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Heard this story on NPR this morning and I'm appalled.<br><br><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5251008" target="_blank">New Hampshire seeks to change child support formulas</a><br><br>
The basic idea is that any parenting time the non-custodial parent spends with the child will reduce child support incrementally.<br><br>
The reasons I find it appalling:<br>
No consideration for whether the child actually BENEFITS by having split custody.<br>
No concern for the fact that parenting time should be more than a financial break.<br>
No concern that child support is for the care and welfare of children.<br>
The basic assumption that paying child support is a benefit TO the mother, rather than FOR the child.<br>
No accounting for differences in income, which we all know women have lower salaries for men, lose at a minimum months and often years of seniority, experience, etc. in the care of children.<br>
Discourages consideration of teh child's age/needs/attachments etc. (I can only imagine how breastfeeding would be treated under this system...it's already used to accuse mom's of "breastfeeding just to keep the child from his/her father" now it would also be "just to keep child support" :puke<br>
With the usual no fault divorce laws, it means that a parent can walk out of marriage, for no reason and with the non-divorce seeking party having no say, and can get 50/50 placement and no child support. God, that is so so frightening, there goes the family structure.<br><br>
I know my dad would have spent tons in court to try my mom for joint if he could have not paid child support, and I know that I would have suffered. My younger half sister had 50/50 placement and ended up a career-less, living at home at 24yo lost soul.<br><br>
Not the story I wanted to hear on International Women's Day.<br><br>
Jennifer
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I know my dad would have spent tons in court to try my mom for joint if he could have not paid child support, and I know that I would have suffered.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> That is ridiculous, next these guys will be asking to be paid to babysit their own children
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">:<br><br>
my ex the other day : "hey do you think I can get some money from you when you get my tax return next week?"<br><br>
me: "um, no"<br><br>
ex: "but, why, it's just like free money, right"<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake">
 

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And on that line...<br><br>
(During Master's hearing to address stbx's request to reduce CS that he hasn't been paying anyway):<br><br>
Ex: How much money did YOU get on your tax return for 2004?<br><br>
Me: $3,000<br><br>
Ex: I got nothing - because AGAIN, my return was taken to pay back child support! As it has been since 1998 and will be for the next 20 years!<br><br>
(Note: our son was born in 2003)<br><br>
Can you just picture the Master crying in pity for stbx? Oh, wait, no maybe that was me... no... no... um, my lawyer? Nope, not him either.
 

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Thats just stupid! Are they gonna increase cs if they dont spend any time with their child? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Oregon already has this. And it sucks. NCP's get a credit for spending X amount of time with the kids. In my case, he is a stated 33% parent, meaning he gets 33% of the combined childsupport. Never mind the fact that he only spends 22 nights a year with the kids.<br><br><br>
I am not bitching too much, based on my last CS hearing, he has to pay 2796.00 a month in CS. It would be more like 4K a month otherwise. (he makes over 125K a year, do not feel sorry for the man)<br><br><br>
Who I do feel for are the CP's of emotionally deadbeat NCP's who do not make the bookoo bucks. If the gross support is supposed to be 500.00 and the NCP gets a time credit of 30-50% then the CP only gets 70-50% of the support. (or 350to 250 of the gross support.)<br><br><br>
The fact that the time credit is always inforced in money, but NEVER inforced in the actual overnights the children are at the NCP's house. I think this is a very unfair law.
 

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<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS';">Reading that and not knowing all the facts, I find it pretty appalling. Men are always whining about something. I’m so sick of it. Are there women who misuse CS given to them? Absolutely. But there are SCORES of women who don’t and need every last penny. Time with the father for a child, although beneficial if it’s a GOOD father, isn’t paying the bills and helping the financial obligations of the mother. I can think of all the jerk men who will take their kids just to not have to pay as much and it WILL be the child that suffers in the end so they can save a few $$$. Ugh.</span>
 

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Well, I think it's a good idea, just not the way they do it. They need to take into consideration who pays most of the bills (whose name they are in). So if the dad is getting 30% credit now, but only relieves a couple of days of childcare or meals, he should only get like a 10% reduction in child support. And only if these visits are consistant...<br><br>
Hmm, I think it would require a great deal of honesty by both parties, which is not only unlikely, but the legal system is probably not that trusting.<br><br>
Maybe it won't work. Maybe it'll get modified until it does.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hammer.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hammer">
 

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I do get quite a bit in child support. (when he actually pays) Let me break it down for you guys. (i feel the need to justify to you all, but never to him)<br><br><br>
Our mortgage .................................2040/5 = 408 x 2= 916 a month<br>
Electric bill........................................250/5 = 50 x 2= 100 a month<br>
Braces for oldest............................................ .................160 a month<br>
Braces for younger........................................... ................160 a month<br>
Food.............................................. ..800+/5= 160x2= 320 a month Misc. medical costs..........................................50x 2= 100 a month<br><br>
So we spend 1756 a month on the kids without even touching the costs of clothing, transportation, sports, tutors, couseling, school functions, camps, entertainment.<br><br>
Not one dime of their childsupport goes to my pocket. I have a spreadsheet that I mark everything down on and if there is any money left, it gets put in an account for them for later. ( My daughter wants a horse)
 

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Flame me if you must, but I think it sounds great! Maybe my husband would actually spend more time with the kids. He's too preoccupied with other things. If he actually spent money on decent clothing, decent rooms for the kids, decent food, etc.... then yeah, I think he'd deserve a break. That is, if he was paying more than $23 a month in child support TOTAL FOR THREE KIDS. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
Since we're poor anyways, child support isn't a big deal at all. What I care about is the children, and that they see their father on a regular basis.
 

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I just saw this, and that is kinda what my ex wants. He wants the kids every other week so he won't have to pay child support now. Pretty soon, he'll probably try to get sole custody so I have to pay him money. I was a stay at home mom when I was with him and he worked, so when I moved out, I had no money, no job, no car, no nothing. I moved in w/my mom and finally, a year later I'm getting child support (occasionally) Now, I figured it out, since now I need to go back to work, that day care costs about 2 times the cost of the child support he is paying now. That's just for day care!!! LOL so if he took the boys while I worked, it'd be easier, but I'll still have to pay for day care. Why do some men have to be so greedy. Even when the kids aren't there, the mom still has to pay for the home they're in, and all the utility bills while they're gone. That's my problem. How am I going to pay rent, w/o the child support coming in, if he wants the kids every other week so he doesn't have to pay child support?
 

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Well mine hasn't paid child support for at least 6 years and only has sporadic, infrequent visits with DD. I think I want a law that says he has to visit and has to pay because DD really likes him. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !<br><br><br>
I just finished with teh NH custody system. It was hell. 50/50 is the legal standard. The judge ordered my nursing 20mo, his 3yo brother and 6yo sister to spend Weds am - Sat pm with their dad, with no -- NOOOOO -- considerations to be made for nursign. "It seems like it's time to make a weaning plan." Working up to this from Sept - Jan was considered gradual. Adultery charges coupled with ex's gf's pregnancy convinced him to settle with me, but we were ready to go into a breastfeeding civil rights battle.<br><br>
The NH formula is pretty fair, IMO. I see massssssive problems with the above -- do you know what can be done, activism-wise, to discourage/end/stop this from manifesting as law?
 

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I haven't read all the replies so sorry if I repeat something.<br>
I have to say I think it COULD be a good thing. For instance, my dad. It would have been a perfect setup for him. Not because he's a deadbeat dad and refuses to pay CS but because of his line of work. He's broke! and has been since he began working. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Had this been an option my mom would not have been able to financially rape him like she has done over the years (my dad had custody of me and pays CS for my younger brothers). I think it should be one of those things that is on a case by case basis. Dads who refuse to pay just cause they don't think they should would not qualify. Maybe there needs to be an application/qualification process for it? I do think it could be beneficial to all parties involved in some cases. I had no idea it was in effect in my state! I had no idea something like this exsited.
 

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I confess I'm not a single mama and so don't usually hang out here (though I am a family lawyer), but ran across this post and wanted to mention that on the same day, New Hampshire Public Radio also broadcast a news story that an economist who had been hired by a legislative committee to devise a new formula for calculating child support was let go... after it was discovered that he had been jailed for failure to pay child support. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I confess I'm not a single mama and so don't usually hang out here (though I am a family lawyer), but ran across this post and wanted to mention that on the same day, New Hampshire Public Radio also broadcast a news story that an economist who had been hired by a legislative committee to devise a new formula for calculating child support was let go... after it was discovered that he had been jailed for failure to pay child support. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/ROTFLMAO.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rotflmao"> Oh cr8p - I needed that! Sometimes, life is actually a little funny (I'm ignoring for a second the incredible waste of tax money, and just focussing on the sweet, sweet irony <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> )
 

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I got a big chuckle out of that quote <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 
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