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I had that done before I knew any better and I will never ever ever do it again.
I had to convince my last dentist to use a dental dam during the removal of another amalgam. Note, I said LAST dentist.
I have one tiny amalgam left, which will not be touched until after I am done nursing and having babies. When it is removed, it will absolutely be with a dentist that uses the proper protocol.
Originally Posted by eireann  anyone have their amalgams removed without proper procedure? meaning, did a dentist just drill them out (but use high powered cold water and air to clear the area)? what was the aftermath? |
I had to convince my last dentist to use a dental dam during the removal of another amalgam. Note, I said LAST dentist.
I have one tiny amalgam left, which will not be touched until after I am done nursing and having babies. When it is removed, it will absolutely be with a dentist that uses the proper protocol.
Are you contemplating this or was it already done? I can recommend some things to help, it's similar to what I did when I had mine removed using the proper protocol (still got extra mercury, I had symptoms, but I think it was better than it otherwise would've been).
--Lots and lots of vitamin C, up til you have diarrhea, dosed at least 3-4x/day
--Modifilan will help, it's a seaweed, it's what I took to stop the post-amalgam-removal headache I got
--Vitamin C flush as described here--fun? no, but effective. I still do them about once every other week (since I've got ongoing health issues)
http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf
If you've already done this, are you nursing?
--Lots and lots of vitamin C, up til you have diarrhea, dosed at least 3-4x/day
--Modifilan will help, it's a seaweed, it's what I took to stop the post-amalgam-removal headache I got
--Vitamin C flush as described here--fun? no, but effective. I still do them about once every other week (since I've got ongoing health issues)
http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf
If you've already done this, are you nursing?
a crown came off and the tooth was in such bad shape, they had to reshape what was there to put a temp on. in order to do that, the amalgam came out. no nursing. i refused to see a dentist while i was nursing. anyway, i flushed with tons of SA and vit C, ate bulbs of garlic, probiotics, and ate a bunch of broccoli and spinach with some nuts. i had a headache, but i can't tell if that was from the amalgam or from being so irritated and stressed,
I'd be extra mindful of how you feel for a while, and keep up with bowel tolerance SA, a good multivitamin if you've got one/can get one (for nutritional support for detox pathways--did I mention folate in the thread in Allergies? this would be a really good time to look into folate and whether you may need more than most people, some folks who need to supplement folate use Folapro). And keep up with all the stuff you mentioned for a while.
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thanks tanya. i will. any foods you think i should outright avoid? i wonder if the seaweed is something i should take, or at this point would it cause more problems since i still have other amalgams in my mouth.
Originally Posted by TanyaLopez I'd be extra mindful of how you feel for a while, and keep up with bowel tolerance SA, a good multivitamin if you've got one/can get one (for nutritional support for detox pathways--did I mention folate in the thread in Allergies? this would be a really good time to look into folate and whether you may need more than most people, some folks who need to supplement folate use Folapro). And keep up with all the stuff you mentioned for a while. |
There aren't that many real foods that are actively problematic. Iodine is good, most of us are low, and most things from the sea have lots of minerals most people are low in. I know I need to actually supplement iodine to get back to reasonable levels and if you're not nursing, that's an option. In general, real nutrients from food are good (if you have a real mercury problem, you may want to avoid cilantro since it's quite strong at mobilizing the metal already in your brain, but normal people can eat it and don't have high amounts stored up, so whatever is mobilized is safely excreted), and I think some supplements are definitely appropriate.
before learning about any of this stuff, i might have unwittingly helped and/or hurt myself. i love cilantro, but in terms of folate, i have been eating organic spinach salad or kale salad several times a week for the last 10 or so years (except when i was pg b/c i couldnt stomach it in those early months!) i have also been taking crystal vitamin C, and recently, SA when i feel under the weather. i also have loaded up on veggies and fruit for years, and i hardly ever eat meat. i know mercola says that chelation with a veg can be very difficult, and i wonder how much validity that has and what to do about it before i start.
all i know is my head was killing after the removal, and for many years my knee and ankles have popped. i can't sit in a seat for more than a few minutes without cracking my knees. could just be a coincidence as my nana had arthritis, but who knows. ugh.
all i know is my head was killing after the removal, and for many years my knee and ankles have popped. i can't sit in a seat for more than a few minutes without cracking my knees. could just be a coincidence as my nana had arthritis, but who knows. ugh.
My HCP said my knees and ankles popping was related to my adrenal fatigue. I don't remember why or how, but she was sure it would subside once I healed my adrenals. Still a work in progress, so I can't verify that one yet. Um, since you showed up in the Allergies forum, there seems to be a relationship between adrenal fatigue and food allergies (either the food allergies start the adrenal issues, or something prior happens and things sort of spiral in on themselves).
If you're veg, you may want to look into zinc (since we're talking about food allergies, and low stomach acid can be caused by low zinc, and that would weaken digestion). As an omni, I can't make up my zinc deficiency with just food, I'm supp-ing.
That much of a headache afterward sounds like mercury to me, but I think even normal, non-mercury-toxic people could get a headache from a normal removal. I think most people just write it off to a stressful day or whatever. But it sounds like you've got decent support going on, and if you stumble across something interesting about detoxification in Allergies, then all the better!
For the folate, have you actually calculated how much you consume each day? Apparently people with the double-marker need 800mcg, and that's a heckuva lot. I mean--I was surprised at how little zinc I actually consumed, and I eat meat. You eat lots of veggies, which would include a lot of the good folate sources, but you may consume less than you need if you need more than I do, yk?
If you're veg, you may want to look into zinc (since we're talking about food allergies, and low stomach acid can be caused by low zinc, and that would weaken digestion). As an omni, I can't make up my zinc deficiency with just food, I'm supp-ing.
That much of a headache afterward sounds like mercury to me, but I think even normal, non-mercury-toxic people could get a headache from a normal removal. I think most people just write it off to a stressful day or whatever. But it sounds like you've got decent support going on, and if you stumble across something interesting about detoxification in Allergies, then all the better!
For the folate, have you actually calculated how much you consume each day? Apparently people with the double-marker need 800mcg, and that's a heckuva lot. I mean--I was surprised at how little zinc I actually consumed, and I eat meat. You eat lots of veggies, which would include a lot of the good folate sources, but you may consume less than you need if you need more than I do, yk?
i am going to my dr today to get blood drawn to see what my levels are. i had it drawn once before for merc but didn't ask for anything specific. should i?
i havent calculated the actual amount, but definitely not a bad idea. in terms of your adrenal fatigue, does your doc say that's due to MT? i have felt ok the last two days, with a headache the first night and i woke up with a headache too. however, i grind my teeth so that could be causing it.
yesterday i took an unGodly amount of vit c, and still didnt reach tolerance. ugh. i also ordered the seaweed pills, so here's hoping that helps. is there any else i should be taking to mop up any metals in the blood without actually disturbing what might be holding on to my organs (since i'm not read to chelate.)
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i havent calculated the actual amount, but definitely not a bad idea. in terms of your adrenal fatigue, does your doc say that's due to MT? i have felt ok the last two days, with a headache the first night and i woke up with a headache too. however, i grind my teeth so that could be causing it.
yesterday i took an unGodly amount of vit c, and still didnt reach tolerance. ugh. i also ordered the seaweed pills, so here's hoping that helps. is there any else i should be taking to mop up any metals in the blood without actually disturbing what might be holding on to my organs (since i'm not read to chelate.)
thanks
Adrenal fatigue seems to happen to most people with chronic health issues, so it's definitely not exclusive to mercury toxicity, but it's almost universal among people with mercury problems. My hypothyroidism was more directly related to the mercury (because of the minerals that were depleted by the mercury) but I don't think everyone who's hypo has mercury issues either.
Modifilan rocks at sopping up heavy metals. I love the stuff. (wait, when you said you ordered the seaweed pills, this is what you meant, isn't it? ok, good).
I'd look into magnesium for teeth grinding, that seems to be the most common issue (unless you've got a structural issue, like it started after a car accident or something like that). And if the grinding has been worse since, I'd just guess that excreting the mercury is using up your magnesium (which doesn't have to be ominous, it could just be something you're noticing).
When you say high (for vitC), what range are you talking about? And what day was it that you got your fillings out?
In terms of nutritional support, do you take a multi? Extra Bs are good, and most multis have a reasonable spectrum. I like my multi, it's Perque2 LifeGuard, but it's only available online or through HCPs. I'm sure there are other good ones out there, I think Rainbow Light may be a good brand, but I haven't had to look around for a while.
Bowel tolerance C, modifilan, and general nutritional support (and search Panserbjorne's old posts on folate and breast cancer to see if I'm right in what I'm remembering, or google to see if I'm recalling wrong) to see if you may need real folate (vs folic acid) and more than most people.
Not sure how to test for folate, I know high homocysteine can be a marker for folate deficiency, whoMe in Allergies really knows this better than I do. Folate isn't our thing, I just pick up what I've run across.
Blood tests for mercury are really just for acute exposures, I doubt my blood tests were ever really high except for after my amalgams were placed and again when they were removed. If you're not nursing, I really like the hair test approach, details in Allergies (search for Direct Laboratory Services, the company to order from). Seems strange, but I've accepted that different minerals show up best in different ways. Blood is good for what it is, but it's not the perfect measure of everything.
Modifilan rocks at sopping up heavy metals. I love the stuff. (wait, when you said you ordered the seaweed pills, this is what you meant, isn't it? ok, good).
I'd look into magnesium for teeth grinding, that seems to be the most common issue (unless you've got a structural issue, like it started after a car accident or something like that). And if the grinding has been worse since, I'd just guess that excreting the mercury is using up your magnesium (which doesn't have to be ominous, it could just be something you're noticing).
When you say high (for vitC), what range are you talking about? And what day was it that you got your fillings out?
In terms of nutritional support, do you take a multi? Extra Bs are good, and most multis have a reasonable spectrum. I like my multi, it's Perque2 LifeGuard, but it's only available online or through HCPs. I'm sure there are other good ones out there, I think Rainbow Light may be a good brand, but I haven't had to look around for a while.
Bowel tolerance C, modifilan, and general nutritional support (and search Panserbjorne's old posts on folate and breast cancer to see if I'm right in what I'm remembering, or google to see if I'm recalling wrong) to see if you may need real folate (vs folic acid) and more than most people.
Not sure how to test for folate, I know high homocysteine can be a marker for folate deficiency, whoMe in Allergies really knows this better than I do. Folate isn't our thing, I just pick up what I've run across.
Blood tests for mercury are really just for acute exposures, I doubt my blood tests were ever really high except for after my amalgams were placed and again when they were removed. If you're not nursing, I really like the hair test approach, details in Allergies (search for Direct Laboratory Services, the company to order from). Seems strange, but I've accepted that different minerals show up best in different ways. Blood is good for what it is, but it's not the perfect measure of everything.
At some time in the past, did you go to a doc and specifically ask for a blood test for mercury? I hadn't quite twigged to that. If you're anywhere near Iowa, I know of a great healthcare provider who can help you sort things out (I always forget to check locations before I hit reply
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What, exactly, is the list of things that you've been concerned about in the past that makes you think mercury? I guess I have a bias, in that I NEVER considered this was causing my problems, and I tend to think that if it _does_ occur to people, esp to the extent of doing bloodwork, then something is going on, maybe metals, but something pervasive and systemic.
I now really like the idea of a hair test, for you and/or your LO. Sometimes looking at two makes it clearer, although for us, I've only tested my daughter (my symptoms were really clear) and that was clearer than I expected.
What, exactly, is the list of things that you've been concerned about in the past that makes you think mercury? I guess I have a bias, in that I NEVER considered this was causing my problems, and I tend to think that if it _does_ occur to people, esp to the extent of doing bloodwork, then something is going on, maybe metals, but something pervasive and systemic.
I now really like the idea of a hair test, for you and/or your LO. Sometimes looking at two makes it clearer, although for us, I've only tested my daughter (my symptoms were really clear) and that was clearer than I expected.
i got a blood test in december that showed no mercury in my system. it was done by labcorp in san diego. i just did another today since the amalgam debacle.
ive worried about my amalgams for a while, but never put two and two together and honestly, at this point, its merely a suspicion. i was dx w/ PCOS, but i'm on the extremely mild end of the spectrum. this makes me wonder about the adrenals, since i know they can play a big part. i read that a woman was dx w PCOS, but found that there were cysts on the adrenals and that was the true source. i have occasional brain fog, but enough that it concerns me a little (could be mommy brain...
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) and the knees and ankles have bothered me since my teenage years. they arent just cracky; they hurt and lock up if i sit for too long. the knees specifically. i occasionally get the twitchy eyelid or twitchy arm/leg nerve, but who doesn't. for every piece of evidence, i can counterpoint it in most cases, yk? these are some things that may be connected, but then again, i am really healthy and hardly ever get sick.
the only real thing re: DD is the bottom teeth turn inward and she teethed late. i know this is very common, so absolutely not a smoking gun but worth mentioning. she was a slow gainer between 4-10 months, but EBF and i wasn't a huge baby either. she has eczema on her cheeks, arms and legs. i am still trying to figure that one out. at 17 months, she shows no sign of behavioral issues, though i'm not even sure what i'd be looking for. i only *think* it might be a bit more noticeable now..?
ive worried about my amalgams for a while, but never put two and two together and honestly, at this point, its merely a suspicion. i was dx w/ PCOS, but i'm on the extremely mild end of the spectrum. this makes me wonder about the adrenals, since i know they can play a big part. i read that a woman was dx w PCOS, but found that there were cysts on the adrenals and that was the true source. i have occasional brain fog, but enough that it concerns me a little (could be mommy brain...
the only real thing re: DD is the bottom teeth turn inward and she teethed late. i know this is very common, so absolutely not a smoking gun but worth mentioning. she was a slow gainer between 4-10 months, but EBF and i wasn't a huge baby either. she has eczema on her cheeks, arms and legs. i am still trying to figure that one out. at 17 months, she shows no sign of behavioral issues, though i'm not even sure what i'd be looking for. i only *think* it might be a bit more noticeable now..?
The thing about kids and behavioral issues (ASD-type behaviors, specifically, I mean) is that not all kids are susceptible. My daughter has none, and I think it's because her physiology is much more similar to my husband. She has a very high toxic load, and I know it was causing her problems, but the manifestations of it were subtle. A lot of things are off in her body--Kenneth Bock's book was really helpful in discussing how different people manifest these issues in different ways, though to be honest, I'm not really sure how, long-term, my daughter would've manifested this stuff, it's not crazy numbers of allergies, she's only got 2 intolerances, and it's not ASD/SPD behaviors.
A lot of the stuff you mentioned sounds like adrenal issues, and for twitchiness, I'd think magnesium. A lot of mercury people are low in magnesium, but again, and this is the worst part, zinc and magnesium deficiencies are the two most common mineral deficiencies around, and they're both fairly typical at some low level (or not so low level, in our case).
Be interesting to see blood results from today given that you've so recently had symptoms, I wish Panserbjorne were around, she'd really know how long mercury from an acute exposure will continue to circulate. I've seen different numbers.
For me, putting together a timeline of health things really helped. Every little thing, like getting glasses and my (relatively minor) dust/pollen/dog fur allergies starting, my anxiety (which wasn't debilitating), like that.
And try to think back to when your adrenal issues started, if you can see any changes there. Because there's got to be a reason your adrenals are fatigued, if not your amalgams, then something. It takes a while to think about, even with prodding I've had to re-think a few times, and I've put together bits and pieces a while after I started.
A lot of the stuff you mentioned sounds like adrenal issues, and for twitchiness, I'd think magnesium. A lot of mercury people are low in magnesium, but again, and this is the worst part, zinc and magnesium deficiencies are the two most common mineral deficiencies around, and they're both fairly typical at some low level (or not so low level, in our case).
Be interesting to see blood results from today given that you've so recently had symptoms, I wish Panserbjorne were around, she'd really know how long mercury from an acute exposure will continue to circulate. I've seen different numbers.
For me, putting together a timeline of health things really helped. Every little thing, like getting glasses and my (relatively minor) dust/pollen/dog fur allergies starting, my anxiety (which wasn't debilitating), like that.
And try to think back to when your adrenal issues started, if you can see any changes there. Because there's got to be a reason your adrenals are fatigued, if not your amalgams, then something. It takes a while to think about, even with prodding I've had to re-think a few times, and I've put together bits and pieces a while after I started.
i just have to say i am so beyond PO'd at myself for letting this happen w/ the dentist. i am usually so good at putting my foot down...i have no idea why i allowed this to go down the way it did. this same dentist took amalgams out of my SIL, definitely w/out protocol. he's someone i really trusted and now i'm just angry.
should i take charcoal? i am continuing on the vitamin C, (and probiotics) waiting for the modafilan, but wondering if something else in the interim to mop up whats happening now.
ugh. just so not happy right now. my bloodwork should be back on monday. now i'm faced with the question of TTC in a year and not touching the ones in there, or getting it all out, chelating then waiting for at least 18 months if not more depending on my levels. i'm starting w the hair test. guess i'll go from there. sorry for the rambling. beside myself.
should i take charcoal? i am continuing on the vitamin C, (and probiotics) waiting for the modafilan, but wondering if something else in the interim to mop up whats happening now.
ugh. just so not happy right now. my bloodwork should be back on monday. now i'm faced with the question of TTC in a year and not touching the ones in there, or getting it all out, chelating then waiting for at least 18 months if not more depending on my levels. i'm starting w the hair test. guess i'll go from there. sorry for the rambling. beside myself.
I don't have any experience with charcoal. My impression is that it needs to be taken closer to when the problematic thing was consumed (I think some folks use it for help with food allergens as well). And it'll sop up most (all?) supplements you're taking at the same time as well, so it's definitely a double-edged sword.
Give yourself time to gather some more information, really think about your choices, and then put together a plan. It's a stressful thing to contemplate, and then stressful as well to choose a path.
re: the dentist, for a lot of them, it's hard to accept that their profession, and maybe they personally if they placed amalgams, have caused harm to people. They're medical professionals, they want to help people, and the idea that the metal they are putting in peoples' mouths is causing serious illness in some is a big thing, very hard to accept.
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You're working the problem, figuring out what's going on and taking steps. It sounds good.
Give yourself time to gather some more information, really think about your choices, and then put together a plan. It's a stressful thing to contemplate, and then stressful as well to choose a path.
re: the dentist, for a lot of them, it's hard to accept that their profession, and maybe they personally if they placed amalgams, have caused harm to people. They're medical professionals, they want to help people, and the idea that the metal they are putting in peoples' mouths is causing serious illness in some is a big thing, very hard to accept.
so the blood tests came back and there was no mercury in my blood, two days post removal. i'm hoping the vapors didnt find an inroad with tissue, bypassing blood all together. unlikely, but still. no matter, still doing the hair tests since they yield different results and indications.
where did you find out about modafilin?
thanks again
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where did you find out about modafilin?
thanks again
My HCP recommended it. She uses it with good results in her practice. You can also find discussion, I think, at the autism-mercury yahoo group and maybe frequent-dose-chelation. I haven't searched for quite a while now. I use it daily with the kids and as-needed for myself--I'd use it daily for myself as well, but in the interest of fitting everything into the budget, well, other stuff came first.
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I haven't read the whole thread - only your OP and yes! This happened to me (before I knew better) and as I was nursing not only my newborn but also my toddler.
We are all dealing with the aftermath.
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An attorney friend once told my husband that we have a case here but honestly, who wants to relive all the hell we've been through as a result.
I used to have a website devoted to this and the healing of my daughter, but I let it expire only a couple of months ago. I want to move forward toward health, kwim?
We worked with a DAN doc to heal my little one (with 100% success!) and are now chelating my 5 year old and trying to sort out what went haywire in my own body.
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I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'll go read the rest of the thread now.
We are all dealing with the aftermath.
An attorney friend once told my husband that we have a case here but honestly, who wants to relive all the hell we've been through as a result.
I used to have a website devoted to this and the healing of my daughter, but I let it expire only a couple of months ago. I want to move forward toward health, kwim?
We worked with a DAN doc to heal my little one (with 100% success!) and are now chelating my 5 year old and trying to sort out what went haywire in my own body.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'll go read the rest of the thread now.
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