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[best Tom Petty voice]<br><br>
And I'm free, free fallin'.....<br><br>
"For the first time in the poll, Bush’s approval rating has sunk below 40 percent, while the percentage believing the country is heading in the right direction has dipped below 30 percent. In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress, and just 29 percent think Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is qualified to serve on the nation’s highest court.<br><br>
"Any way you slice this data, I think these are just terrible sets of numbers," said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.<br><br>
"The poll shows that Bush’s approval rating stands at 39 percent, a new low for the president. In the last NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, which was released in mid-September, 40 percent approved of Bush’s job performance while 55 percent disapproved. In addition, just 28 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction, another all-time low in Bush’s presidency."<br><br>
More here:<br><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/</a>
 

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Does it matter? He's still sittin' in the big chair making the decisions. I don't see his cronies putting any effort into distancing themselves from his ideology, which is far more dangerous than he is as an individual. I don't even see it hurting another Republican bid for the presidency as America takes giant leaps to the right.
 

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I fell in to a burning ring of fire<br>
I went down,down,down<br>
and the flames went higher.<br>
And it burns,burns,burns<br>
the ring of fire<br>
the ring of fire.
 

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Are people finally waking up?! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Does it matter? He's still sittin' in the big chair making the decisions. I don't see his cronies putting any effort into distancing themselves from his ideology, which is far more dangerous than he is as an individual. I don't even see it hurting another Republican bid for the presidency as America takes giant leaps to the right.</div>
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It kinda matters......<br><br>
"In addition, with 13 months until the 2006 congressional elections, <b>48 percent say they prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress</b>, compared with 39 percent who want the Republicans to control Capitol Hill. In fact, that nine-point difference is the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC/Journal poll has been tracking this question."<br><br>
From:<br><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/</a><br><br>
Now, whether the Democratics can get their act together to make the currents trends mean something in 2006 and 2008 is a different matter. Throw in an indictment or two out of the Plame investigation, more Delay ethical woes (the Delay-Jack Abramoff nexis will be bigger deal than the current Texas standoff), more challenges for Dr. Frist via the SEC, who knows, maybe the Democrats will have enough stones to ante up with some vision.
 

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I sure hope that you are right RD. I still haven't seen the Abramoff thing hit the big time like I think it should. I mean, I'm keeping up with it, but I'm not your average Joe. I know it's picking up snow as it rolls though. Dude is one nasty character.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">[best Tom Petty voice]<br><br>
And I'm free, free fallin'.....<br></div>
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Good impersonation - I could hear him very clearly from here!
 

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From today's WSJ review of the poll:<br><br>
"Looming over Mr. Bush's second term is what Mr. McInturff calls a "very difficult, sour" public mood. Just 28% of Americans say the nation is heading in "the right direction," the lowest figure in nearly 10 years, according to the Journal/NBC survey.<br><br>
"The biggest cloud may be the war in Iraq. By 58%-34%, Americans say U.S. troop levels should be reduced once elections scheduled for December are held, up from 48%-42% before the previous elections in January. A 51% majority says removing Saddam Hussein from power hasn't been worth its human and financial costs, and 56% feel less confident the war will end successfully.<br><br>
"Part of the public gloom comes from unhappiness over recent gasoline-price increases. More than six in 10 Americans say "the worst is still ahead" on that front, while fewer than one in 10 believe "we have turned the corner" or will do so soon.<br><br>
"Republicans have been hurt by ethical questions surrounding some prominent party leaders in Washington. Fully 65% of Americans polled -- including half of Republicans -- say recent charges against former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicate "potential illegal activity," far outpacing the 24% who call indictments again him a "partisan political charge." By 57% to 28%, Americans express the same view about stock sales by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist."<br><br>
More here:<br><a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB112916751200067402.html?mod=todays_free_feature" target="_blank">http://online.wsj.com/public/article...s_free_feature</a>
 

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It is time for the despiseOmeter <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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Forget it. Negative polls are just a liberal plot. No one pay attention to them. If the sample size is less than 250 million people, then the poll is biased.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Forget it. Negative polls are just a liberal plot. No one pay attention to them. If the sample size is less than 250 million people, then the poll is biased.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">The last several presidents all had approval ratings below 40% during sometime in their presidency, even Clinton did.</div>
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actually, clinton's approval ratings never dropped below 40, were at 40 in maybe one poll, one time, and were even at 70 during his bullpoop impeachment hearings. furthermore, he left office with the highest approval rating-high 60's- of any president ever.<br><br>
mama g, resident pollster
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The last several presidents all had approval ratings below 40% during sometime in their presidency, even Clinton did.</div>
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You sure?<br><br>
"During his career, Clinton's approval hit bottom during the long hangover from the 1990-91 recession (43 percent in June 1993) and topped out shortly after the Lewinsky scandal broke (69 percent in January 1998)."<br><br>
From:<br><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90032&page=1" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90032&page=1</a><br><br>
Anyhoo, more piling on from the folkks at Pew:<br><br><b>Plurality Now Sees Bush Presidency as Unsuccessful</b><br><br>
"President George W. Bush's poll numbers are going from bad to worse. His job approval rating has fallen to another new low, as has public satisfaction with national conditions, which now stands at just 29%. And for the first time since taking office in 2001, a plurality of Americans believe that George W. Bush will be viewed as an unsuccessful president.<br><br>
"About four-in-ten (41%) say that, in the long run, Bush will be an unsuccessful president, up from 27% in January and the highest percentage expressing that view since he took office. About a quarter (26%) believe Bush will be successful * down 10 points since January * while 30% say it is too early to tell.<br><br>
"The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Oct. 6-10 among 1,500 adults, finds the president beset by problems on multiple fronts. The president's overall job approval rating has slipped to 38%. And on a number of issues, ranging from the federal budget deficit to relations with U.S. allies, majorities or pluralities say that Bush's policies have made things worse, not better."<br><br>
More here:<br><a href="http://people-press.org/reports/print.php3?PageID=1004" target="_blank">http://people-press.org/reports/print.php3?PageID=1004</a>
 

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<a href="http://www.cookpolitical.com/column/1999/061299.php" target="_blank">http://www.cookpolitical.com/column/1999/061299.php</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why does it always come back to Clinton?<br><br>
Seriously, I want to know.</div>
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Me, too. Seriously.<br><br>
Let's judge a president by their own merits. Even if Clinton has the exact same poll numbers that Bush has now, what does it matter as a reflection of Bush's presidency? If Clinton was so horrible why does the right keep comparing Bush to him? I mean Bush is supposed to be wonderful so why not compare him to another wonderful president like Reagan? Why not say Reagan even had bad poll numbers?<br><br>
I mean I could present my biased liberal version of the right wing opinion which is Bush is actually responsible for nothing apparently while Clinton has ruined everything for the country and is responsible for everything. But I know that's not really how the right feels. Which of course doesn't explain why they bring Clinton up all of the time.
 

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Tom Tomorrow on the GOP meltdown-<br><br><a href="http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=19725" target="_blank">http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=19725</a>
 

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Thanks beccaboomom.<br><br>
Now, pertinent piece that explaints the flurry of under 40% approval ratings Dubya has been getting this past month....<br><br><b>Scandals Take Toll On Bush's 2nd Term</b><br><br>
"A series of scandals involving some of the most powerful Republicans in Washington have converged to disrupt President Bush's agenda, distract aides and allies, and exacerbate political problems for an already weakened administration, according to party strategists and White House advisers.<br><br>
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"Most of the scandals have little direct connection with one another, but their accumulation in a compressed period has challenged a White House already beset by political problems stemming from the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina and high gasoline prices, according to Republican advisers close to the Bush team, several of whom said they could speak candidly only if they were not identified by name.<br><br>
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Beyond the short-term problems, Republicans are particularly anxious about the sprawling investigations of conservative lobbyist Jack Abramoff, whose business and political dealings regularly brought him into contact with dozens of lawmakers and top White House officials. Among insiders, he was one of the most familiar faces among the generation of operatives and lobbyists who came of age when Republicans took control of Congress after the 1994 elections.<br><br>
"Coming off the Clinton years, which were dominated by seven independent counsel investigations and the impeachment of the president, Bush vowed to run a cleaner and more ethical Washington. "In my administration," <b>Bush told voters in Pittsburgh in October 2000, "we will ask not only what is legal but what is right, not what the lawyers allow but what the public deserves</b>."<br><br>
More here:<br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301955_pf.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...301955_pf.html</a><br><br>
Could it be that many independents (and some GOP backers) who bought what Dubya and pals were selling way back when are finally seeing what they're made of?
 
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