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Hi Mamas,<br><br>
I just got the results from heavy metal testing with my naturopath. i have high levels of lead and mercury <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
so looks like the next step is to remove my amalgam fillings... of which I think i have 10 or so. I know <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I have kaiser dental insurance, and when i called to see if they have a dentist on staff who follows the proper protocol for replacing fillings, the lady told me A) there is NO mercury in my mouth and B) kaiser doesn't cover replacements anyway.<br><br>
So i'm looking at working with a dentist that is not on my insurance panel, who specializes in this type of thing. Anyone have a ballpark figure on what kind of bills i'm facing?<br><br>
I know health is a lot more important than money. but its scary heading into a lot of debt.<br><br>
not to mention the chelation treatments that will follow...<br><br>
any support would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Mine was $200/tooth (not per filling, it seems to be billed per tooth), I just got regular composites in (the dentist I went to just used one type of composite). Some holistic/mercury-free dentists are crazy expensive, but some are not, and some dentists don't advertise as mercury-free but they really don't like amalgam and know how to take it out safely. You've probably got more local choices than just the names that come up when you google mercury free dentists.<br><br>
The dentist's office just billed the work to my insurance company and they paid some of it, so I wouldn't rule it out unless your insurance absolutely, always needs things pre-approved.<br><br>
What type of chelation are you considering? I can't say this process has been cheap for me, but most of the cost has been towards nutritional supplements, since getting this sick (I got sick from my amalgams, but it's just mercury for me, not lead) really depleted a lot of nutrients in me. But the chelators themselves aren't terribly expensive, at least the ones I'm using. I've used the frequent, low-dose style of oral chelation, google Andy Cutler mercury for more details (if you haven't already, don't know how far along into researching all this you are), or go to the autism-mercury yahoo group, or the frequent dose chelation yahoo group. Both use Cutler-style oral chelation protocols. I also think it's the safest approach, but that's obviously your call. Alpha lipoic acid is cheap, DMSA is more expensive but not horrible. I think I'm spending about $150-200/mo on pills for me, roughly (it's varied up and down a bit).<br><br>
Have you seen the Chelating mamas thread? It's long, but I found it very helpful when I was starting this process. Let me link it...<br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=435848" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=435848</a><br><br>
Here's the first page, it really _is_ long, but just knowing I wasn't alone as my world turned upside down was really helpful.
 

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thank you so much for your reply! my naturopath has suggested doing the following after amalgam removal:<br><br>
"We often have people do what's called a chelation protocol, which means that they come in once weekly for several weeks, rotating three different treatments, one each week: IV EDTA drip, IV DMPS push, IV vitamin/mineral drip to replace nutrients lost. That program is the ideal way to pull out both metals. DMPS focuses on the mercury, EDTA on the lead. There's not really anything that grabs both metals with equal strength."<br><br>
the dentist I am looking to work with does say on his site that he can work out payment plans if your credit is good, which ours is.<br><br>
it all feels really overwhelming at the moment. I was led to mercury testing to begin with because of recurring depression/anxiety/ocd symptoms which flared up after the birth of my son. I had 2 amalgam filled teeth crack during early pregnancy, and they were capped with gold. my kaiser dentist did not follow any safety protocol that i was aware of while doing the work. it makes me sad and angry, but i know theres nothing i can do but move forward at this point.
 

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I'd look into other types of chelation as well. Personally, I wouldn't use an IV for myself or my kids. The short reason is that chelators are chemicals that bind to different types of metals (different chelators for different metals, though most bind to a couple types), but no chelator is perfect. A good chelator will grab onto metals tightly (vs something like chlorella which binds loosely), but even still, some metals are released into our bloodstreams. If you have a massive infusion of chelator all at once, you'll excrete quite a bit of metals, yes, but you'll also get a huge jump in what's circulating in your body, and that can really mess you up, both short-term (headaches, body aches, like that) and mid/long-term (mood issues, apathy, depression, inability to engage in life). Frequent, low-dose oral chelation keeps the amount of chelator in your bloodstream steady for several days (as long as you keep taking the pills) and reduces the re-distribution problem.<br><br><a href="http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm" target="_blank">http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm</a><br><br>
Here's a brief overview if you're interested. I have found that a lot of the discussion of biomed for ASD kids applies to me and the kids even though none of us have an ASD diagnosis. Googling with those key words, even if it's not your issue, can help provide some different viewpoints.<br><br>
It's hard when you're dealing with mood issues, but almost everyone with heavy metals problems does get mood problems. For me, depression and anxiety. It's hard to make decisions when you're feeling like this, but the good thing is, you know what the problem is and you're working on solving it.<br><br>
For me, one thing that has helped quite a bit is cutting out gluten and dairy. I know GFCF is considered a kid's ASD thing, but it's been important for me (for my kids as well). Maybe something to consider--it helped me _feel_ better, for which I was extremely grateful.<br><br>
eta: this is also a starting place. yes, i'm giving lots of links to cutler-type chelation, but I think it's the safest way to go, and I can testify it's effective. I'm about 1.5 yrs out from getting my amalgams out and I am much, much better. I have a great healthcare provider (in Iowa, no idea where you are) who gave me supplemental advice to add on beyond Cutler's work, but Cutler's dosing schedule is really key IMO.<br><br><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html</a>
 

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At this point, I can't research things on the internet. It leads me down a bad path of feeling more hopeless and anxious. My husband has seriously considered canceling our internet service, because I have such a hard time dealing with my compulsion to do research on things in my life, such as antidepressants. He has already had a talk with me about this new mercury and lead thing, and he's right, i have to trust my providers here. And i've been working with my naturopath for a year now, and I know I do trust him completely. I will talk with him about the oral detox schedule though, and see what he thinks the pros and cons are. so thank you!<br><br>
I have had such crushing fatigue for a very long time now, I am hopeful that working on this issue can help possibly relieve some of it. If it can help with my mood problems as well, I will be elated.<br><br>
I really really hate getting dental work done though.. its pretty scary to imagine just how much of it I will have to have in the months to come.
 

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<span style="color:#800080;"><b>I am so so sorry that you are going through this!! I can SO relate because I'm going through something similar.<br><br>
I have 10 mercury fillings - and they are 50% mercury so YES there IS mercury in them!! I too seem to have chronic fatigue symptoms, depression symptoms, and anxiety issues. And DH and I have talked many times about me and how much thirst for knowledge I have that makes me want to research everything and anything to death. I, too, have had to take steps back several times to try to get a grip on things and just enjoy life!!<br><br>
It's SO hard to make decisions. My chiro/naturopath wants me to go on OSR#1 which was made by Boyd Haley. It's an antioxident and sounds promising. It might be something else to consider if you think about it.<br><br>
I too will have to look into the other protocol everyone was mentioning.<br><br>
As far as cost....my holistic dentist said that they could basically get the insurance to cover it if they find cracks in the filling or decay under neath the filling...and he told me that they ALWAYS find issues with the filling....meaning that they can get the insurance to pay no problem. That seems pretty awesome to me. Can you do a search for holistic dentists in your area and possibly get a second opinoin? My dental insurance told me they do NOT pay for amalgam removal...EXCEPT when there are cracks or decay in the fillings and they need to be replaced. My insurance will pay for one filling per tooth per year....so for me, it is my understanding that my insurance will pay for my fillings to be replaced. My dentist doesn't charge for the removal of the amalgam, just putting a new filling in (a composite filling). I am slightly worried about the BPA and hormone stuff....but much less than the mercury fillings.<br><br>
Anyway, I hope this helps. I'd try to find another dentist who could get your insurance to cover the replacements for you. I hope it works out. If you need any more advice or just want someone else to talk to, let me know and I can give you my email! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Good luck. I know it's daunting..but just try to take it one day at a time, one step at a time!!! Also, you can read about my story under Amalgam removal, weaning, TTC, advice (or something to that effect) that I just posted under this section.<br><br>
Warmly,<br>
Tara<br></b></span>
 

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In many states removing amalgam fillings that are not defective and putting in white ones is considered malpractice. It may be hard to find a dentist willing to do it that will lie to insurance because that is insurance fraud. I have also been told drilling out old metal fillings releases more mercury than leaving them alone. The mercury content is not 50% of a metal filling. The filling would be way too soft.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In many states removing amalgam fillings that are not defective and putting in white ones is considered malpractice. It may be hard to find a dentist willing to do it that will lie to insurance because that is insurance fraud. I have also been told drilling out old metal fillings releases more mercury than leaving them alone. The mercury content is not 50% of a metal filling. The filling would be way too soft.</div>
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<b><span style="color:#800080;"><a href="http://www.toxicmercuryamalgam.com/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.toxicmercuryamalgam.com/index.htm</a><br><br>
"Most people would be shocked to discover that those “silver” fillings are composed of over 50% mercury - the most toxic non-radioactive metal known to man - More deadly than lead, cadmium or even arsenic."<br><br>
And here: <a href="http://dentalwellness4u.com/mercurydetox/poison.html" target="_blank">http://dentalwellness4u.com/mercurydetox/poison.html</a><br><br>
"The ADA not only continues to perpetuate the myth that amalgams are safe, but also does everything it can to prevent mercury free dentists from discussing this topic with their patients. Pro-amalgam dentists tell their patients that mercury free dentists are quacks because if the ADA says amalgams are safe fillings, they must be safe and don’t worry about it! But they are very careful not to call them mercury fillings—even though 50% of an amalgam filling is composed of mercury."<br><br>
You can also google in amalgams and 50% mercury and a bunch of things will come up....so I'm not understanding you when you say they are not 50% mercury....<br><br>
Those site says that amalgams ARE 50% mercury...and I've read it many other places as well.<br><br>
Also, my dentist is not doing anything illegal by telling me he can get my insurance to pay for it. He said he has NEVER EVER taken out a mercury filling that there is NOT decay underneath the teeth, or that the filling is cracked.<br><br>
Also, it depends on the way they are taken out. Drilling the fillings out would release a lot of mercury...however "chunking" is a safer way to take them out, as well as using a rubber dam. You can google safe protocol for removing mercury fillings and find a bunch of information as well.</span></b>
 

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I feel confident about and committed to removing my amalgams, no matter what the cost. My situation is unique in that i have Kaiser dental insurance, an HMO, who will only cover costs if I use their dentists. They do not employ any holistic dentists. So therefore I have to go outside of my insurance parameters and pay out of pocket to get work done that I am comfortable with.<br><br>
I am coming to peace with it. What is the worth of money if I don't have my health?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In many states removing amalgam fillings that are not defective and putting in white ones is considered malpractice. It may be hard to find a dentist willing to do it that will lie to insurance because that is insurance fraud. I have also been told drilling out old metal fillings releases more mercury than leaving them alone. The mercury content is not 50% of a metal filling. The filling would be way too soft.</div>
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Here is a MSDS for one brand of dental amalgam. The manufacturer declares 47% mercury by weight in their amalgam product. My understanding is that all brands are very similar.<br><br><a href="http://www.gotoadc.com/pl_msds/quala_msds/Alloy.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.gotoadc.com/pl_msds/quala_msds/Alloy.pdf</a><br><br>
In the short-term, removing an amalgam filling, even with a safe protocol, does cause a spike in mercury exposure, an important reason not to do this while pregnant or nursing, but for those of us suffering health problems due to mercury, getting our amalgams out of our mouth is an important start to getting our health back.
 

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I had my amalgam out today and replaced with a composite. The original consult was 90$ with no x-rays done. Today it cost me $185 for the amalgam removal and composite replacement. Mine is covered under my husbands work insurance as they cover any filling replacement as long as they are older than 2 years.<br><br>
I feel so much relief now. I think that I can finally start to heal. Even just one amalgam can cause chronic health problems.
 

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i can not wait to get the fillings replaced. I know it will feel like a huge relief for me. at the moment, thinking about getting 10 different teeth worked on is really daunting. just trying not to get overwhelmed with things.<br><br>
edited to add: does anyone know how the chelating agents interact with prescription medications? like i said, i take an ssri and am concerned about it losing its effectiveness during detox.
 
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