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Have you read it yet?<br><br><a href="http://www.nocirc.org/publish/nocirc-2005newsletter.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.nocirc.org/publish/nocirc-2005newsletter.pdf</a><br><br>
"The U.S. circumcision rate declined 11.4% over two years, according to<br>
figures just released by the National Center for Health Statistics, from<br>
63.1% in 2001 to 55.9% in 2003. The largest decline was in the western<br>
states, where 68.6% of boys remain intact."
 

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Let's hope it's an honest to goodness downward trend and not just a temporary dip....
 

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This is an honest to goodness trend that has been going on for at least 10 years. This reduction of the circumcision trend brings it to the lowest level in more than 50 years. This certifies it as an honest trend and not a temporary dip.<br><br>
Because of an archaic method to determine circumcision rates by the government, it only includes circumcisions for black and white babies. If Hispanics, Asians, Eastern Indians and other ethnic groups are included in the numbers, the actual circumcision rate will be about 52% for 2003. Extrapolating those numbers for 2005, the circumcision rate for all groups in the US will be between 46% and 48%. When the rate falls below 50%, it becomes the norm not to circumcise and from that point on, we will see an escalating trend to not circumcise. In other words, there will be greater numbers each year who will eschew the procedure at least until we get down to the 10% range when it will again begin to slow. Ultimately, the circumcision rate in the US should get down to around 1% to 2% with the bulk of those being religious circumcisions.<br><br><br><br>
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Well, I know there's a downward trend but you can't project from one year to the next and say there will be a 10% decrease every year. There may be spikes from year to year. Look at Dan Bollinger's numbers from a year or two back that showed an upward spike after a couple of years of downward trending.<br><br>
The other thing that concerns me is the regional differences issue. For those parents who circ (or don't) because of the "locker room" argument, regional differences make a difference - in the Northeast, a lot more parents still circ (up in the 63% range IIRC) and that gives cover to everyone else to keep doing it and to doctors as well. In the West, I think circ will disappear a lot sooner.<br><br>
Of course I want the numbers to be going down, and as fast as possible. I just don't necessarily think that we can rest on our laurels because the national average may soon be 50%.<br><br>
Sad to say, I think racism and classism may also keep circ higher among certain groups. I know for my uber-WASPy inlaws in Boston, there was nothing we could do to persuade them not to circ. Knowing that the numbers nationally are 50% or lower doesn't do a thing for them, because pretty much everyone in their (white, well-off) circle of friends is still circing. Sadly, if I explained to them what the national numbers are (and explained that the numbers are actually pushed down by non-white groups that do not routinely circ) this would probably only harden their resolve to circ.
 

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Are these statistics based on infant boys leaving the hospital? Or at some later age? I know of two women who brought their sons home intact and then had them circumcised at about 2 weeks. I'm not sure why (I think one of them had changed their mind about having it done - first saying no then caving in to pressure). Also, boys circumcised for religious reasons leave the hospital intact as well. Just curious about what age or stage they get their data from.<br><br>
Take care,<br><br>
ETA: I think it's great if more boys are leaving the hospital intact - that's the first step. I'm simply curious if there's any follow-up in this study.
 

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I'm curious how they arrived at the number too. I'm in Southern CA which supposedly has one of the lowest circ rates in the country. I do see a fair amount of boys who are circed though and it kind of makes me wonder. Most of these boys are caucasian so I'm curious if there is a break down by race.
 

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The numbers follow boys for several months past their discharge from the hospital. It would not include boys circumcised after that point. It does not show ritual circumcisions because that would not necessarily be noted on their records unless there was medical treatment needed for the circumcision wound or a revision.<br><br>
The circumcision rate can vary widely from hospital to hospital in the same area and from hospitals in neighboring towns. You could just go from one neighborhood to another and see more of one to the other depending on which hospital is closer to that neighborhood.<br><br><br><br>
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Hi Everyone,<br><br>
According to the CIA World Fact Book 2002, the Jewish population = 1% of the US Population, and the Muslim population = 1% of the US population.<br><br>
Other sources state the rates are as high as 2.3% for Jews and 3% for Muslims.<br><br>
However, either way you look at it, the circ rate is only affected slightly. If we look at the CIA fact book numbers (and remember that half the population is female) AND assume that ALL Jews and Muslims circumcise, it would increase the circ rate with 1%.<br><br>
If we look at the other numbers, the circ rate would increase with 2.65%. So the effect is still minor if we include all religious circumcisions.<br><br>
Makes sense?<br><br><br>
Anyhow, Frank? how do you know that the boys intact "status" is verified months after discharge? Where in the study does it say that? I really want to know, because that is one of the arguments i encounter when I show these statistics.<br><br>
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Hello to fellow Californians ... I'm in southern California too (see sig links).<br><br>
I'm encouraged by the nocirc statistics, even with the possibilities for distortion and skewing. It still seems positive. I know there are still lots of rabid circers out there, but among the groups I'm in, not all AP, there are signs of change, some who had circ'd before moving to non-circ, etc.<br><br>
Thanks for posting this.<br><br>
Here's to all baby boys getting to keep what nature gave them!<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Rainbow.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rainbow peace">
 

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I got the information from Dan Bollinger who is a medical statistician by profession and compiles information for insurance companies. He is also the founder of The International Coalition for Genital Integrity. The CDC's National Center for Health Statistics actually polls hospital records for their information. Dan compiles his information from the records of a company that supplies information to insurance companies (and you thought that was private information???) for them to make decisions about whether you are a acceptable risk for healthcare insurance and to set your premiums. The NCHS takes the records for approximately 0.3% of hospitals and extrapolates the circumcision information. Dan takes the records from 30% of all hospitals in the US for his information and report and extrapolates the rest. Dan's information includes all boys of all ethnicities while The NCHS only reports the statistics for black and white boys. This makes Dan's numbers far more accurate and Dan's numbers for the circumcision rate is normally about 4% lower than those from the NCHS.<br><br>
Your medical records are kept for life and the records of all medical procedures, prescriptions, etc. are available to any healthcare provider or insurance company just like your driving record and car ownership is available to the insurance companies. It's kind of like credit reports. Scary, huh?<br><br><br><br>
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Sometimes I wonder about those statistics, too. My son had an unfortunate incident several months back where he was forcibly retracted in the ER during a cath....I called and raised all hell with the ER manager and she said that they don't see that many intact boys in the ER <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: She said they see maybe 1 every 3-4 days (and this is out of dozens and dozens of patients seen in that time period).<br><br>
I always hear all these "40% intact rate" quotes but I sure haven't seen that IRL. My son is intact, and I have 1 friend who has 1 circ'ed son and 1 intact son, but other than that everyone else I know with boys, their sons are all circ'ed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Shaylahc: it depends on which part of the country you live in. Over 80% of boys are still circ'ed here in the backwards Midwest. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Furthermore, the circ. rate can vary considerably from town to town in the same region, depending on the attitudes of your local doctors and hospitals.<br>
I wonder if the circ. rate has finally started to decline in the Midwest? Time to go read that article.<br>
Well, I just read it. It doesn't break the statistics down region by region, unfortunately. It's just a short blurb.
 
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