[faithnj]

Okay. I've got my DD nicely trained during the day. (Although we are going through a transition from being naked to wearing underwear.) But I want to get out of using diapers at night, so she won't think that when she has something on her bottom, it's okay to pee in it. What does it take to acheive night dryness? Is it just something the kid does automatically? Does it take a certain bladder size or age? Is it reasonable to wake them up in the middle of the night to go potty? Can you leave them naked on a pile of cloth diapers or something, and expect that they won't revert to peeing on themselves? I'm asking because right now, it just looks like what we do at night contradicts what we tell her to do during the day.<br><br>
Faith

 

[bobandjess99]

My dd, 22 months, who is NOT yet day-trained, is dry at night. She just started this within the last 2 weeks. She goes to sleep in a fresh cloth dipey, but wakes up dry....she usually pees within a few minutes of getting up (like most adults do, lol.)<br><br>
If she is daytrained and understands, I think it would be okay to not use a dipey at night, and get her up to pee. I have a pee-pad on dd's bed, and then a fleece blanket over it.....if I thought and accident was likely to happen, i woudl maybe even double-layer it...the fleece will contain the wetness, you can strip it off and put another blankey on, if necesary...you can also try limiting liquids before bed, to decrease the need to go at night.

 

[Jenelle]

Faith, IMO, what you are expecting is completely unreasonable.<br><br>
My 5-year-old, who is going to kindergarten in a couple weeks, still wears GoodNites because he sleeps for 10-12 hours and simply doesn't wake up to pee. He doesn't wet them every single night, but about the time we go with just undies, then we are up changing sheets in the middle of the night. He goes every night before bed, and as soon as he gets up in the morning, but he must be a hard sleeper because he just doesn't wake up until it is too late in the night. And there is no way I am getting up and prompting him to go!<br><br>
My son Eli is only 9 days younger than Dharma, and I am not even <i>thinking</i> about potty training yet. Let alone night dryness!<br><br>
Have you read some books on this subject?

 

[faithnj]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Faith, IMO, what you are expecting is completely unreasonable.<br><br>
My 5-year-old, who is going to kindergarten in a couple weeks, still wears GoodNites because he sleeps for 10-12 hours and simply doesn't wake up to pee. He doesn't wet them every single night, but about the time we go with just undies, then we are up changing sheets in the middle of the night. He goes every night before bed, and as soon as he gets up in the morning, but he must be a hard sleeper because he just doesn't wake up until it is too late in the night. And there is no way I am getting up and prompting him to go!<br><br>
My son Eli is only 9 days younger than Dharma, and I am not even <i>thinking</i> about potty training yet. Let alone night dryness!<br><br>
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Thanks, but not only have I read books on the subject, Dharma is already potty trained during the day. There's a "window of opportunity" for potty training that opens up at about 18 months-- Dharma was strongly interested at 17 months, so I went with it. Now, at 19 months, I have a child who doesn't even bother to come to me to say she has to go potty. She just goes on her own, gives herself a cheer, then carries the pot to the toilet, dumps the waste in, and flushes. (I supervise the waste dumping for the sake of the carpets.)<br><br>
Otherwise, I understand what you are saying about having a 5 year old who still wets the bed. But there are definitely children who wake up dry at or around this time. And there are some mothers who don't provide drinks after 6, or who simply wake up in the middle of the night, put their children on the pot, and then put them back to bed. I don't know what's going to be the best choice for DD. Right now, I suspect that she can't stay dry at night, because she doesn't stay dry during naps. (However, I called a girlfriend this afternoon, and she told me that at her daycare they simply wake the kids up in the middle of a 2 hour nap, put them on the pot, and then put them back to sleep-- so I'm going to try that now.)<br><br>
Whatever the case will be with night training-- whether she's dry at night by 20 months, 24 months, or not dry at all till 7 years, I figure it doesn't hurt to ask some mom's who've already BTDT. So for those who have BTDT, bring on the stories! I'm always interested in hearing how things worked for others!<br><br>
Faith

 

[True Blue]

My kids simply did it on their own, when they were ready. DD is dry now at 21 months at night, and so was DS. But, then DS started wetting occasionally later on. We put him on the toilet before we go to bed each night and that does it for him. I don't really believe in withholding fluids from my children, that just seems plain mean to me. If you're thirsty, you need a drink! Whether or not one's bladder has developed enough to handle the fluid at night is not relevant to whether or not one should be denied the right to a drink.

 

[Faerieshadow]

It is not unreasonable at all. A lot of kids start staying dry at night at early ages. Some don't, but a lot do. My almost 2 year old stays dry for 10-12 hours without a problem, and pees within a few minutes of getting up. He has also been using the potty on his own for months now - his decision, not mine. I know from reading this forum, and more specifically the potty training tribe, that Faith has done a lot of research, and more importantly, followed her daughter's cues on the whole potty issue - right on! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
What I would suggest is perhaps starting to go nakey-bum at night. Protect the bed just in case. You will get a much better idea of her nighttime peeing habits if it isn't staying safely inside a dipe, kwim? I don't remember if you cosleep, I suppose this would be harder if you don't. Anyway, you'd be able to tell if she's peeing frequently at night still, or if she might be ready for a potty trip during the night. FWIW, people who EC potty their dc at night on a regular basis, it certainly isn't a detrimental thing to do if you are willing to do it.

 

[faithnj]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My dd, 22 months, who is NOT yet day-trained, is dry at night. She just started this within the last 2 weeks. She goes to sleep in a fresh cloth dipey, but wakes up dry....she usually pees within a few minutes of getting up (like most adults do, lol.)<br><br>
If she is daytrained and understands, I think it would be okay to not use a dipey at night, and get her up to pee. I have a pee-pad on dd's bed, and then a fleece blanket over it.....if I thought and accident was likely to happen, i woudl maybe even double-layer it...the fleece will contain the wetness, you can strip it off and put another blankey on, if necesary...you can also try limiting liquids before bed, to decrease the need to go at night.</div>
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Thanks, Jess.<br><br>
You aren't the only one I've heard say their child is already waking up dry! Isn't that incredible????<br><br>
In our case, Dharma is day-trained very well, and even understands the concepts of keeping her pants dry vs. wet. But she pees during naps and at night. Though frankly, if she is getting up dry and then peeing before she calls me to come get her-- I wouldn't know. I wake up before her, but I never think to check her diaper until she wakes up and calls me. <i>Gotta remember to check her diaper tomorrow, before she wakes</i>. Aside from that, I've heard of people limiting fluids after I think it's 6:30, and also waking kids up at the middle of the night to go potty. I'm thinking about doing that-- but I'm so used to sleeping through the night. And I can't imagine what she's gonna think the first time I wake <i>her</i> up in the middle of the night!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: That girl likes her beauty sleep. Still, you don't know how anything is gonna go until you try it.<br><br>
Thanks for the advice.<br><br>
Faith

 

[faithnj]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">...... I don't really believe in withholding fluids from my children, that just seems plain mean to me. If you're thirsty, you need a drink! Whether or not one's bladder has developed enough to handle the fluid at night is not relevant to whether or not one should be denied the right to a drink.</div>
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<b><br>
You know, I kind of feel the way you do on that subject.</b> However, I suppose it might just be a matter of not offering a drink after 6:30, rather than denying a drink that's asked for. Who knows? Maybe these mom's who do this have well hydrated kids before 6:30? Or maybe they're just plain mean. I'll try not offering, and see what Dharma asks for.<br><br>
Faith

 

[Faerieshadow]

An alternative to going nakey bum at night (and having less to clean up if she does pee) would be putting a fitted on, one that isn't so absorbant that you can't tell right away if she pees.<br><br>
With us, I just noticed that ds's dipes were very warm like he had just gone in the morning, and there was only one pee's worth - so I gambled and went nakey bum or sometimes he'll wear his undies. It was strange, too, because he went from having massive pee dipes overnight to holding it until he woke up.

 

[faithnj]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It is not unreasonable at all. A lot of kids start staying dry at night at early ages. Some don't, but a lot do. My almost 2 year old stays dry for 10-12 hours without a problem, and pees within a few minutes of getting up. He has also been using the potty on his own for months now - his decision, not mine. I know from reading this forum, and more specifically the potty training tribe, that Faith has done a lot of research, and more importantly, followed her daughter's cues on the whole potty issue - right on! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
What I would suggest is perhaps starting to go nakey-bum at night. Protect the bed just in case. You will get a much better idea of her nighttime peeing habits if it isn't staying safely inside a dipe, kwim? I don't remember if you cosleep, I suppose this would be harder if you don't. Anyway, you'd be able to tell if she's peeing frequently at night still, or if she might be ready for a potty trip during the night. FWIW, people who EC potty their dc at night on a regular basis, it certainly isn't a detrimental thing to do if you are willing to do it.</div>
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Thanks, Fairie!<br>
Wow. Seek and ye shall find!!!!!<br><br>
Right now I don't co-sleep. (Previously DD hated co-sleeping. But last month she did it when we took her camping.) If DD is willing to sleep in our bed tonight without a fuss, I'll try it a few nights and see if I can parce out what her night time habits are.<br><br>
Thanks for the tip!<br><br>
Faith

 

[Faerieshadow]

Oh, heck, might as well post one more time. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> We not only don't deny ds fluids after a certain time, he nurses a couple times at night too. It hasn't affected anything, although sometimes he stays awake a little longer than usual until he gets a last good pee out. He's gotten pretty good at letting me know what he wants in this whole potty learning game. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">

 

[faithnj]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">......With us, I just noticed that ds's dipes were very warm like he had just gone in the morning, and there was only one pee's worth - so I gambled and went nakey bum or sometimes he'll wear his undies. It was strange, too, because he went from having massive pee dipes overnight to holding it until he woke up.</div>
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That is just amazing. Right now, by the time DD calls me in the morning, it's massive pee dipes all the way! But to think that some children start holding their urine during the night just to stay dry on instinct is just <i>truly amazing</i>. I mean I'm sure some people just think "no big deal." But when it comes to what these little ones can do-- even the little things-- I often think "Will wonders ever cease?" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Faith

 

[faithnj]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh, heck, might as well post one more time. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">We not only don't deny ds fluids after a certain time, he nurses a couple times at night too. It hasn't affected anything, although sometimes he stays awake a little longer than usual until he gets a last good pee out. He's gotten pretty good at letting me know what he wants in this whole potty learning game. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></td>
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Glad you posted this information. This is <i><span style="text-decoration:underline;">very</span></i> good to know!<br><br>
Faith

 

[faithnj]

<b>Okay.....it's a bit after 1:20 AM EST, and here's my Progress Report:</b><br><br><b>Nap Time</b>: Gave DD a naked nap time for the very first time. Nap was 3 hours. Woke her up after 1 hour and she cried and did not go potty. But when nap was over-- she was dry for the very....first....time. (Usually, I put a diaper on her for naps, and she always, always pees in it. She has never been dry through a nap.)<br><br><b>Night Time:</b> I went out with a girlfriend for Karaoke night, and DH put baby to bed in a snapped onesie, <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><i>sans diaper, for the first time</i></span>. (He was also instructed to ask DD to go potty before he put her in bed.) I got home a bit after 1 AM, and DD was still dry! I carried the potty to her room, and gently put her on it....she never completely woke up, but she peed in the potty through her sleep. It wasn't as much urine as I expected, so something tells me DD went potty for DH before she was put to bed. Now, I'm dying to see if she's still dry in the morning.<br><br>
I'll check back in with an AM progress report when we wake up.<br><br>
Faith

 

[peilover010202]

Faith, My ds is older than yours (3yo) but in the last month, we decided to start gently guiding him to use the potty by just letting him wear underwear only.<br><br>
He actually has done great and we still put dipes on him at nap and night time, but in the last 2 weeks, they've been dry every time.<br><br>
So, it looks like you are encouraging your dd, but if you are willing to let her do it on her own - I think you'll be surprised. I don't think that they see dipes at nap and bedtime as a contraindication. But, maybe my ds is just a bit older and when we explain that it's just a "safety net" or for an accident, maybe he understands a bit more than an 18 month old. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> I don't know, just wanted to throw it out there.

 

[AutumnMama]

<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> Sounds like things are going well!<br>
FWIW my DD still wets the bed about once a week (sometimes more, sometimes less), she's 4 1/2. DS has been dry at night with very few exceptions since about 24 months old. He still doesn't have daytime down.

 

[mommyto3girls]

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My daughter has been day and nap dry for over a year now (since about 2 1/2, I believe she was ready, infact was dry about 75% of the time right at her 2nd birthday, but then I was in the hospital for almost a month and all was lost) She can not stay dry at night. We have tried waking her at night or even just carrying her to the potty, she gets mean and combative in that semi sleep state. I would never withhold fuild from her, it just sounds mean. I drink whenever I want and often wake in the night to drink a glass of water. DD sleeps with a sippy cup of water and drinks it all almost everynight. I would much rather her drink an extra glass of water each day and deal with wet pull ups, than try to force her body into staying dry. I believe that when her body is ready to stay dry all night then she will be dry. I think that is different for everyone, but imo tryign to force this unaturally (witholding fluids or waking in the middle of the night on parents schedule, not childs) is not respectful of the child.<br><br>
I think trying out sleeping naked or in panties is a great way to judge if she is ready and has been using the diaper for convience in the morning <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> or if her bladder just needs more time.

 

[faithnj]

<b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">UPDATE</span></b><br><br><br><br><b>Okay.....it's a bit after 7:30 AM EST, and here's my Progress Report:</b><br><br><b>Wake Time:</b> 7:00 AM<br>
Drumroll, please.............Annnnnnnnnnnnnd the baby issssss <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><i><b>STILL DRY!!!!</b></i></span><br><br>
Yup, Ladies and Gentlemen.....Little Ms. Dharma has slept the first diaperless, dry night of her life!!! GOOOOOAAAAALLLLL!!!!!<br><br>
Well, it's been an interesting several hours since I came to a diaper usage impass, and decided to experiment with "Night Training." Perhaps what I've got is more "night dryness" than "night training." This experience seemed more like an E.C. way of dealing with going diaperless, rather than what I think of when people say "Night Trained." (Although my girlfriend's mom says she night trained in this manner.) But after reflection, I'm okay with achieving "Night Dryness" at this point. Right now my main goal is to support her daytime dryness, and to put an end to the diaper/underwear confusion. And if this method leads to DD eventually being "Night Trained," then all the better.<br><br>
Somebody mentioned that their 3 year old is not confused by using diapers during naps or during the night-- and then using underwear at other times. Right now, Dharma no longer tells me when she has to use the bathroom all the time. (If she has access to a potty, she just goes for herself.) I think Dharma can only, reliably see a difference between having her bottom covered (and then waking up to find she's eliminated on herself while sleeping or traveling) and then having her bottom uncovered (and not eliminating on herself.) I'd like to transition her from going naked to using underwear, and if she was three, we could probably discuss the differences between diapers and underwear. But considering her age, and the fact that she learned by following examples rather than through explainations-- I think it's just better to leave her understanding at "I no longer eliminate on myself, but use the potty just like the big people." I'm no expert, but I think that simple way of thinking about this is probably more in line with how she came to be potty trained in the first place.<br><br>
Faith

 

[faithnj]

<b>Okay all you moms with babes who are Night Dry-- where are you???</b><br><br>
I've read a few more posts in other places where moms had questions about night training. So far, my method is working nicely for me, and I don't have to limit drinks. But tonight is only the third night. Has anyone else used any other methods?<br><br>
Faith<br><br>
Faith

 

[Changed]

Cole has been night dry for months and months now but I'd never wake up a sleeping baby to put them on the toilet. I think that's ridiculous and not very nice. I'm in the stay out of it and let them do it when they're ready camp though.