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Hi!<br><br>
I am Blanca, am 39 years old, have a daughter 6 years old and a sohn 1 year old...I have suffered from PMS since I was 13 years old...The first pregnancy (I was 32) was ok...but the second (I was 38) was at the end horrible.. Suddenly and without a reason I got strong mood swings, fear and sleep problems..sometimes I thought I am going crazy..I did not take any antidepressant, because I did not want it, moreover I had good days where I felt myself again...I hoped that all these feelings would not harm my baby..I also had to be very strong to bear it ...nobody could tell my what to do...I felt so alone...<br><br>
After the birth of my baby I decided to take an antidepressant to prevent PPD..So, I did not get PPD or PPS...I took this antidepressant for 7 months till I discovered natural progesteron..I stopped than taking the medicament. The first time without it was not easy...I got extreme mood swings, fear etc...Than I tried a progesteron cream 3%..after using it for 4 cycles I realised, that it did not really help...and that I need more progesterone..so I started taking progesteronE capsules (vaginal)<br><br>
I have been taking this capsules for 11 days..till now I have not had any mood swing...I hope it will stay so...I feel normal..it is wonderful to feel just normal...<br>
My mother tongue is Spanish..so please forgive my mistakes in writing in English...<br><br>
I want to show you some websites, that offer useful information about natural progesteronE:<br><br><a href="http://www.naprotechnology.com/depression.htm" target="_blank">http://www.naprotechnology.com/depression.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.onlineportal.cc/Women/UsingNaturalProgesteroneCreamWisely.html" target="_blank">http://www.onlineportal.cc/Women/Usi...eamWisely.html</a><br><a href="http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com/PDFs/dalton.pdf#search=%22katharina%20dalton%22" target="_blank">http://www.natural-progesterone-advi...na%20dalton%22</a><br><a href="http://www.kokorohealth.com/cgi-bin/datacgi/download.cgi?file=koko&download=HQHCR3D2" target="_blank">http://www.kokorohealth.com/cgi-bin/...nload=HQHCR3D2</a><br><a href="http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/progppd.html" target="_blank">http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/progppd.html</a><br><a href="http://clinicalcenter.nih.gov/participate/healthyvolunteers/newsletter_0102.shtml" target="_blank">http://clinicalcenter.nih.gov/partic...ter_0102.shtml</a><br><br>
What do you think? and who has had good experiences with natural progesterone?<br><br><br>
Bye-bye, Blanca
 

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This is very interesting to me. I was very depressed after the birth of DD, and I would like to avoid PPD again. I will look at the sites you gave. My main questions are:<br><br>
Do you take the cream (or capsules) before giving birth, or do you have to wait?<br><br>
Are the capsules you take available without a prescription? I love my Dr, but frankly - he doesn't know everything! I prefer to go the "natural" route without involving him if possible.<br><br>
Looking forward to hearing back from you, and very happy to hear how well you are doing with the progestrone!!
 

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Hi! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wave.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wave"><br><br>
I am using "Utrogest", these are capsules 100 mg (natural Progesteron)<br>
I live in Germany, so here you have to get a prescription for the capsules and for the progesterone cream as well..<br>
In the USA the name of the capsules is PROMETRIUM<br><br>
I discovered progesterone 2 months after I stop taking the antidepressant...My baby was than 9 months old...I did not take progesterone when I was pregnant..now I think that progesteron would have helped me.... I did not know anything about natural Progesterone..now I know a lot..<br><br>
If you feel bad in the pregnancy you can use progesterone...and you can use it exactly after giving birth too...<br><br>
I would like to recommend this Book by Katharina Dalton<br><span>Depression after Childbirth</span><br>
How to Recognize, Treat, and Prevent Postnatal Depression<br><br>
You can also look for a doctor, who knows how to use progesterone...<br>
Here another link for you: <a href="http://www.minntaccdp.com/lou/5preg.html" target="_blank">http://www.minntaccdp.com/lou/5preg.html</a><br><br>
Bye, Blanca
 

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i have heard of this before. is it ok to take while nursing though?
 

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Hello!<br><br>
While nursing..I did not know this word...nursing= giving your baby milk from your breast?..if it is what you mean..It is also possible..<br><br>
Onetime I read in a book, that some women got pregnant while she where nursing, and if you are pregnant you body produces a lot of progesterone and your baby will also get a little of it ...You do not stop nursing, because you are pregnant..you know what I mean?<br><br>
Please look for a doctor, who has experience with it...What I am explaining to you, is what I have found in my books...<br><br>
Here another link: <a href="http://www.pmstreatmentclinic.com/services.html" target="_blank">http://www.pmstreatmentclinic.com/services.html</a><br><br>
I think, one has to give progesterone a chance...before taking antidepressant...Antidepressant are not harmless...<br><a href="http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/" target="_blank">http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/</a><br><br>
Read all the links I have shown to you all..they offer very interesting information about the progesterone therapy. You can also call some of them to get actual or more information..<br><br>
PPD and PPS can be treated and healed with progesterone..I have scanned 2pages of the book "Once a month" by Dr. Katharina Dalton to show you, how she treated her patients with progesteron. Katharina Dalton died 2004 at the age of 87...<br><br>
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Alison (page 244) was discussed in the British Medical Journal in August 1957 in my paper "Toxemia of Pregnancy Treated with Progesterone During the Symptomatic Stage." The paper discussed how when progesterone is given for the relief of pregnancy symptoms, usually "treatment can be discontinued after the fourth of fifth month, but where necessary, treatment is maintained throughout pregnancy." Alison is an example of a woman who needed progesterone from the sixth week of pregnancy until labor, at thirty-four weeks. She was thirty-one years old, working in the garment industry, and had had two previous miscarriages. She suffered from backaches, headaches, and exhaustion. These were eased with progesterone, taken daily or on alternate days. In those days progesterone could only be given intramuscularly. Attempts were made at twelve, sixteen, and twenty-two weeks of pregnancy to stop the progesterone, but her symptoms immediately returned.<br><br>
Alison had an easy labor and gave birth to fraternal twins, who weighed 4 lb. 1 oz and 3 lb. 13 oz. Following the pregnancy, she had no postnatal depression or PMS and had no further need for progesterone. At the age of thirty-eight she became hypothyroid and benefited from thyroid replacement,<br>
but over the years she has again occasionally become hyperthyroid. She had an easy menopause and enjoyed good health until 1990, when she was found to have severe osteoporosis, with only 76 percent of bone mineral density compared to normal women of her age and height. She had the typical risk<br>
factors of a family history (a sister with osteoporosis), lifelong avoidance of dairy products, lifelong weight maintenance below ideal weight, and thyroid medication. Fortunately, with ethidronate and progesterone treatment, her joint pains eased and her bone mineral density rose to 83 percent in the next<br>
three years. Unfortunately, she fractured her hip in 1997.<br><br>
Alison's twins (page 245) were included in the twenty-year follow, up of children whose mothers received progesterone while pregnant, first reported in 1976 in the British Journal of Psychiatry. They developed early, standing at seven months and walking at nine months, and they made excellent progress in school, both winning scholarships to a fee-paying school noted for its high academic standards, both going on to college and gaining good degrees. One is a successful accountant, married, with a son and daughter, and the other a successful physicist, with one son.<br><br>
Pippa (page 246), a radiographer, was twenty-five years old and her baby was nine months when she was first seen in 1983. She had no previous psychiatrie symptoms or illnesses, and she described her pregnancy as "great-bloomed.”<br><br>
However, following anormal labor and birth, she experienced a personality change. By the third day after giving birth, she was hostile to her husband, screaming, dissatisfied, delusional, and having hallucinations. She was admitted to a mother and baby unit, where she became violent with the nurses. For safety precautions, her baby was removed from her care for a few days. Pippa later described the treatment during her five-week hospital stay as "barbaric." Interestingly, Pippa had a similar family history: her mother had also suffered delusions after Pippa's birth and her sister had suffered postnatal depression.<br><br>
Because of her terrifying experience, Pippa was anxious to be sterilized to ensure that she would never have to go through that hell again. She and her husband considered adopting if they wished to have any more children. At our first meeting, I discussed the hormonal cause of postnatal psychosis and its successful prevention with progesterone. In 1985, Pippa had the courage to become pregnant again and underwent prophylactic progesterone. On the third day, two hours before her next injection, she felt "strange," so she had an early injection and immediately felt "wonderful." Subsequently, in addition to her daily injections she had suppositories for a few days. She was able to enjoy those first few months of her baby's life and breast-fed her successfully. I met Pippa quite accidentally in 1994 at a health workers' conference in London. She presented a paper, "The Effect of Postnatal Depression on the Family." An elegant and first-class speaker, she spoke from her heart. She is now a successful lecturer on radiation safety, traveling widely to Europe and beyond. Her message at the conference was that there was life after postnatal depression and that postnatal depression can be prevented. She proudly showed a photograph of her two healthy, happy daughters.<br>
The diversity of these thumbnail sketches merely serves to emphasize that we women are all different, and medically each one of us needs to be considered individually. There remains considerable work before our personal hormonal changes can be fully understood.<br><br>
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So..I hope all this will help you...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
Bye-Bye, Blanca
 

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cool. i will keep this in mind with my next child. thanks blanca! (and yep nursing = breastfeeding)
 

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<b>VERY IMPORTANT!!!!<br><br>
IT HAS TO BE <span>BIOIDENTICAL PROGESTERONE</span></b><br><br>
Dr Katharina Dalton treated her patients as follows:<br><br>
Book: "Depression after Childbirth"<br><br><i><b>Pogesterone prevention</b>:<br><br>
.....100 mg Progesteron injections daily for seven days, followed by 400 mg progesterone suppossitories twice daily for two months or until menstruation returns.<br><br>
If any symptoms appear, the dose of 400 mg suppositories should be increased to four or six daily, or the patient should return to 100 mg injections daily......</i><br><br><br>
I wonder why is this therapy not known...?????<br><br>
Bye, Blanca
 
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