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Hi everyone, I am totally new to tao. I've lurked for a little while, but wanted to post about something that DRIVES ME NUTS!<br><br>
We have a neighbor that lives two doors down who's got a truck, a BIG Dodge Ram diesel truck. Every morning he idles the d*** thing for about an hour. We have NO idea why. I've done way too much poking around on Google, trying to find something that would indicate why one would have to warm up a truck in every season for an hour.<br><br>
So that bugs me on principle: he's wasting tons of gas, sending nasty stuff out into the air, etc. But what REALLY gets me is that it is now the time of year when we can have to windows open all day. We keep them open at night, too. And when I am waking up around 7, the stench of his truck is in our room. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
Can anyone tell me how dangerous this is to me and my kids [my BABY!]? I know diesel exhaust is nastier than other kinds, but how much, I don't know. He's a "nice guy," a good neighbor, decent man, but what the heck is going on with that truck?<br><br>
I have been so annoyed I wanted to march over there and give him some lecture, but that is so ineffective.<br><br>
I feel like I really need to say something to him, but I don't know whether he is really disrupting our individual quality of life or just the planet's. It's really hard to give anyone a lecture about things like littering, polluting, etc.<br><br>
I just keep hoping and praying that the truck will break down....
 

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I hate people like that. DH lets the car idle for about 10 minutes every morning to "warm it up" and I jump his azz for it every morning. Hello--it's hot out! The car doesn't need to warm up!
 

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If he's a nice guy just ask him not to idle for the hour. Explain your windows are open and the sound and smell come right in and do not sound or smell good.<br><br>
I don't think he'll care for an environmental lecture.
 

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Ugh, I have a similar problem. Our neighbor's young adult daughter has a car with a very loud muffler. You can hear her coming on the next street over!<br>
Anyway, their driveway is right beside our bedroom window.<br>
And each morning at 7am, she lets the car warm up for a good 30 minutes, muffler rumbling, and radio thumping.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: Then you can hear her backing out, driving off into the distance.<br><br>
I'm thinking of sticking a Midas muffler coupon in their mailbox.<br>
Drives me freakin' beserk.
 

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10 minutes is oj - it's not the interior warming up, its the mechanical parts tat need a warm up before the work out....'d be dropping off a polite note w/ a plate of brownies or something asking him to kknoc it off.<br><br>
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I would be so annoyed. Not by the emissions but by the noise!! If your windows are closed I don't think it's going to effect you that much health wise.<br><br>
We used to have a neighbor that would fire his up every morning at six am (this house doesn't wake until 9) and let it idle for about 20 minutes and it drove me nuts!!
 

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Some states have laws against idling. I think Kansas is one of them. Or it use to be.
 

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Maybe look up the sound ordinances in your city. There may be a law against what he is doing. Then ask him nicely to stop, and if he doesn't, report him.
 

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The newer diesel vehicles are more efficient. Ordinarily that's a good thing, however, because they are more efficient at burning diesel fuel they now put finer particulate matter from that combustion in the air. This aggravates the lungs of asthmatics especially, but also reduces lung function for people with normal function. The effects can last for hours after the irritants are gone.
 

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Thanks mamas. I read OakBerry's post and <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: for that situation--a muffler AND a radio--right next to the window. It could always be worse [I mean I think that situation is much worse than ours]!<br>
You all have boosted my confidence to be sweet and say something nice. I looked up the idling laws and our [RED] state doesn't have them...alas. I need to say something because it totally wrecks having the windows open.
 

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It is illegal in Texas. Or at least that was what the flyer said that I found under my windshield wiper one morning.
 

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My ex-nieghboor used to do that until his truck was stolen from his driveway. After he moved (because the nieghboorhood was "dangerous and crime-ridden") I found out that was actually his 3rd truck stolen in a similar matter. Since he left 2 yrs ago I don't think we've had any cars stolen, lol.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My ex-nieghboor used to do that until his truck was stolen from his driveway. After he moved (because the nieghboorhood was "dangerous and crime-ridden") I found out that was actually his 3rd truck stolen in a similar matter. Since he left 2 yrs ago I don't think we've had any cars stolen, lol.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I have had the urge to drive off in his truck! I read that leaving the car running is the most common cause of having your vehicle stolen. What could someone be thinking?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh">
 

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When you approach the neighbor, don't lecture him about the environment. I'd focus on the personal discomfort stuff. "I'd like to leave my windows open but the truck smells too much and the smell wakes me up." "The noise of the truck idling so long wakes the baby"- keep the focus on the little annoying details he may not have thought about ,rather than the biggies he may get defensive about.
 

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Oh no--that's so annoying. We had an old housemate that did the same thing, and it was a really old house with windows that weren't airtight...the exhaust would come right in. Yuck.<br>
I thought I remembered on Car Talk once they said warming up a car via idling is completely unnecessar--you should just drive melowly for a bit once you first start it up. Not sure if that applies for diesel too.<br>
Hey! I know! Your neighbor should start running veggie oil and then the exhaust will smell like fried food! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Go over and talk to him, there might be a real reason why.<br><br>
My DH is an engineer for GM, and he works on diesel engines- trucks, vans, etc. As part of his job, he has to put miles on certain vehicles, and brings them home. Some of his calibrations that he has to run require that he start the trucks and idle them while the computer downloads emissions information. There's not a heck of a lot he can do about it, other than jeopardize his job. The irony is that the work he is doing is leading to calibrations that are helping emissions on future vehicles, sooooo....<br><br>
I don't know. I doubt your neighbor is in the same situation, and it does stink. Literally and figuratively, I hate it when the idling diesel fumes get into our house. And I know our neighbors dislike it as well- we've had neighbors come over and tell us nervously, "Um, I think you forgot to turn off your truck."<br><br>
So, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> just talk to him. You never know where it could go!<br><br>
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That sucks. I'm sorry you're having to endure that. I agree with Ruthla. Being as polite and non-confrontational about it as possible as well as focusing on your dicomfort rather than the environment would be the way I'd go.<br><br>
FWIW, diesel exhaust in general isn't more harmful than gas exhaust. Diesel actually burns at a higher temperature than gas (which is why the engine needs glow plugs to ignite the fuel) so it burns cleaner. This is a common misconception. The black exhaust that you see coming out of diesel engines occurs when someone gives the engine too much fuel. This kind of exhaust *is* more harmful because the driver is flooding the engine with more fuel than it can burn (trying to accelerate faster than the engine can take) and so it's burning 'cold' and not burning completely.
 

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<a href="http://www.scif.com/safety/safetymeeting/Article.asp?ArticleID=35" target="_blank">http://www.scif.com/safety/safetymee...p?ArticleID=35</a><br><a href="http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_id=19958&p_table=INTERPRETATIONS" target="_blank">http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...NTERPRETATIONS</a><br><br>
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