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From a discussion of the book in <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030908-480226,00.html" target="_blank">Time magazine</a><br><br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Posner elaborates in startling detail how U.S. interrogators used drugs—an unnamed "quick-on, quick-off" painkiller and Sodium Pentothal, the old movie truth serum—in a chemical version of reward and punishment to make Zubaydah talk. When questioning stalled, according to Posner, cia men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions.<br><br>
Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do." The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd's and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002. To the amazement of the U.S., the numbers proved valid. When the fake inquisitors accused Zubaydah of lying, he responded with a 10-minute monologue laying out the Saudi-Pakistani-bin Laden triangle.<br></td>
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So going into Iraq was a lot like the drunk who drops his keys in a dark alley but looks for them under the street lamp... cuz it's easier to see.
 

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kama'aina mama:<br>
"So going into Iraq was a lot like the drunk who drops his keys in a dark alley but looks for them under the street lamp... cuz it's easier to see."<br><br>
You are killin' me over here, woman...I laughed out loud when I read that and it's so true. You do have a way with words, my friend. Thank you.<br><br>
Hilary:<br>
How do I contact you? You don't seem to be PM-able?<br><br>
...Joyce in the mts.
 

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I wouldn't worry about that Hilary. Sometimes there just isn't much else to say. In this case all I really have is "yup, knew that!" and "Gee, I guess us filthy peacenik hippies were right all along."
 

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See, now, is this why there's all those blacked-out pages in that report? Is Posner's information related to that information?<br><br>
I'm not being facetious, really wondering if he has the same information that we're not finding out or new information that Congress wasn't finding out about either or ... just wondering.<br><br>
Heard him on NPR last week, but only caught the end of the interview, sounded very interesting ...
 

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That seems to be the concensus amongst those in the know Amy. That the blackouts are to protect our "friends" the Saudis. It's a filthy business.
 

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Yeah, I know about the black-outs protecting the Saudis. But is Posner saying that he's presenting the blacked-out information? Or is he saying this is something different? Or is he saying that he even knows what the blacked-out information is?<br><br>
I'm just really wanting to know about that blacked-out information, ain't I.<br><br>
Ain't we all.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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I read that and sat here <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jammin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="jammin"> (nodding in agreement)..........<br><br><br>
But, then reality set in.<br><br><br>
We ARE well informed. As well informed as we *choose* to be.<br><br>
Right?<br><br>
Millions of us ( not just voters) were well informed enough to protest Iraq and we were brushed aside like the dandruff on Shrub's jacket.<br><br>
2,700,000 of us were well informed enough to vote for Nadar, even tho he wasn't allowed to debate!<br><br>
The problem is all of us who *choose* not to see, not to hear, not to act at all with the exception of putting our head into the sand.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br><br>
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