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We have formed a habit which includes meals in bed once or twice a night. The reason I'm not just riding it out is because I don't think this is something she came to on her own I think this is something WE created.

OK the begining. Kiana is now almost three and 22 lbs. Me and her father are both small lean people, so I'm not very concerned with her slow growth compared to the chunky formula and junk food toddlers around here. But I have learnt alot about breastfeeding since she was small and know that I could have done better(Thankyou womanly art of breastfeeding!). But I will admit that sometimes I wonder if our choices to be healthy has affected her growth, instead of our chioce to make sure she is gaining well,normal mom doubting I figure...
We breastfed exclusively till she was 8 months when solids began at her own pace of self feeding. We co slept for almost the first year and stopped breastfeeding at about that time too for the (selfish it seems now)sake of my sanity. She also moved into her own crib in her own room which went rather well.
We switched over to bottles for about a year(stopped at 2), mostly just at nap and bed time and once during the night.
Like most todlers there are days she eats great and others when she just isn't as hungry and I believe in letting her feed her level of hungry on demand. But we live rurally and every few weeks we make pretty much a day trip into town. I do my best to encourage her to eat well, pack snacks and meals, take the time to sit down and eat, as well as pit stops for her to unwind and play, but somedays she just doesn't eat much. we always return home by supper and all sit down to eat togather and then unwind till bed time. It started out as her not going to sleep even after a long day of being out and about, not exactly overtired, just very willfull about needing our attention which we give her to a point becasue she can not fall asleep with us in her room anymore. We try to make sure that something obviouse isn't wrong and go through the list of possibilities.
Sometimes she would ask to eat so we would get her a good yet bland snack to fill her hunger but not to encourage the behavior. As we noticed patterns we would go in and ask her on theses busy days if she is hungry. Sometimes after her bed time snack she falls asleep other times she doesn't. Sometimes this would take place at 3-6am at which time I can completely understand her being hungry if she was because I usually am, lol.
Now we are having episodes. Days she won't eat much, then doesn't eat her snack before bed no matter how many time we warn her. And yes she does understand the concept, it doesn't just seem that way. She also knows that she can't play the card right away, because I don't usually give in unless she has been "going to bed" for a while and may be legitamately hungry. I've offered he the bland snacks and even her left over dinner or snack. Sometimes she eats it, and other times she doesn't, then other times it turns into a game of throwing it out the crib then calling us to retrieve it. It's gotten to the point where I actually buy nighttime snacks like fruit bars and she gets on most every night when she goes to bed and alot of times in the early morning. And now it seems like bed time is a battle again every night.

At first I thought that this was just a stage, where she needed the attention, and was actually hungry, but now as she talks more and we are learning just how smart she is, including how she is using this night time feeding crutch to manipulate us during the day as to what she eats. Plus she is sneakily pitting me and DH against eachother, lol because neither of us knows what to do or how to get on the same page and she is milking it for all it's worth to the point where she will stay up just to eat and end up stuffing herself continuously for hours so she doesn't have to go to bed.

If anybody can help us get through this the gentalist way possible while still understanding that we have a child that NEEDS structure, firmness, and consistancy, and NEEDS to know that we will follow through with what we say(otherwise EVERYTHING falls apart) to make her happy. I hate to come across as straying from the natural aspect of parenting and expecting to much of a toddler(which if you met her you would see we don't) but I do need to find a balance where we can meet her real NEEDS, and get back on track after letting our lazyness get this situation out of control.
 

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Another night, another late snack failure right before bed, another meal under the covers, and clean bedding to clean again today because of the mess. ARG I don't know how I'll do all this with a newborn in 2 months
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Hi Mama,
Umm.... I'm not in your situation, so feel free to take what I write with a grain of salt. Why don't you guys have a family meeting and decide on one snack total at night (or no snacks at all) as a family? That way you, DH, and DD are all on the same page with it and it limits your DD's ability to play one side against the other.
She might be playing you guys to see where her limits are, and limits/boundaries are very comforting to a toddler.
Good luck!
~maddymama
 

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Hi Mama,
Umm.... I'm not in your situation, so feel free to take what I write with a grain of salt. Why don't you guys have a family meeting and decide on one snack total at night (or no snacks at all) as a family? That way you, DH, and DD are all on the same page with it and it limits your DD's ability to play one side against the other.
She might be playing you guys to see where her limits are, and limits/boundaries are very comforting to a toddler.
Good luck!
~maddymama
I think it's a great idea but I think we would need it on a nightly basis(between me and DH), we usually always make sure before bed to sit down with her and explain that she won't be getting any snacks in bed so she must eat them now. We usually stay pretty firm in the begining bout after an hour or more either or of us thinks she could actually be hungry. Maybe the problem is right at that point and us failing to communicate?...
But then there are sometime I really do think that even if she didn't eat much that day she is more seeing if we will stick it out, since alot of times alot of the snack isn't even eaten.
Maybe I'm still holding on to some insecurity about her weight, or my abilities to feed her properly, more so because I like to believe in self feeding and having different levels of hungar, where as DH has been getting her to eat more if he feeds it to her spoon by spoon. Which actually kind of irks me because it almost seems like we are regressing after being so consistant for so long.

Kids won't stave themselve right? They'll eat when their hungry? And even if the go a spell without food, so long as she has a good oppertunity consistantly later to eat well for a majority of the day it wouldn't be enough to affect her growth is it?

I used to trust so much in her body telling her and doing what she needs, but now I wonder....
 

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I'm kind of lenient, kind of mean, depending who you listen to on the board


DD (31 mos) needs a "drink and a snack" almost every night if she doesn't eat a good bedtime snack. Not sure how to stem the asking, but switching to water and bland TLC crackers has taken it from every night down to about 3 nights a week. Crackers will stave hunger for a few hours (just ask a newly pg mom), but there is very little mess to deal with (crumbs sweep off of sheets easily, and those TLC crackers aren't very crumbly). They're also not SO tasty that she's excited by them. The other thing is that my DH and I agree on the parameter - water and crackers only, no choices, no fun stuff. If you're truly hungry or thirsty, they will satisfy you. I have a friend who does an insulated sippy of milk only - again, if you're hungry or thirsty, milk will satisfy hunger for a couple hours. The nice thing about deciding what she can have ahead of time means there is no time spent discussing what snack she can have or whether she should have one. Everyone is back to sleep faster that way.

I always put myself in her place, and if I got distracted during the day and forgot to eat and was really hungry at 4 am, I'd want something too. Is it ideal? No. Is toddler behavior ever ideal? Rarely.

However, if she had a habit of throwing them out of her crib (we co-sleep, so this is theoretical), I'd probably hand her the bowl of crackers and water sippy and explain that if it got thrown down, it wasn't coming back. That tends to work with my daughter, even though she is spirited in many ways.

Oh, some days the entire portion of crackers is eaten, sometimes not even one. I figure that sometimes I think I'm hungry until I get a drink, etc. I don't worry about whether the snack is actually consumed. Having it at bedside makes the discussion/timing/worry thing completely better.

My DH and I have had many discussions about this, b/c ideally a child wouldn't need to eat at night. However, I still nurse overnight occasionally, so I figure she's getting a snack one way or another.

Hope this helps somewhat. I'll be watching the thread for any better ideas, too.
 

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Thanks for the imput pandora!

Usually she only gets either crackers or a fig newton style cereal bar, if I'm really frustrated I've taken the supper she didn't eat much of and given it to her as mess free as possible. Also she only gets water at night nothing else, and it is always kept in her crib. And food that's chucked out stays out(wish we could do that with the paci)

The seasons are changing here so our naps have been thrown off too, so I've been taking her outside lots hoping to tucker her out and build an appitite. So last night we had spaghetti(which she loves and ate really well) for a half hour before bed I kept reminding her how much time was left and asking if she was hungry because she wouldn't get any snacks tonight. Bed time comes after not napping all day and all of a sudden she's hungry! That little bugger! She ate an apple, 4 slices of cheese, then started scooping spaghetti out of the pot so I gave her a bowl. Mind you this is only about an hour and a half after her huger than normal supper. Finally she said she was done 50 minutes after bed time, at which point DH asked her AGAIN if she was still hungry
and of course she says she is, but I've had enough so I put her to bed. She fell asleep after some protesting and attention from us(she didn't cio fyi), around 3am she wanted a snack after waking (or just playing quietly enough contently that I didn't hear her) 3 times over 2 hours. So just as I go pee, get back to bed, position around my 7 month belly and doze off good I'm up again, arg. Anyways she went back to sleep after a stern asking of her to wait for breakfast, and is still asleep now 5 hours later. So I guess she really wasn't hungry???

IDK *sigh* today is playgroup day so it's usually out one screwed up unpredictable day of the week anyways, but it's cloudy so maybe I'll be blessed with a nap. On the bright side she always eats great at playgroup
 
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