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Hello everyone! I am not sure what this really belongs to, but I will put it here and if it needs to be moved that is great too...<br><br>
This is going to be a VERY long vent....Here is some background before I can fully start. I work in a counseling center, but am in charge of new families waiting to get assigned a therapist - not a therapist. I also do not have any hands on breastfeeding experience...just ideas.<br><br>
Okay...I was staffing a family with my supervisor (a psychologist), and they filled out that they breastfed him until he was 4 yrs old. Well her and a therapist both said...no wonder why he has a speech problem. I just quietly sat there (ranting in my head). Afterwards I was talking more with my supervisor and she made a comment that she knows breastfeeding to 4 is not cultural (they are a mexican family), and I said it really is not that uncommon. She got very defensive and said yes it is...it is not normal and is on the verge of sexual abuse!!!! I then shared how my aunt breastfed until my cousins were both 5 and for me I am not shocked by it. She then "nicely" shared that after the age of 1 there is NO nutritional value in breastfeeding and who's needs are really being met???? (Hence the sexual abuse) She then shared that she knows of cases where families were investigated by CPS because they were breastfeeding too long...I just got up and acted like I was going to contact the family to get the other information that she needed to assign a therapist.<br><br>
I just don't know what to do or say....I was repulsed at the thought of her accusing extended breastfeeding moms of being on the verge of sexual abuse, but I do not have any "real" experience with this issue. I just needed to get this frustration out to women who do have experience.....Thanks for letting me go on.
 

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I suggest that your center invest in the book <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Breastfeeding: Biocultural Perspectives</span> edited by Kathy Dettwyler. She's an anthropoligist at Texas A&M.<br><br>
Short of that you can go to <a href="http://www.prairienet.org/community/health/laleche/dettwyler.html" target="_blank">http://www.prairienet.org/community/...dettwyler.html</a> and print out a few articles for your abyssmally ignorant supervisor.<br><br>
Both the psycholoigst and the therapist are beyond wrong. If there was no nutritional value to breastfeeding beyond one year the World Health Organization would not recommend it continue for <b>At Least</b> Two Years. The American Academy of Pediatrics would not then recommend that breastfeeding continue for <b>AT Least</b> One Year <b>And For As Long Thereafter As Mutually Desired by mother AND child.</b><br><br>
She's displaying even more ignorance by blaming the child's speech problem on breastfeeding. Breastfeeding enhances mouth and palate development. Did she miss that day in her coursework?<br><br>
You could always ask where the studies are that support their position. Surely such findings contradictory to EVERY study done over the last several DECADES would have made all the reputable medical journals, not to mention the popular press.
 

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Oh man, oh man! The ignorance is appalling. And frightening. Dh and I are starting marital counceling this week and I am already worrying that rather than focus on our actual issues breastfeeding and co-sleeping witha 3 y/o are going to take center stage.
 

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This is one of the reasons I am procrastinating about taking my son for speech therapy. I don't want to hear it from them about EBF.
 

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Those people have absolutely no business being therapists or psychologists. Such ignorance is unforgivable in mental health professionals. Who knows how much harm they have caused working with parents? This must stop. They must be educated.<br><br>
Extended breastfeeding does NOT cause speech problems.<br><br>
Breastfeeding to the age of four is neither uncommon nor abnormal. The worldwide average age of weaning is 4.2 years. It is only in this country where people breastfeed for an unnaturally short amount of time.<br><br>
Breastfeeding is NOT sexual abuse! Those stupid JERKS! The breast isn't even a sexual organ! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"><br><br>
Breastmilk NEVER loses its nutritional value, in fact after the age of 1 it actually becomes MORE concentrated with beneficial immunities! It is absolutely still meeting the child's needs!<br><br>
Any time the CPS investigates a case of extended breastfeeding, the case ends up getting dropped. No CPS agency has ever come to the conclusion that a child is being harmed from breastfeeding.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/splat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="splat"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/FIREdevil.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="devil"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/censored.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="censored"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/demon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="demon"><br><br><br>
hmpc2, please do not remain silent. Your employers MUST be educated.
 

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Ditto to all the comments above...I could roll my eyes all day at this. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:<br><br>
Here's some more on why they are wrong, wrong, wrong, and need to be educated:<br><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/index.html" target="_blank">Kellymom on EBF</a><br><br>
Their statements really scare the crap out of me. These people sound like they're in a position of power to make their clients' lives miserable, by forcing weaning, calling CPS, etc.<br><br>
I hope you're in a position where you can educate them (and anyone else like them)....
 

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hmpc2, please share this information with the therapist and the psychologist:<br><br><br><a href="http://www.lalecheleague.org/llleaderweb/LV/LVFebMar98p3.html" target="_blank">http://www.lalecheleague.org/llleade...ebMar98p3.html</a><br><br><a href="http://homebusiness-websites.com/maclellans_cottages/news/weaning.php" target="_blank">http://homebusiness-websites.com/mac...ws/weaning.php</a><br><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-benefits.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-benefits.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/breast/extendedlaw.htm" target="_blank">http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/breast/extendedlaw.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-1-0/after-three.shtml" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-...er-three.shtml</a><br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-1-0/12-3-notjustforbabies103.shtml" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-...abies103.shtml</a><br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-5-0/12-5-bfwean97.shtml" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-...bfwean97.shtml</a><br><br><a href="http://www.busyparentsonline.com/naturalfamily/articles/20038_sexual.htm" target="_blank">http://www.busyparentsonline.com/nat...038_sexual.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-4-0/tandem-nursing.shtml" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-...-nursing.shtml</a><br><br>
Here are lists of other articles:<br><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-refs.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-refs.html</a><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-links.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-links.html</a>
 

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Thanks to all that have responded so far....I am planning on researching and getting the facts so I can pass it on to both my supervisor and the therapist. I want to be pretty well versed before I talk to them (they can be pretty strong debators).<br><br>
After today I just wanted to quit my job even more than I already did. It is amazing how ignorant my educated peers can be <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/oops.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="oops">T Last week I had to inform a few on homebirth (they didn't realize that w/ midwifes there was prenatal care), imagine their their thoughts on unassisted....<br><br>
I just feel so passionate about certain topics and get so frustrated with the "mainstream" when they can so easily judge...Thanks again.
 

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<a href="http://www.breastfeeding.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000102" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeeding.com/cgi-bin...c;f=3;t=000102</a><br><br>
A terrific resource from breastfeeding.com
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">In ancient India, influenced by the belief that the longer a child nursed the longer he would live, mothers usually nursed their children as long as possible, often seven or even nine years sometimes. In Tsinghai, China, mothers observed in 1956 were still nursing for several years, five years not being unusual, or until another child was born. In Inner Mongolia in 1951, children nursed two or three years, nor was it rare that a six- or seven-year-old would want to nurse for a bit of reassurance......<br><br>
An Anthropological Look at Nursing Beyond Toddlerhood<br>
Time Period Who and Where Nursing Duration<br>
Ancient Egypt 3 years<br>
Early 1900s China and Japan 4-5 years<br>
1940s Burma 3-4 years<br>
1950s Kenya up to 5 years<br>
1950s Siniono (Bolivia) 3-5 years<br>
1950s Inuit around 7 years<br>
Chimps/gorillas 5-6 years</td>
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<a href="http://www.lalecheleague.org/lllead...FebMar98p3.html" target="_blank">http://www.lalecheleague.org/lllead...FebMar98p3.html</a><br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">...although it is not the norm in most industrial cultures, UNICEF and the World Health Organization both advise breast-feeding to "two years and beyond." Indeed, a child's immune response does not reach its full strength until age five or so.</td>
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Dr. Jack Newman's "How Breastfeeding Protects Newborns"<br>
from Scientific American magazine, available at <a href="http://www.breastfeedingonline.com" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeedingonline.com</a><br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Given that...humans living in non industrial circumstances...nurse for several years, says Dr. Gartner, researchers should be asking, what are the ill effects of early weaning?...<br><br>
"The question is, are you doing any harm?" asks Gartner. Until you answer it, he says, "there truly is no basis for any upper limit," says Gartner.</td>
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(From "Breast-Feeding Beyond Babyhood, Melissa Healy, <a href="http://www.latimes.com" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com</a> Feb. 5, 2001)<br><br><br><br>
Dr. Lawrence Gartner, quoted above, is chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics executive committee on breastfeeding who oversaw the writing of the 1997 recommendations which say:<br><br>
quote:<br>
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It is recommended that breastfeeding continue for at least 12 months, and thereafter for as long as mutually desired.<br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">"We have a tendency to look down on breast-feeding past a certain age in this country (USA), and it's misguided," says Dr. William Sears, a well-known pediatrician and co-author of THE BREASTFEEDING BOOK. He sees nothing wrong with a mother breast-feeding a 5 year old who wants to. "We act surprised when a woman's still breast-feeding her child, when really it should be the opposite. We should be saying:'What? You've stopped breastfeeding?' "<br><br>
...Sears remains adamant that debates over how much nutritional value an older child gets from breast-feeding are pointless. The real value, he says, is cultural. "These days, you open up a paper and read about kids shooting up schools," Sears says. "In a nutshell, these are disconnected kids. But children who breast-feed a long time time, are, above all, connected. And our society could use a whole lot more connected kids."</td>
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("Breast-Feeding: How Old is Too Old? " Sara Corbett, New York Times, Feb. 18, 2001. Note: Dr. Sears mentions 5 years because he was specifically asked about a particular 5 year old at that time.)<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">"You have so many women in the U.S. nursing past infancy that two books written on the subject have chapters on nursing past 4. "</td>
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(Elizabeth Baldwin, attorney, legal advisor for La Leche League quoted in "In Defense of Breast-Feeding," Newsweek on <a href="http:" target="_blank">www.msnbc.com,</a> Dec. 15, 2000. The books are Mothering Your Nursing Toddler and The Nursing Mother's Guide To Weaning. Sadly Ms. Baldwin died recently.)<br><br>
 

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As far as the part about speech therapy goes. The longer a child breastfeeds the more develped the jaw and facial muscles are. the teeth are usually straighter too. So its actually less likely that a breastfed baby would need speech therapy.<br><br>
A Baby with a pacifier and a bottle would more likely have problems
 

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my son nursed until almost 4 & he has talked in complete sentences, clearly, from less than two years of age.<br><br>
i cannot believe the crap that some people still believe about the nursing relationship.<br><br>
cps, social services, whatever, will leave abused kids in the home until they are killed by their parents, but let them get wind of an older child breastfeeding, & they do whatever it takes to stop it. THAT'S what is sick!!
 
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