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I came across this article and thought it was interesting.<br><br><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11178-native-american-populations-share-gene-signature.html" target="_blank">http://www.newscientist.com/article/...signature.html</a><br><br><br>
I must say I'm left with some questions about the study, but it is interesting.
 

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If the genes are missing from Asian populations, then what makes them think NA's didn't originate on this continent or the Southern continent and migrate North?
 

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So, it is okay to believe that Africa was home to the origination of humans on that side of the world, but no way could South America also create humans?<br><br>
I mean, they show how other animals originated on separate continents.<br><br>
I just find it hard to belive that ALL life started at one exact spot on Earth.
 

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It's not a matter of 'could', but 'did' or 'didn't. If human artifacts (I'm pulling these figures out of my arse) found in Siberia are 20,000 years old, & those found in Peru are no earlier than 10,000 years old, they'd deduce people were in one place before the other.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's not a matter of 'could', but 'did' or 'didn't. If human artifacts (I'm pulling these figures out of my arse) found in Siberia are 20,000 years old, & those found in Peru are no earlier than 10,000 years old, they'd deduce people were in one place before the other.</div>
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That doesn't make sense, as it has been proven that humans did not all evolve the same in regards to artifacts. ie-While some humans had cities, in other places they were still hunting and gathering.<br><br>
Also, looking at other animals that emerged on separate continents, yet are the same species(might be off on that term, as I am just going off the top of my head), they did not emerge at the same time, but also did not migrate....does that make sense?<br><br>
I'll try and find some links to better explain what I am getting at.
 

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<a href="http://www.native-languages.org/bering.htm" target="_blank">http://www.native-languages.org/bering.htm</a><br><br>
So, far the Bering Strait theory, is just that, a theory.<br><a href="http://www.edenseve.net/discovery_casts_doubt_on_bering_.htm" target="_blank">http://www.edenseve.net/discovery_ca...on_bering_.htm</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If the genes are missing from Asian populations, then what makes them think NA's didn't originate on this continent or the Southern continent and migrate North?</div>
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Because this continent was covered in ice.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://www.native-languages.org/bering.htm" target="_blank">http://www.native-languages.org/bering.htm</a><br><br>
So, far the Bering Strait theory, is just that, a theory.<br><a href="http://www.edenseve.net/discovery_casts_doubt_on_bering_.htm" target="_blank">http://www.edenseve.net/discovery_ca...on_bering_.htm</a></div>
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Crossing the Bering strait also appears in some NA oral histories. It being offensive to some tribes doesn't mean it isn't believed by others.<br><br>
NAs said it before the scientists did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Because this continent was covered in ice.</div>
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South America, too?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Crossing the Bering strait also appears in some NA oral histories. It being offensive to some tribes doesn't mean it isn't believed by others.<br><br>
NAs said it before the scientists did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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The stories I heard said they went North and crossed into Russia, not the other way around. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That doesn't make sense, as it has been proven that humans did not all evolve the same in regards to artifacts. ie-While some humans had cities, in other places they were still hunting and gathering.</div>
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Interesting tidbit- The book called 'Dinosaur Poop' (really about coprolites of all sorts) I read to the kids today, had human turds from a cave where people had been going for <b>8000</b> years! (There were whole mice in there!) There's <i>always</i> evidence <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">.<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Also, looking at other animals that emerged on separate continents, yet are the same species(might be off on that term, as I am just going off the top of my head), they did not emerge at the same time, but also did not migrate....does that make sense?</div>
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Continental drift. <a href="http://geology.com/pangea.htm" target="_blank">http://geology.com/pangea.htm</a><br><br>
You got a kind of lizard here in Pangaea, the continents drift, x genus of lizards stay mostly the same, if they've no reason to drastically change.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Interesting tidbit- The book called 'Dinosaur Poop' (really about coprolites of all sorts) I read to the kids today, had human turds from a cave where people had been going for <b>8000</b> years! (There were whole mice in there!) There's <i>always</i> evidence <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">.</div>
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Sorry, I wasn't negating that there would be evidence, just that basing it solely on artifacts wouldn't be accurate.<br><br><br>
After looking at Carbon dating, it looks like with Carbon-14 dating, it can only go back about 50,000 years. Anything older needs to be done using the more expensive type of dating and, really, who is going to provide the funding to find out the truth?
 

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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=motheringhud-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FPast-Lives-Unlocking-Ancestors-Journeys%2Fdp%2F1597640611%2Fsr%3D1-7%2Fqid%3D1171588954%2Fref%3Dsr_1_7%2F103-8426614-3962261%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Past-Lives-Unl...e=UTF8&s=books</a><br><br>
This book on contemporary facial reconstruction techniques applied to ancient peoples was fascinating. (There is, according to the author, evidence for prehistoric genocide of earlier African immigrants on the eastern coast of South America by the Asian newcomers.) It was cool to 'see' the faces of the ancestors, kwim?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sorry, I wasn't negating that there would be evidence, just that basing it solely on artifacts wouldn't be accurate.<br><br><br>
After looking at Carbon dating, it looks like with Carbon-14 dating, it can only go back about 50,000 years. Anything older needs to be done using the more expensive type of dating and, really, who is going to provide the funding to find out the truth?</div>
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Yeah, you really can't call poo an artifact. Even with whole mice in it.<br><br>
To your last question, er- scientists? It's not so expensive they don't routinely do it already. And 50,000 covers a good spot of prehistory, don't you think? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">And 50,000 covers a good spot of prehistory, don't you think? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"></div>
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<a href="http://www.china.org.cn/e-gudai/1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.china.org.cn/e-gudai/1.htm</a>
 

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Well, yeah, hominids go back a ways. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> And that's an interesting site, it's always good to look at other theories. ('the Shu Ape', a higher primate the size of a mouse?)<br><br>
Regardless, evolving in China collaterally from a native ape or migrating from Africa, it long predates the Bering migration.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, yeah, hominids go back a ways. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> And that's an interesting site, it's always good to look at other theories. ('the Shu Ape', a higher primate the size of a mouse?)<br><br>
Regardless, evolving in China collaterally from a native ape or migrating from Africa, it long predates the Bering migration.</div>
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And you do it so well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:<br><br>
I hate to admit that my only contribution here was that I once saw a PBS documentary that linked DNA from humans who had always lived in Siberia with DNA from South Western Native Americans who had always lived in North America. I know that some of the Native people had a difficlt time with that revelation, but some didn't and saw it as part of their oral hertiage.<br><br>
Interesting stuff, for sure.
 
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