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I think Sam sleeps 12 hours a day.. <i>**if I am lucky**</i><br>
After reading the question thread, I see this is not normal.<br>
We are up sometime 4-5 times a night.<br>
should I be concerned? Could it be related to low milk supply?
 

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My first was like that and he nursed every hour all night for a while. Does LO nap during the day or is the 12 hrs it? All babies are different but 12 hrs a day seems a little light on sleep..<br><br>
Anyone else?
 

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Twelve hours in daytime or twelve hours in a 24 hour period?
 

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StrongFeather, is your baby reflux-y? i think i recall you posting about that awhile ago. my son was/is reflux-y... he was gaining very slowly and sleeping very poorly until i figured it out at five weeks old. we chose to medicate him with liquid zantac (non-alcoholic formulation) and it has helped a lot. it has also equally helped a lot for me to totally watch my diet to remove all reflux triggers, coffee, carbonated drinks, chocolate, tomato anything, etc. etc.<br><br>
he cosleeps with me. nurses to sleep at 8 pm (after getting his zantac) or so, sleeps until maybe 11 pm, i get out of bed to nurse him overnight b/c doing it sitting up i *know* he gets more milk faster. i generally get a good burp or two and then he starts to fall back asleep even before i lay him down. repeat at 2 am, and again at 5 am. thereafter, i stay in bed with him and let him nurse sidelying (we do sidelying better when there is some daylight coming through). i stay in bed with him as long as possible (tough with my 3 yo, who gets up and moving at the crack of dawn). we get up, play together (the three of us) and go downstairs. he gets his zantac medicine again (two does a day), nurses again, and i put him in his swing, where he sleeps anywhere from one hour to three and a half. when he wakes up from that, we generally do something out of the house (gotta keep the three year old moving) , and then is awake off and on at least until bedtime again.<br><br>
so, yes, more than 12 hours. but before he was medicated and my diet was uncontrolled, it was barely 12 hours.<br><br>
that said, maybe your baby is not having problems from reflux (?) i would ask yourself if he seems generally happy, in a good mood, or does he seem stressed and crabby? is he still gaining well? (i bought a $30 scale, non digital, but i've come to trust it's accuracy) and everyday i weigh him to feel comfortable that it's been a good day for weight gain-- generally mine is putting on an ounce a day). also i've instituted a nightly bath time routine (for baby and three year old). i have yet to use any soap on baby at all, but he gets in his little bath tub and i pour warm water on him, which he seems to enjoy. and it's a signal/routine that this is the last part of the day before sleep.<br><br>
my feeling and from what i've read is that reflux-y babies/fussy babies benefit from routines. sometimes i can't avoid going out or having people over, but i notice that he spits up on those days/at those times, and seems generally fussier. i wear him out almost every single time, and he stays latched the entire time, but really not asleep for the most part.<br><br>
i hope all this helps. i don't mean to talk about myself too much, but wanted to give you some ideas if they seem like they could possibly help for getting your baby to sleep more. as a SAHM, having the little one sleep away some part of the day is i think a really really good thing. and i've noticed that my son seems to actually grow visibly after a good nap, and it certainly puts him in a better mood. he is touchy about loud noises waking him up, though.<br><br>
good luck with your little Sam!
 

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I think we're dealing with similar (non) sleepers. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Keagan is SLOWLY sleeping a little more, and I'm learning his routines a little better. But, he's pretty sleep-deprived in the grand scheme of things and I know that until I can get him to sleep for a decent (deep) block of time, he won't sleep well at all. Our secret at this point is letting him sleep in our bed during the day with the door shut (we surround him so he can't roll off of course- and the baby monitor is in the room so we can hear from a distance). DH can get him down when I'm out of sight, and if he manages this, he'll sometimes sleep for a four hour block- it's amazing, and the rest of the day goes much smoother! My other kids were able to sleep through normal household rhythms, but he is super sensitive to sound/activity and if he isn't deeply asleep, he'll wake every 20-30 minutes.<br><br>
Also, I've cut a lot out of my diet, and ramped up my healthy oils/fats, and my milk production is rebounding. I'd been block feeding to help with OAL, but I aws losing too much supply, so now I'm back to nursing both sides, and spraying him (and making him cranky!) at the start of a session, but he's more satisfied. I'm jealous of women with 'normal' milk production.
 

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Thanks ladies.<br><br>
ElliesMomma: Yes Sam was refluxy.. But after adjusting my diet for a while and using the Gripe Water through the worst of it, I think he's grown out of it. I would classify him as a "happy spitter" as of late. Spitting up a bit more lately, but still not as much as some babies I am told.<br><br><i>i would ask yourself if he seems generally happy, in a good mood, or does he seem stressed and crabby? is he still gaining well?</i><br><br>
Actaully that is the thing. he's a great happy baby at this point. Rarely cries, unless he's hungry and I can't whip out a boob for him quick enough! The DR. has never said anything that he is not gaining well. His birth weight was 5lbs 15 oz (born at 36 weeks), and at the last visit he was 10lbs 2oz.. but that was 3 weeks ago. He MUST be over 12 lbs now. I just feel it. (my own scale needs a battery<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> But in respnse he is truly a happy baby. This is all after the earlier reflux issues, then the no poop for over a week issue, and then I had over-active let down/possible oversupply on one side that was making him very cranky (confustication: I was block feeding also and now have cut thatout since my supply seemed to have slipped a bit too much, just like you)..hmm let's see..what else has my poor child had? In any case sam has had his share of "issues" and we are happily issue free, well except some nights we are up 4-5 times!!<br><br>
I cosleep with him. DH's theory is that I am "confusing him since he's snuggled so close to my breast he wakes up a bit and then thinks he needs to eat" So am I doing this cosleeping thing wrong? I did move him a bit further away last night and I think we were only up 3 times, but we went to sleep at 10pm and are "up" at 7..so not really enough quality sleep in there. He'll sleep maybe a 2-3 hour nap.. but hasn't been. then a couple 1 hour naps.<br><br><b>So yes 12 hours is it for a 24 hour period!!</b><br>
If he is happy and gaining should I be ok with this? I usually get him in bed at least by 8:30, but last night was hard for some reason. I just don't want Sam to miss out on all the healthy benefits of the sleep he needs!!<br><br>
and after reading this ramble the sleep I need, haha!!
 

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I'd definitely say Rowan is a 12hr a day sleeper, but maybe differently than Sam. I can't get this child to nap. So basically he's up from 7am til 7-8pm. Every 4-5 days he'll sleep for 2hrs during the day, but it's certainly not something I can count on. And he seems generally happy and content all day. Just Very Awake.<br><br>
Not napping, he'll go down 7-8pm and have feeding wake-ups around 11pm, 2am, 5am. He doesn't really open his eyes, just whines until he finds a boob. If he naps, he'll still go down around 7-8, but he'll officially wake up and want to play around 10-11pm. Either way, about 12hrs a day is all he gets for sleep.<br><br>
All grandparents, friends, etc. who spend time with us say it's not enough sleep. Both grandmothers are determined that they have the right solution for getting him to nap... it's funny. I indulge them - because hey, if they have a solution, AWESOME!! But it hasn't happened so far. :) And then they're amazed that he's happy and alert during the day so....
 

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My baby is sleeping a lot, but I noticed that during the day it can be light sleep... If I sleep with her, than her nap is longer/stronger. My friends' babies all sleep differently, and 2-3 have long streches during the day when they are just awake. As long as baby is happy and growing nicely - I would not be worried.<br><br>
Grandmas are funny - ours is visiting now and she is "complaining" that she almost never sees her grandaughter awake <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Hmmm, well, here's the thing...these smart little babies can trick us. IF a baby becomes 'overtired', his body will release cortisol into his system, which is a stress hormone similar to adrenaline. It makes them SEEM really wakeful - wideeyed even. It makes it harder for them to GO to sleep and even harder for them to STAY asleep. So, I wouldn't rely on him to tell you at this point if he's sleepy or not. Another good rule of thumb is that he shouldn't really be awake any longer than 2 hours at a crack - except maybe 1x a day when he's having his super alert and potentially fussy time. (for my babies, that's always the typical time of just before they crash for their long sleep of the night - so 4pm until 7pm and even then they'll usually sleep for a catnap of 20/45 minutes). Also, as a general guideline, as many days as he is 'off' on sleep, it will take him to get back 'on' in his sleep. It's basically a vicious circle!<br><br>
I would block off a couple days and try to get him to sleeping more. Do ALL the things that make him sleep and do them a lot to try to get him back to ground zero. Take car rides, wear him, take walks in the brisk air, nurse him - whatever, just get him sleep. (we had been known to drive an extra 30 minutes one direction and then turn around and go 30 minutes back just to get my high needs baby, Maddie, to finish her naps! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)<br><br>
I'm a total sleep nazi though - I think it's one of the two most important things for them - sleep and nutrition. It's how they grow cognitively and physically - and keeps them healthy! I've done LOADS of research on sleep, so if you want more advice/info, just let me know, I'd be happy to help!
 

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yes yes yes to everything julia said.<br><br>
after my 3rd child was chronically sleep-deprived for 18 mos, i did nothing but research sleep in children. lots of stuff you wouldn't think makes sense- esp. about them being overtired but seemingly wide awake, etc.<br><br>
some babies sleep when they need to, and others really do need to be "taught" how to sleep in meaningful amounts, at appropriate for them times.<br><br>
even if you don't want to let your baby cry at all, it's helpful to read healthy sleep habits, happy child by dr. marc weisbluth. his book is how i discovered about sleep deprivation and how dangerous it can be, long-term, and how i figured out how to help ds become a better sleeper (he didn't sleep more than 47 minutes at a clip until 18mos). it explains all sorts of sleep related stuff. very interesting reading.
 

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OK, Julia. I've got to say.... You may be right (fingers crossed)!!! My LO who doesn't nap... well, the past two days we've been taking walks in the brisk air... puts him Right to sleep. I could do this every day... sure!
 

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seconding the "healthy sleep habits" book. ada fights sleep so we've really been working on naps. i hadn't realized how fast time flies during the day and it's forced me to be more conscious of the 2-hour awake limits and to watch her for signs of fatigue. we're making progress on daytime sleep.<br>
a friend's 5 month-old had recently been waking every 2 hours and she also read the book, worked on naps, and pushed bedtime up and he sleeps through the night again.
 

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I want to chime in to agree with Julia and KayleeZoo.<br><br>
I also recommend a book called "Sleepless in America." It doesn't have any of the science in it that Healthy Sleep Habits has (which kind of annoyed me, frankly: a 300 page book about health that doesn't have a single footnote?), but it has lots of practical advice. I think it's really worth it to read both. They're both fairly long, but also the kind of books that you can get the basic idea by skimming and using the table of contents/index to figure out what info you need.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hmmm, well, here's the thing...these smart little babies can trick us. IF a baby becomes 'overtired', his body will release cortisol into his system, which is a stress hormone similar to adrenaline. It makes them SEEM really wakeful - wideeyed even. It makes it harder for them to GO to sleep and even harder for them to STAY asleep.</div>
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I wanted to add that adults totally get this too: when you're exhausted but lying in the dark with your eyes wide open and your mind moving at a mile a minute. Adults also get their second wind: when you're past the brink of exhaustion but suddenly get a burst of energy. Except it's not really good energy, and your reflexes are numb, you can't really think properly, you trip over everything, you can't remember anything. Think about it like that, and then imagine your poor baby like that!<br><br>
I also wanted to agree with her in stressing just how important sleep is for healthy development. Babies and kids on average get so much less sleep than they ever have before, and it's really not healthy.
 
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