[Unagidon]

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Today at a press conference, President Bush dismissed these concerns out of hand. Bush said, "You know, I hear people say, Well, civil war this, civil war that. The Iraqi people decided against civil war when they went to the ballot box."

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/07/iraq-civil-war-3/

I think I feel much better now....

 

[RowansDad]

Looks like Dubya ain't too hip to U.S. history.

In November 1860, Lincoln was elected president of the United States.

In December 1860, South Carolina secedes from the Union. With in two months Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas also secede from the Union.

In February 1861 the Confederate States of America is formed. In March 1861 Lincoln is sworn in as 16th President of the United States of America.

On the morning of April 12, 1861, Fort Sumter is attacked by Confederate forces.

The January 2006 elections in Iraq don't mean squat as far as whether Iraq is or isn't engulfed in a civil war.

 

[Danelle78]

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Sounds like he knows his history as well as the SC govie.

 

[Sharlla]

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Originally Posted by RowansDad Looks like Dubya ain't too hip to U.S. history.

Among other things

 

[RowansDad]

More f*cking history to shove down the throats of anyone any MDC readers may run into who buys this f*cking drivel:

"United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.

"According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.

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"A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam."

From:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/vietnam.asp

 

[mahdokht]

Don't worry, US/Israel is bombing democracy in and terrorism out of Lebanon. I'm sure we'll see equally heartening results of that campaign. Democracy is bursting out all over.

 

[Kaitnbugsmom]

how can it be a civil war? a civil war is a nation at war with itself. Iraq is at war with itself, it's neighbors are at war with us and using their land and masquerading as Iraqis and contractors in order to enter the country and carry out attacks on our troops, contractors and anyone seen as a sympathizer to the US or anything that resembles a truly free Iraq. Honestly?

 

[Hilary Briss]

Er, what?

Bush's place in history: first American president to start a civil war in another country.

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[Kaitnbugsmom]

not really. but again, that depends on your definitions. that whole Vietnamese spy program thing didn't exactly end well either, and that was started under FDR..

 

[lisalou]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5257394.stm

If you can, watch the interview. I think King Abdullah is amazingly eloquent. I heard the interview on BBC yesterday and at the end of it they asked him about Rice's comment of a "new middle east" and he replied that what we see now is the new middle east. Extremely depressing really.

 

[Thao]

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Originally Posted by Kaitnbugsmom not really. but again, that depends on your definitions. that whole Vietnamese spy program thing didn't exactly end well either, and that was started under FDR..

I'm dying to know what "that Vietnamese spy program thing" is. Back when FDR was president, Vietnam was a French colony (later occupied by the Japanese during WWII). He died before Ho Chi Minh took power in the North.

I'm also wondering why you deny that Iraqis are fighting Iraqis when even the former Prime Minister Allawi is calling it a civil war?

 

[RowansDad]

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Originally Posted by Thao I'm dying to know what "that Vietnamese spy program thing" is. Back when FDR was president, Vietnam was a French colony (later occupied by the Japanese during WWII). He died before Ho Chi Minh took power in the North. I'm also wondering why you deny that Iraqis are fighting Iraqis when even the former Prime Minister Allawi is calling it a civil war?

Maybe she's mistaken Ike for FDR?

Also, don't forget the observation of some U.S. servicefolk....

Iraqi civil war has already begun, U.S. troops say

"While American politicians and generals in Washington debate the possibility of civil war in Iraq, many U.S. officers and enlisted men who patrol Baghdad say it has already begun.

"Army troops in and around the capital interviewed in the last week cite a long list of evidence that the center of the nation is coming undone: Villages have been abandoned by Sunni and Shiite Muslims; Sunni insurgents have killed thousands of Shiites in car bombings and assassinations; Shiite militia death squads have tortured and killed hundreds, if not thousands, of Sunnis; and when night falls, neighborhoods become open battlegrounds.

"There's one street that's the dividing line. They shoot mortars across the line and abduct people back and forth," said 1st Lt. Brian Johnson, a 4th Infantry Division platoon leader from Houston. Johnson, 24, was describing the nightly violence that pits Sunni gunmen from Baghdad's Ghazaliyah neighborhood against Shiite gunmen from the nearby Shula district."

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"The bodies of captured Sunni and Shiite fighters will turn up in the morning, dropped in canals and left on the side of the road."

From:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwash...printstory.jsp

 

[MountainLaurel]

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Originally Posted by Thao I'm dying to know what "that Vietnamese spy program thing" is. Back when FDR was president, Vietnam was a French colony (later occupied by the Japanese during WWII). He died before Ho Chi Minh took power in the North.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel...gon/pent1.html