[DarkHorseMama]

<a href="http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9804951%255E1702,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...5E1702,00.html</a><br><br>
Rather bland article. No mention of what the "incorrect mix of formulation" might be.

 

[seven_lux]

Someone mentioned this at my young mums group on friday (here in Australia), which was the first I'd heard about it.<br>
None seemed worried (everyone ff's except 2 of us, so it's like 10:2...if more mums came it would be ?:2, that's the young mums around here for you), but it was more like no-one wanted to think about what that means for their precious formula.<br>
So convienient! Best for baby! So easy! blah blah blah..<br><br>
(more like so easily stuffed up in the manufacturing process! nervewracking! a hassle! complicated! higher incidence of illness in ff babies! yay!)<br><br>
Just two weeks ago they were defending to the death (though no-one was attacking them) because "everyone knows it's just as good, better even!....that there's no need for breastfeeding any more... etc. etc.").<br><br>
In the brief amount of time we talked about the recall I mentioned in passing that I had read that there is not a brand of formula that has not been recalled at least once, and I was just talked over. They don't want to know.<br><br>
No I don't rant and rave like this at ff mums at the group, how pointless and unproductive...I save that for home and here. It's very releasing, thank-you.<br><br>
Also, I was thinking...<br><br>
"A BABY formula which could cause babies to become unsettled and show symptoms of constipation and diarrhoea was today recalled by its manufacturer."<br><br>
Isn't that just par for the course when it comes to babies in general and ff anyway? I wonder how they realized it was a botched batch, to the extent they recalled it.<br><br>
It's all just so dodgy.

 

[Meiri]

If they do like other food industries, a certain amount of product is randomly pulled from the line and tested. This is supposed to catch problems BEFORE they leave the factory. Given the number of recalls over the years, you'd think they'd catch on and do more testing so botched batches never get out...

 

[Gidget]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Someone mentioned this at my young mums group on friday (here in Australia), which was the first I'd heard about it.<br>
None seemed worried (everyone ff's except 2 of us, so it's like 10:2...if more mums came it would be ?:2, that's the young mums around here for you), but it was more like no-one wanted to think about what that means for their precious formula.<br>
So convienient! Best for baby! So easy! blah blah blah..<br><br>
(more like so easily stuffed up in the manufacturing process! nervewracking! a hassle! complicated! higher incidence of illness in ff babies! yay!)<br><br>
Just two weeks ago they were defending to the death (though no-one was attacking them) because "everyone knows it's just as good, better even!....that there's no need for breastfeeding any more... etc. etc.").<br><br>
In the brief amount of time we talked about the recall I mentioned in passing that I had read that there is not a brand of formula that has not been recalled at least once, and I was just talked over. They don't want to know.<br></div>
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Now I am going to risk bieng flamed here, but that's okay. How in the he!! can someone sit there and say it is all bs and defend formula even after a potential health risk warrants a recall? DO they care more about defending formula than their childs health? It makes me very angry that a mother would rather risk her childs health than to admit that "Hey, my beloved formula is really not all that great after all". I am too lazy to add a stupid disclaimer today too. But you all know what I am talking about.

 

[TigerTail]

<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> and here i thought y'all aussies were so much more advanced than us americans on this front. (oh well, at least you guys stopped circ'ing! uh, right?)<br><br>
suse

 

[seven_lux]

Circ'ing still happens here, it's just our public health system stopped paying for it, so those who want it done must pay for it out of their own pockets.<br>
I can tell you, among those I know it has saved many little foreskins.<br>
Most do actually want it done, but they don't want to fork over the money for it.<br><br>
Whatever it takes, eh? ugh.<br><br>
As for being more advanced...I don't think so. I like to call my country *LITTLE AMERICA*, because 80% or more of our television content is American, most of our companies have been brought out by American Companies.<br><br>
Our C/S rate is about the same as America as far as I know, amd just about everything that America does or tries to do our pollies jump on the bandwagon....outlawing gay marriage for example.<br><br>
Also, although it is illegal to promote or advertise infant formula here (includes giving out samples) our breastfeeding rate lies at around the SAME as america where formula is shoved down your throat (so I hear).<br><br>
And Gidget, not to defend them for defending their formula, but the big formula defending brou-ha-ha happened about a week or two before we heard about the recall. When they heard about the recall they didn't defend it to the death or talk it up so much as buried their heads in the sand and trying not to think about what they were hearing.<br>
It was in fact I who was being attacked that week as I breastfed my 8mo, as it is just SO pointless as everyone here knows, the only reason to breastfeed is BONDING, and they are perfectly bonded to their children of course, thus there is no point in breastfeeding.<br>
Since I dared to stand up for myself with a simple "no, that is not correct", that's where their irrational formula defenses kicked in.<br><br>
During their tirade they also tried to tell me that no formula was made from cows milk, and i only had to look at their big, strong healthy sons (true they are big toddlers...but in fact I would say one of them borders on obese, and the other one is actually frequently ill, but that seemed to have slipped her mind at the time), to know that formula is wonderful, and is the best choice anyone can make.<br><br>
After they finished shredding me, I went home and cried, because I don't think there is anything I can do for them because they don't want to know anything but what they think they already know. It helps them get through their day, I know that. But it's hard to sit around with these people knowing they want to be ignorant.<br>
I wouldn't go but I fear turning into a total hermit.<br><br>
Umm...anyway...back to the recall!

 

[alaskan mom]

This is rediculous! What can be done?

 

[KellyK]

seven_lux: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> don't let it get to ya' sweetie. Just remember the source and that some of them may actually have tried and given up because they thought it was too hard and regret it now. Sometimes when I run into those people, the ff is just as good type, I later hear how they tried(?) to BF and I wonder if their vehment defensiveness is a little bit of jealousy because I managed to make it work, where they failed IYKWIM. (and I don't mean the ones who are physically incapable)<br><br>
*edited to add: Isn't diarhia a leading cause of death for infants? If it is shouldn't there be a little more emphasis on that fact? Sheesh.

 

[seven_lux]

thanks for that kellyk.<br><br>
generally I (especially these days) try to stay away from all subjects related to ff'ing. I am happy to talk about bf'ing politely, but when it starts to get off topic i back away.<br>
I don't comment on the mums who ff, and I pretty much do my best to ignore it.<br>
when new mums come and inevitably ff, I say nothing to them either.<br>
it is a lesson I learnt here at mdc, that as much as you might want to, there's no point in saying anything after the fact, it's not the time. It makes sense to me.<br><br>
It is hard though because it seems that no matter where i go, even in a shopping centre if a woman near me has a baby and see's me breastfeeding they feel they MUST tell me why they aren't. even if I don't know how they feed.<br>
I just nod as polite as I can and grit my teeth. you know what, I don't want to know and I didn't ask!! don't tell me!<br>
my partner hears all about it when he gets home and I don't think he believed it half the time, until it happened out of the blue a few times when he was actually with me.<br><br>
A few weeks ago though at my group, I asked a girl with a 5-week-old, who swore black and blue that she sooooo wished she were bf'ing, but her milk just dried up from stress after a week, if she had thought about re-lactating.<br>
Her story quick as a flash turned from so wanting to, to "well, actually no I didn't really like it that much anyway and I don't really want to do that".)<br><br>
yes. that is more like it in the circle i travel in <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I struggle with the best way to be a lactivist. I have come to the conclusion for the time being that I will do my best to support those mums-to-be who express an interest in bf'ing, and those new mums who are trying. forget the rest.<br>
it weighs you down after a while. at least it does to me anyway.

 

[alaskan mom]