br><br>
And natural antiparasitics and natural antibacterials, such as garlic, black walnut hulls, wormwood, clove, raw pumpkin seeds, fennel, thyme, sage, goldenseal, oregano, water, salt, essential oils: cinnamon, lemongrass, thyme, peppermint, lavender, coriander; olive leaf extracts, vit C, onion, allspice, tarragon, cumin; capsicums, including chilies and other hot peppers; black and white pepper, ginger, anise seed, celery seed, and the juices of lemons and limes; cranberries, myrrh, turmeric, echinacea, l<span style="font-family:Arial;">icorice</span> root, <span style="font-family:Arial;">Pau d'arco,</span> rosemary, basil, mint, anise, dandelion, honey, probiotics, etc. are ubiquitous.<br><br><br>
HTH, Pat
 

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I gotta ask how do you intake the hulls of black walnuts? We eat copious amount of the nuts, but I don't have a clue what to do with the husks.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I gotta ask how do you intake the hulls of black walnuts? We eat copious amount of the nuts, but I don't have a clue what to do with the husks.</div>
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They put them in capsule form. <a href="http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/parasites/default.asp" target="_blank">http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/parasites/default.asp</a><br><br>
ETA: Caution, some of the herbs affect nursing and have toxic levels to be aware of.<br><br>
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Ok, I'm going to work on the 'cheating' issue with DD, DH, and my parents over this long weekend (these are her primary caretakers, beyond school...which isn't a problem). I think DH (and possibly DD) is starting to get it...that things can hurt her even if they don't cause immediate pain.<br><br>
I'm all over the coconut milk ice cream. That stuff rocks!<br><br>
FF, thanks for answering my OoO question. I think once we're on a better cash cycle, and I'm not being so drained by work and the holidays, I'll buy and use the OoO for DS. I'm undecided about me...I've always been an over supply gal, so it mostly whether or not it would interfere negatively with the Threelac.<br><br>
Thanks all!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Probiotics. Probiotics. Probiotics through whole foods. Cultured and fermented foods.<br><br>
And natural antiparasitics and natural antibacterials, such as garlic, black walnut hulls, wormwood, clove, raw pumpkin seeds, fennel, thyme, sage, goldenseal, oregano, water, salt, essential oils: cinnamon, lemongrass, thyme, peppermint, lavender, coriander; olive leaf extracts, vit C, onion, allspice, tarragon, cumin; capsicums, including chilies and other hot peppers; black and white pepper, ginger, anise seed, celery seed, and the juices of lemons and limes; cranberries, myrrh, turmeric, echinacea, l<span style="font-family:Arial;">icorice</span> root, <span style="font-family:Arial;">Pau d'arco,</span> rosemary, basil, mint, anise, dandelion, honey, probiotics, etc. are ubiquitous.<br><br><br>
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Okay, so, do you think that we sometimes need to take these things in forms of tinctures and teas and supplements? Or do you mean we should just get most of it through food?<br><br>
How do you know what to try, or do you just try one, then another? I have heard that you should rotate them.
 

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Have you ever seen someone cook when what they are making is part of their culture? When they are making a dish passed down through their family that is rich in history? It has a whole different energy and feeling to it. They put themselves into the recipe and ever aspect, from the preparation, to the creation, to the sharing is magical. That's what needs to happen.<br><br>
This is where kitchen witchery to some extent enters into the picture. Dishes were said to have properties and powers. Now, they may not have said, "this dish is full of oregano and garlic and therefore antifungal" but they MAY have talked about it being healing and nourishing-which of course it would be! Eating traditionally in many ways (for those lucky to have done it their whole lives) created health.<br><br>
*I* think it's better to take them in food and in traditional cooking they would be rotated naturally as different dishes are prepared, but they wouldn't all be used. Does that make sense? The spices/foods that would have been used would have been best suited to the issues of that particular region. *I* think the best bet is to use local foods and apply ancient wisdom.<br><br>
I also wanted to say (in the spirit of ancient wisdom-and bear with me those who have heard me say it before) that an entirely different chemical cascade happens when you are in gratitude when you eat. There are many that theorize that our issues aren't as much about the lack of nutrients in the processed food we eat as they are about the lack of connection with which we eat it. When you eat with loved ones, together in appreciation for the food and with a connection to how it was gathered (from the farm-CSA's, favorite stores even) prepared (from scratch-with love!) you actually increase oxytocin production. This in turn creates a whole biochemical cascade that allows food to be digested more easily and effectively. That will not be the case if we eat in a rush, on the go, not liking the food or having negative emotions around it. All the more reason to appreciate what you have, break bread with friends and focus on the wonderful things you are able to eat! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Okay, so, do you think that we sometimes need to take these things in forms of tinctures and teas and supplements? Or do you mean we should just get most of it through food?<br><br>
How do you know what to try, or do you just try one, then another? I have heard that you should rotate them.</div>
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I believe that when we eat a varied and whole foods diet, that we will enjoy health. So, we just add these different herbs, spices, teas, and foods into our food preparations, normally. Concurrently, we add varied whole food probiotic sources with cultured and fermented foods. The body is amazing!!<br><br>
I was sitting in the sun one day while eating, and felt awed that our body takes a whole food and converts it to energy and health!! That awe and trust in the <b>ability</b> of the body, is more practical than dissecting which amounts of which herbs to include on which days, imo.<br><br>
The worry and dis-ease is worse for the body (cortisol dumping, adrenal fatigue inducing, hormone imbalancing, STRESS, etc.), than eating the "wrong" thing, I believe. I'm generally not a "moderation" gal. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> But, I do believe that joyfully consuming our food leads to a healthier and happier life. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><br><br>
Spice it up! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Eat">:<br><br><br>
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Okay, ladies, thanks! You see, this is all what makes sense to me, I just need to hash it out with like-minded folks. I'm a bit of an external processor. So I am sure I will be asking again. Ha!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">come look, see if it fits you. i'd love some test subjects with children and "allergies".<br><a href="http://underanaustraliansun.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html#7008070136898079079" target="_blank"><br>
My blog on my story so far and CSS</a></div>
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Going back to the first post--I haven't had a c-section yet, but my daughter, adopted from Vietnam, has multiple food allergies (dairy, wheat, egg, almond, banana, & blueberries), and she was not born by c-section. In fact, she was likely born intervention free, at home.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Going back to the first post--I haven't had a c-section yet, but my daughter, adopted from Vietnam, has multiple food allergies (dairy, wheat, egg, almond, banana, & blueberries), and she was not born by c-section. In fact, she was likely born intervention free, at home.</div>
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Mine too. (Not adopted, but born intervention free at home.)
 

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Yes, yes, yes, thank you also for sharing the reminder about the energy of our food. I have a friend whose mom is 80, and I could not believe she was that age. She seems so young, active, and full of life. I take care of my 82 year old grandmother, who has diabetes, and early Alzheimer's, and seems so tiny and frail. There is such a huge difference in the two women.<br><br>
I asked my friend, what's her secret? He said well, it's probably both the food and the genes. She is French, Mediterranean, and so lots of garlic, fish, local foods.<br><br>
My grandmother has never been overweight a day in her life, but she has always had a high-carb diet, a big sweet tooth. She always had Little Debbies and all kinds of cookies around. She never had a weight problem, yet she still became diabetic. And I believe the blood sugar issues led to the dementia symptoms, because they are worse when the blood sugar is not stable. Rambling now, but thanks for the reminder that food is healing.<br><br>
Also, I have a friend who knows a very wise woman who says that she can just lay down on the earth among the black walnut hulls, to be regularly cleansed of the parasites. So, she is just among their energy.
 

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kjbrown, how are you doing?<br><br>
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Just a quickie, as I haven't had time to post to this thread yet. I noticed after my son had a reaction recently (to me drinking champagne) that I gave him the L. Rhamnosus GG - pure, without any other probiotics. This has been shown to be the only way it works effectively, in isolation. Don't know why, just know that's how it works. So we only take that when we take it and it's brilliant. Anyway, so I gave it to him for three days, with no result. Starting to freak out, I took it myself, and within hours after his feed (getting the benefit from me taking it), his skin cleared. Completely.<br><br>
So I am almost decided that the maximum benefit from L. Rham is from the mother's milk, and this may be why they say the mother has to take it during pregnancy and feeding.<br><br>
I hadn't known until this experiment because I always took it when he did.<br><br>
Pat will be happy to know that we bought some kefir. I want to know if I can culture it in oat milk as successfully as dairy milk. I know there is a massive thread here, but to be honest, I won't be reading it any time soon, I don't have the time as those threads take pages just to get to the answer you need. I'll try a website, too.
 

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