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so im gonna be a new mom and this was a totally new issue to consider. Im glad I came across this section. Id like to know the basics on why NOT to vaccinate. I know the whole mercury issue but what about the vaccines that dont have that...what are side effects. Also most schools require vaccinations, how do you get around that? what about basic vaccines for chicken pocks rubella and such... Im a bit confused and new to this and I would like to be fully informed before I make a decision.
 

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The first vaccine they will try and give your newborn is the Hep B vaccine. Why is that? Hep B is a disease that is spread by blood or other bodily fluids. It is a disease seen in prostitution or needle drug abusers. Why does a newborn baby whose mother is not Hep B affected, need that sort of vaccine?<br><br>
That ought to make you take notice that there is something wrong with the vaccine program.<br><br>
What you want to do is wait. Wait until you are 100% sure that you want to vaccinate your child and you feel good about it. Otherwise, wait...<br><br>
Remember you can always vaccinate a child but you can never again take that vaccine out of the baby's body again. And if the child has a vaccine reaction that can be for a whole life time.<br><br>
Mercury is not the only issue. It has been brought to the fore by concerned parents and they have finally cried loud enough to make the vaccine manufacturer take mercury out of some/most vaccines but there are other ingredients that are just as questionable as mercury.<br><br>
Every state (but 2) has some sort of exemption. Most of us take a religious exemption because there is no need to explain your religion. It can be as simple as saying you just don't believe in vaccines. Or you religiously oppose vaccines. Period.<br><br>
Basic vaccines, as you call them, could be the reason why so many children have asthma, allergies, diabetics, juv. rheumatism, MS and even cancer.<br><br>
Your baby is lucky that you decided to inform yourself before you simply inject the child with known neurotoxins and carcinogens. Learn what is actually in the needle.<br><br>
And <b>welcome</b> to the Vaccine forum.
 

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Welcome. I think Dr. Robert Sears new Vaccine Book would be a great place for you to start to get your answers. He has pros and cons for each vaccine plus their history and ingredients and he outlines each disease. Likely your library has it. It is an easy read and very informative.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">so im gonna be a new mom and this was a totally new issue to consider. Im glad I came across this section. Id like to know the basics on why NOT to vaccinate. I know the whole mercury issue but what about the vaccines that dont have that...what are side effects. Also most schools require vaccinations, how do you get around that? what about basic vaccines for chicken pocks rubella and such... Im a bit confused and new to this and I would like to be fully informed before I make a decision.</div>
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Basics for me came down to the risks outweighing any possible benefit.<br><br>
Exemptions for school are very easy in nearly every state.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Welcome. I think Dr. Robert Sears new Vaccine Book would be a great place for you to start to get your answers. He has pros and cons for each vaccine plus their history and ingredients and he outlines each disease. Likely your library has it. It is an easy read and very informative.</div>
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its funny you mention his book for a couple reasons... dr. sears SR (his father) was actually my ped when I was little. on top of that I came across his book online a few days ago. I think Ill pick it up sometime this week. thanks
 

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Another informative book to read is <a href="http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=9780892819317&pwb=1&z=y" target="_blank">Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide - how to Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about the Risks, Benefits, and Alternatives</a> by Aviva Jill Romm. You also probably want to check out the <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm" target="_blank">CDC pink book.</a>
 

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in my research i found a few sites that say children without vaccines have a higher risk of SIDS. any feedback on this mamas?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">in my research i found a few sites that say children without vaccines have a higher risk of SIDS. any feedback on this mamas?</div>
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The studies were screwy. What they did was compare children who were getting vaxed on schedule with children who were behind on their vaxes. Generally, children who are being vaxed on schedule (on purpose) are getting better quality care than children who are behind on their vaxes (by accident or due to parental challenges). What they are not doing is comparing people who didn't vax their children on purpose, with people who did vax their children on purpose.<br><br>
So the results of this study do not apply to you or to your child.
 

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Here are some sites you might want to check out -<br><br><a href="http://www.909shot.com" target="_blank">www.909shot.com</a><br><br><a href="http://www.thinktwice.com" target="_blank">www.thinktwice.com</a><br><br><a href="http://www.vaccinetruth.org" target="_blank">http://www.vaccinetruth.org</a><br><br><a href="http://www.thenhf.com/vaccinations_70.htm" target="_blank">http://www.thenhf.com/vaccinations_70.htm</a><br><br>
And of course the archives on top of this forum.
 

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thanks for the great info. I did have another question/ concern. ok, so babies first scheduled vaccination is at birth for Hep B. I have really researched this and I know what the possible side effects and reactions are... but my question is what is the negative ingredient...is it aluminum? Ive read that if you are gonna do a hep b shot its better to wait till the child is a few yrs old... can they tolerate aluminum better then?? will it have the same possible effects? does age even matter?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">thanks for the great info. I did have another question/ concern. ok, so babies first scheduled vaccination is at birth for Hep B. I have really researched this and I know what the possible side effects and reactions are... but my question is what is the negative ingredient...is it aluminum? Ive read that if you are gonna do a hep b shot its better to wait till the child is a few yrs old... can they tolerate aluminum better then?? will it have the same possible effects? does age even matter?</div>
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If you have a child that will be felled by vaccines, delaying will only put off the inevitable. See a recent post about a child's vaccine reaction at the age of 5. Delaying did nothing to avert a vaccine reaction, just put if off a few years.<br><br>
You should also spend time comparing vaccine schedules from a decade or two ago compared with today's schedule to get the full impact of the insanity of the program.<br><br>
Here's a bit of info I put together:<br><br>
Prepare to be quite shocked!!<br>
This is the schedule from <span style="color:#FF0000;">1983</span>, which is probably quite similar to the mid 70's, I'm not sure when they added the MMR to the schedule. And a 2nd dose was added in a later schedule.<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/images/schedule1983s.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...edule1983s.jpg</a><br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">1989</span>, a new vaccine, Hib was added, and it was only one dose at 18 months.<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/images/schedule1989s.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...edule1989s.jpg</a><br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">1994</span>,<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/images/schedule1994s.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...edule1994s.jpg</a><br><br>
they added more doses of Hib, one more dose of MMR, and a new vax consisting of 3 doses, Heb B.<br><br>
Prior to 1995, the childhood schedule was published periodically, as part of the ACIP's General Recommendations.<br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">1996</span>, varicella (chickenpox) was added to the schedule,<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00039897.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00039897.htm</a><br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">1999</span> brought another new vaccine to the schedule, and this was year I realized I knew nothing about the vaccines I had allowed to be injected into my children beginning in 1984.<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056261.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056261.htm</a><br><br>
Rotashield vaccine was added this year, but then pulled due to several infants died and far more needed surgery to reconstruct their bowels because of this vaccine that appears to have been approved by people with severe conflicts of interest (one of the panel members held a patent to a rotavirus vaccine that was in production by another company. The approval of this vaccine would pave the way to $$$$$$ for his company's vax.)<br><br>
3 doses of this vaccine were added the schedule in 1999.<br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">2000</span>, we see the rotavirus vax gone but Hep A added in selected areas.<br><br>
No doubt this was only a temp measure until the drug company could lobby Hep A across the country, making it required for ALL children.<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4902a4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4902a4.htm</a><br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">2001</span>, 4 doses of ANOTHER new vaccine was added to the schedule,<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5001a3.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5001a3.htm</a><br>
Prevnar.<br><br>
For 2001, ACIP, the American Academy of Family Physicians, and the American Academy of Pediatrics have added pneumococcal conjugate vaccine to the schedule<br><br>
(2) and have extended the recommendation for the use of hepatitis A vaccine to include persons through age 18 years in selected geographic areas and in certain high-risk groups (3). Detailed recommendations for using vaccines are available from the manufacturers' package inserts, ACIP statements on specific vaccines, and the 2000 Red Book (5). ACIP statements for each recommended childhood vaccine can be viewed, downloaded, and printed from CDC's National Immunization Program World-Wide Web site, <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/ACIP-list.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/ACIP-list.htm</a>.<br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">2002</span>, they sneak in influenza (flu vax) for hi risk children. Another temp move like the Hep A vax.<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5102a4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5102a4.htm</a><br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">2003</span>, they have widened the recommendations for the flu vax, now being added to the group, all infants 6-23 months. Watch for this recommendation to widen even more as time goes on....<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5204-Immunizationa1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...nizationa1.htm</a><br><br>
By <span style="color:#FF0000;">2005</span>, they got influenza recommended for all<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5351-Immunizationa1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...nizationa1.htm</a><br><br>
So by 2006, as we close out the year,<br><br>
the drug companies were successful in getting Hep A and Influenza vaccines recommended for all.<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/child-schedule-color-print.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/child-sc...olor-print.pdf</a><br><br>
Quite a difference from the 1983 schedule!<br><br><br><a href="http://books.nap.edu/books/0309070295/html/58.html#p200043958940058001" target="_blank">http://books.nap.edu/books/030907029...43958940058001</a><br><br><br>
More on then and now:<br><br><a href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75700" target="_blank">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/div...c.jsp?id=75700</a>
 

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suschi, that link showing the future vaxes for 2020 is SCARY <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake">
 

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I think so, especially when it you put it side by side w/the schedule from the early 80's, wow. And to imagine my parents only had to get 1 shot when they were in school!!!
 

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Im still a bit confused on one aspect. How do you get your kid in school if they require vaccines? Im in CA and dont know how this type of thing works. Is it that big a deal where I would need a lawyer or is it as easy as just talking to someone in the school district. i dont have to worry about this for a while but Id rather be informed and prepared.
 

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No its usually very easy. Im not in CA however in WI you just check a box (on the standard health card when you register) and sign saying that it is against your beliefs or religion. Thats all..you dont have to prove anything.
 

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No lawyer needed. It will be a checkbox or a simple form. Some states need a letter (from you, not a lawyer or anything)<br><br>
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You had asked why NOT to vaccinate, and I would like to share that in this forum, I kept hearing moms saying how much healthier their unvaxed kids were compared to their older vaxed siblings.<br><br>
I have only one dd, who is unvaxed, and she is so much healthier than her peers of the same age, lifestyle, diet, etc. She is having her first real cold now at her 2nd birthday, despite playing with kids with colds for months now.<br><br>
I also believe that certain vaccines work better than others but at the cost of reducing the strength of one's immune system.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Im still a bit confused on one aspect. How do you get your kid in school if they require vaccines? Im in CA and dont know how this type of thing works. Is it that big a deal where I would need a lawyer or is it as easy as just talking to someone in the school district. i dont have to worry about this for a while but Id rather be informed and prepared.</div>
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I'm in CA and I am very familiar with the way that immunizations (and exemptions) are kept track of in schools. I have been an assistant director and a director of a preschool (before the birth of my baby) and I have been responsible for the upkeep of the immunization records. All children enrolled in school have a blue immunization card where the school keeps track of their immunizations. These cards are either filled out by the ped or by the school with info provided by the child's doctor. On the reverse side of the blue card there is a box that states that you object to vaccinations on medical, religious, or philosophical grounds you just sign the back of the card and date it. Then you return the card to school. Super easy. I worked at a preschool in Venice, CA where a large number of parents chose not to vax there kids. However if you're planning on sending your child to private school be aware that they have the right to insist your child be vaccinated before admitting them if that is their policy. Most don't have that policy though. I plan on sending our little girl to a waldorf school which is private but they are very supportive of non-vaxing. Public schools have to let you in regardless of vax status as long as you have signed the blue card.
 
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