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<a href="http://parentingsolved.typepad.com/parenting_solved/2007/03/nestles_probiot.html" target="_blank">http://parentingsolved.typepad.com/p...s_probiot.html</a><br><br>
It's been available for fifteen years outside of the US. Now, there's a market in the US for formula with probiotics, so they're introducing it here. Get ready to argue with ff'ers that bm is still better. Note: it's a powdered formula. Ahem.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hammer.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hammer">
 

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"It’s felt that much of the breast-fed baby’s wellness is tied to this population of colonic critters. L. bifidus is known to help with the synthesis of vitamins B & K as well as improve the absorption of other minerals. Immune enhancing benefits including improved release of IgA in the intestinal tract and suppression of intestinal pathogens are among its attributes."<br><br><br>
I am SOOOOOO impressed! Still doesn't account for all the babies they kill each year.
 

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Wow, they never stop trying, do they? Trying to kill off the world's babies, one formula at a time!
 

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Even if they proved that formula is more nutritious than human milk (not saying they ever could, but even if), I would still breastfeed, because people first, then things. Bottles are things, breastfeeding is warm, loving, safe, human contact. To me, that is the difference that will never be touched.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's like watching someone try to reinvent the wheel.</div>
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Im really gunna have to disagree its more like watching someone trying to create a better molecular composition for <b><span>AIR</span></b>...........
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Even if they proved that formula is more nutritious than human milk (not saying they ever could, but even if), I would still breastfeed, because people first, then things. Bottles are things, breastfeeding is warm, loving, safe, human contact. To me, that is the difference that will never be touched.</div>
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Hehehe...I'm a Suze Orman fan, so I got a chuckle outta this one. You forgot to add the part about money. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake"> What a horrible thing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake"> What a horrible thing.</div>
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Better formula is a <i>good</i> thing. <b>Advertising</b> formula is a horrible thing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Better formula is a <i>good</i> thing. <b>Advertising</b> formula is a horrible thing.</div>
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Now that's one of the best posts about formula I've ever seen!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Im really gunna have to disagree its more like watching someone trying to create a better molecular composition for <b><span>AIR</span></b>...........</div>
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What...you have something against powdered air? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> exactly.
 

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As per the User Agreement, we do not host discussions on the merits of formula, period.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Better formula is a <i>good</i> thing. <b>Advertising</b> formula is a horrible thing.</div>
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That touches on my main point: it's <i>not</i> a <b>new</b> formula. It's been in 30 countries - which don't allow for formula advertising - for fifteen years. It's been withheld from <i>only</i> the US market because they say there "hasn't been a market." However, the US is the only country where they <i>can</i> manipulate the market through advertising.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br>
And another thing - it may not be better after all. Probiotics in powdered from are not as effective as refridgerated probiotics. However, there is no mention of that in the advertising. There is no mention that breastmilk is the <i>best</i> probiotic available to babies. Where is the proof that the "natural cultures" are live cultures? The advertising is misleading in that it may suggest to some mothers who don't understand probiotics that this formula has something that breastmilk does <b>not</b> have. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nono.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nono"> Not true!<br><br>
That's what we need to be prepared to educate the public on. Grrr. Bad, bad marketing departments!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/soapbox.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="soapbox">
 

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Oh, absolutely, Allie. I was just responding to the point, not suggesting this was 'better' at all. (But if it was, that would be good! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)<br><br>
I was at the vet the other day, & saw the cans of kitten formula. I mused about a world where people <i>assumed</i> kittens required formula, & that most cats wouldn't be able to nurse. Seems silly, doesn't it? Sigh.<br><br>
(There's a good compromise- no prescription, but go to the doctor's office to buy it off the shelf. Reinforce that it serves a medical need, but it's not an <i>option</i>- anymore than deciding to pluck the kittens off a cat's teats & bottlefeed then is considered a sane 'option'. I never quite 'get' people who can't understand that concept. Milk for mammals! Biology 101!)
 

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I've used probiotics for myself for years and I'd never buy unrefrigerated products.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That touches on my main point: it's <i>not</i> a <b>new</b> formula. It's been in 30 countries - which don't allow for formula advertising - for fifteen years. It's been withheld from <i>only</i> the US market because they say there "hasn't been a market." However, the US is the only country where they <i>can</i> manipulate the market through advertising.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br>
And another thing - it may not be better after all. Probiotics in powdered from are not as effective as refridgerated probiotics. However, there is no mention of that in the advertising. There is no mention that breastmilk is the <i>best</i> probiotic available to babies. Where is the proof that the "natural cultures" are live cultures? The advertising is misleading in that it may suggest to some mothers who don't understand probiotics that this formula has something that breastmilk does <b>not</b> have. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nono.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nono"> Not true!<br><br>
That's what we need to be prepared to educate the public on. Grrr. Bad, bad marketing departments!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/soapbox.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="soapbox"></div>
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I was under the impression that other countries have much LESS restriction on formula ads than we do - like the UK can say "just like breast milk" or some sugh claim but the US can't because formula is manufactured and marketed like a drug here. MY bro works with the FDA and has a lot of info on this (though he says formula is unhealthy and points to the # of times it's been recalled).
 

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Actually, hasn't the UK stomped on that false advertising recently? I know that there was a thread here about that.<br><br>
From what I've read, formula in the US is rather less regulated than cough syrup. It is NOT treated like a medical substance at all--else it would require a prescription, and to the best of my knowledge, the FDA does NOT regulate Foods.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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False advertising is a horrible thing. State that it might be healthier for those babies who need to be formula fed, but to imply that it's equal to humanmilk is the core LIE at the heart of all their advertising.
 

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I'll ask my bro again - he was very specific that formula is regulated, manufactured as a drug in the US and he sent me links to the FDA, but they're long...but regulated and marketing like a drug doesn't mean it has to be a prescription. I think it would be great if it was - it would put IBM back into the category that it belongs, that of a stop-gap for absolute medical necessity rather than a "lifestyle choice"!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think it would be great if it was (available by perscription) - it would put IBM back into the category that it belongs, that of a stop-gap for absolute medical necessity rather than a "lifestyle choice"!</div>
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It really bugs me the people that don't even try to BF. They went through all the trouble of creating a baby and nourishing it internally for 9mth but then stop when the nourishment suddenly comes out their breasts verses the placenta. I really don't see the difference between the two, its the moms job to provide nourishment for their babe even after the birth else your body would not make milk. Why would any mom (unless they absolutely had to) give anything but the best to their child? It just seems as simple as that to me even after 14mths of EPing for hours a day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:
 
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