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I think there were a couple of homebirths upthread. But, it is an interesting premise to consider, no "foreign" bacteria/antibacterials introduced into the birthing process (by an outside midwife), and the microbial benefits to baby...<br><br><br>
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I was interested in knowing that too, still am (UCs). but we have to keep in mind that pregnancy itself causes thrush/yeast - something I totally forgot initially. I guess you'd have to be superwoman to avoid it, or live in the Amazon all healthy like. I think it's about reducing the odds more than avoiding it. many c-sections don't get the issues, but those WITH the problems, I'd <i>bet</i> they were yeasty, regardless of the cause of that yeast.<br><br>
C-sections that repopulate well in the gut don't negate my theory.<br><br><b>What will negate it is an allergic child that was born to a <i>provably</i> non-yeasty mother and the baby was <i>not</i> exposed to steroids or antibiotics.</b>
 

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We had a natural, quick homebirth, no antibiotics in the last 20 or so years, never eat sugar, etc. and my boy is/was reacting to almost *everything* I eat/ate.<br><br>
So, I don't know, but I don't think it's as simple as "due to lack coming through the birth canal"..<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;"><b>What will negate it is an allergic child that was born to a <i>provably</i> non-yeasty mother and the baby was <i>not</i> exposed to steroids or antibiotics.</b></div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Jane (rominick), have you tried nystatin? If you take a look at this pdf (you can read the article as it is, but I recommend opening it as a pdf via the right hand menu so you can see the tables and results easier):<br><a href="http://http//fampra.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/18/3/258" target="_blank">Effectiveness of nystatin in polysymptomatic patients. A randomized, double-blind trial with nystatin versus placebo in general practice</a><br><br>
I don't think that link is working, try it this way:<br><br><a href="http://fampra.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/18/3/258" target="_blank">http://fampra.oxfordjournals.org/cgi.../full/18/3/258</a><br><br>
Also, the diet I recommend isn't the typical one on some levels. The BIG no no's on the diet I follow are:<br>
No malt and malt derivatives (eg, barley malt in cereals, maltodextrin, etc)<br>
No vinegar (including ketchup and other things <i>with</i> vinegar)<br>
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Thanks for this! I just started Nystatin 3 days ago and had some rough die off. I have been off of gluten and dairy for a year now in addition to a lot of other foods. They aggravate my autoimmune issues, so easy enough to not eat them anymore. I was on SCD and am not following most of the Body Ecology (no vinegar) and still not feeling so great. I did take Threelac about 6 months ago, and started feeling really good after a couple of weeks. However, I was not sure if it was that or the Pekana homeopathic drops I was on at the time. Maybe I will try the Threelac again. I am currently taking Pharmax Mindlinx (only because the kids do) and also take VRP Kandidaplex. I have been taking Candex for about 3 months and also take a No-Fenol along with my Nystatin dose. All this and still breastfeeding. I have been hoping that is is all OK, but figure ds needs a bit of treatment as well.<br><br>
Do you think if I take the Threelac AND the Nystatin, I might get somewhere? Is it too much while nursing? Also starting the coconut kefir later this week to see if that helps.<br><br>
Thanks!<br>
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This is the problem. First, the woman would have to be tested before pregnancy, during and after. And there is no reliable way to test for this. So I'll have to wait to test my theory in the future when it is reliably tested and can actually prove a woman did not expose her child to thrush/yeast/fungus/candida OR parasites actually, at any time during gestation, birth and breastfeeding.<br><br>
Have you ever had steroids, corticosteroids, or taken the birth control pill, esp in the last 5 years, esp esp the last year?<br><br>
Do you eat vinegar and products containing malt?<br><br>
Have you been pregnant - hehe, funny one - but this alone causes yeast overgrowth due to the increase in progesterone which helps yeast grow.<br><br>
Has your child had any of those things, such as antibiotics, since birth?<br><br>
Coming through the birth canal has shown to be the best way to pass good flora balance to newborns, but it has to be a canal free of thrush/yeast overgrowth. Farm living or owning a pet also increases the risk of parasites in the baby by a major proportion. Parasites <i>really</i> mess up the gut wall when they hook into it.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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If you felt better on Threelac before, it's worth another shot to see if that was the reason.<br><br>
My skin is amazing on Threelac, which I'm on right now. I've chopped ten years off my face and all the little tiny forehead bumps I had just disappeared. I had another bout of shocking die off this week though, they are stubborn sods.<br><br>
You <i>could</i> take both nystatin and Threelac, if you can handle the die off. I'd also furnish the gut with extra probiotics, as well as the two that stick in threelac. Have you tried the no malt, no vinegar thing recently?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I was on SCD and am not following most of the Body Ecology (no vinegar) and still not feeling so great.</div>
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Meant to say "am NOW following the Body Ecology diet" instead of "not."<br>
Sorry!<br><br>
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Oh, gotcha. So no vinegar and still no good?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My skin is amazing on Threelac, which I'm on right now. I've chopped ten years off my face and all the little tiny forehead bumps I had just disappeared. I had another bout of shocking die off this week though, they are stubborn sods.<br><br>
You <i>could</i> take both nystatin and Threelac, if you can handle the die off. I'd also furnish the gut with extra probiotics, as well as the two that stick in threelac. Have you tried the no malt, no vinegar thing recently?</div>
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I am going to ramp up on the Threelac just to get nice skin, ha ha! The more I hear about it, the more I am starting to think that WAS the reason I was feeling better on it. I am glad to hear that it is working so well for you!<br><br>
I haven't had vinegar in over 3 months now and no malt in over a year. I have subbed lemon juice for anything that I would have used vinegar. I take my food with me if I do go anywhere. I eat mostly just vegetables, nuts and chicken or turkey. The only grain I do every few days is quinoa. I think I just really have it bad and it was probably the antibiotics/steroids that I had with the last child birth a year and a half ago that sent me over the Candida edge to autoimmune stuff.<br><br>
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We use vinegar (only acv)quite a bit because we can't have citrus or tomatoes. We use a large Bragg's bottle probably every 4 months. I use it as my acid for cooking and as a reaction for baking. Does anyone have any suggestions for both jobs? I was thinking that tamarind would work for some tanginess in food when necessary. I am familiar with it, but have never used it. Are there any fruit juices that are high in acid that might work to help baking soda/powder work? I want to drop apple cider vinegar for a while, but I want to be prepared first.<br><br>
I am considering NAET at home for citrus but haven't tried it yet. I guess I need to buy a lemon for that. mmmmm lemon.
 

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Never had any steroids/corticosteroids. I did take the birth control pill from 18 to (I think) 23. That would be 10 years ago - I'm 33 now.<br><br>
No vinegar, no malt. I've been on the TED for the last 8 and something months.<br><br>
Yes, I've been pregnant recently - he's 9 months 2 weeks old.<br><br>
No, he has not had any antibiotics or steroids, or any type of medication except an herbal supplement (chamomile, lemon balm, catnip) and Camilia Teething Homeopathic. No vaccinations.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Have you ever had steroids, corticosteroids, or taken the birth control pill, esp in the last 5 years, esp esp the last year?<br><br>
Do you eat vinegar and products containing malt?<br><br>
Have you been pregnant - hehe, funny one - but this alone causes yeast overgrowth due to the increase in progesterone which helps yeast grow.<br><br>
Has your child had any of those things, such as antibiotics, since birth?</div>
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You know, despite not showing any obvious signs of yeast overgrowth, I'm going to give it a shot. I have tried everything else and I am not coping well anymore at all (having been on TED for almost 9 months).
 

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I'm in the same boat, except ds is 1. I'm going to give it a try too.
 

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My MIL is a ND, so I asked her about it. She does not think that it kills the good guys, too.<br><br>
I will use OoO. I can't do the Nystatin. I have a very sensitive liver, and according to her the Nystatin could do more damage to my liver. So, OoO and Pau D'arco it is for now. Have to think about it some more and come up with a more specific plan.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">What does everyone think of oil of oregano?? Calm mentioned that she wasn't sure if it knocked out the good guys too, that is concerning. Maybe we should just use nystatin</div>
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Let me know what you plan is. I'm trying no fenol now & was thinking of candidase next. But maybe OoO. Are you going to give to the baby too?
 

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I'm in the same boat too. Have you guys looked at the <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=921487" target="_blank">Healing the Gut tribe</a>? We've been talking about this stuff the last couple days...<br><br>
I just tried Candex with really bad results. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I'm not sure where to go now with my healing...
 

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I can certainly share once I know what I'm exactly doing. No, I don't plan on giving OoO to my son - I haven't done any research on it yet, but I feel it's way too strong for a babe.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Let me know what you plan is. I'm trying no fenol now & was thinking of candidase next. But maybe OoO. Are you going to give to the baby too?</div>
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Ack, sorry you had bad results. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Okay, I will hop on over there and check it out. Thanks! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm in the same boat too. Have you guys looked at the <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=921487" target="_blank">Healing the Gut tribe</a>? We've been talking about this stuff the last couple days...<br><br>
I just tried Candex with really bad results. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I'm not sure where to go now with my healing...</div>
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Get the ND to double check the nystatin. The only damage it can do to your liver is the die off, which any anti-parasitic/anti-yeast will do anyway. It cannot cross membranes, ie, isn't absorbed. Tell me how the OoO goes as I have considered it many times.<br><br>
Jane, what autoimmune problems do you have, if you don't mind me asking?<br><br>
Nathenial, I'd love to know how your results come out. What symptoms does your son have when he reacts? Is it skin, digestive, or a mixture of a few things?<br><br>
Gotta run, baby awake...
 

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Still not officially dx, but ANA is high at 1:640 (ref 1:40). I have all the symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis, but may be lupus or similar. I go to the doctor today to see what else to do. This all started about 3 months after my last child was born (after all the antibiotics for C/S, steroid shots for premature labor and more antibiotics for incision infection). I haven't done a lot of testing since I won't take the traditional medication anyway. I have controlled it mostly with diet for now.<br><br>
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Ok, I found these sites on treating babies directly with threelac and oxygen elements. I am NOT advocating or recommending it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Just so's we're clear. But for those who are interested, as I was, in finding out if it can be done, here are a couple of links:<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Month 1 – 1/8 tsp per day of ThreeLac<br>
Month 2- ¼ tsp per day of ThreeLac<br>
Month 3 – 1/8 tsp per day of ThreeLac<br>
Month 4 – off the product if the symptoms are gone<br><br>
Oxygen Elements Max: Take 1 drop for every 10 pounds of body weight once a day. After two weeks, children over the age of 12 can take Oxygen Elements twice per day. Do not give Oxygen Elements Max to children with Autism as it may cause stemming.<br><br>
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Your child may be a bit cranky or tired for a couple of days as they experience cleansing symptoms that may be difficult to explain or understand. Typical cleansing reactions are headache, fatigue, a little constipation or diarrhea. Things that show the product is working are the possible development of a runny nose or some frequent urination.</td>
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<a href="http://www.stopyeast.com/kids.html" target="_blank">Children and candida</a><br><br>
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* Frequent and heavy diaper rash<br>
* Other "eczema" type skin rashes<br>
* Oral Thrush (white film in mouth or on lips or tongue)<br>
* Colicky longer than 3 months<br>
* Symptoms worse on damp days or in damp environments<br>
* Recurrent ear problems<br>
* Craving sweets all the time<br>
* Headaches<br>
* Hyperactive<br>
* Learning problems<br>
* Often irritable<br>
* Ongoing nasal congestion, cough or wheezing<br>
* Unhappy, hard to please<br>
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<a href="http://www.candidasupport.org/symptoms_children.html" target="_blank">Children's candida symptoms</a>That site has a similar dosage chart.<br><br>
If anyone treats their children directly, please note progress in this thread as I will be highly interested. I will also, as I am treating my 5 month old with both oxygen elements and threelac.
 
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