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"not to strong arm you" my pediatrician said to me on Monday, "and I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but a couple THOUSAND children die each year from chicken pox"<br><br><br>
I just stared at him....<br><br>
I'm 9 months preggo, and my temper is very short. My husband just said thanks for the info, we'll think about it.<br><br>
now here is my question. Do children really die from CP? I had it as a child, and I knew a girl who had at in her teens. We both survived but that's only 2.....<br><br>
I hate HATE HATE going to the pediatricians office. I can't stand it when my daughter gets sick, because then I have to be lectured about vacc. Now my daycare center is pushing me on the issue....<br><br>
I don't know what to do or where to go. I can't not have her in daycare, because then I can't work, and can't pay my bills, don't suppose anyone has any advice, or could just tell me what to do because I feel like I'm drowning in information!!
 

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I was actually lucky enough to convince my husband that I had to quit my job in order to stay at home with my girl. After she was a year old, I stopped vaxxing her, and I wasn't about to fight with a daycare establishment at that point. Anyway, we are always living paycheck to paycheck, but I learned to cloth diaper, make my own foods, and we have fun staying home with family activities. Anyway... not trying to convince you to quit your job at all, but I just hate that parents feel pressure from daycare places.<br><br>
With that said, I am 36 years old, my husband 37 and we both had the chicken pox when we were 5 and back then it was a completely normal thing. We all had the chicken pox!! I remember when the vaccine came out, my mom and I cracked up about it, thinking "what the F??"<br><br>
Good for you about telling your ped you'll think about it!!<br><br>
Kristin
 

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I did that with my first baby, but we ended up with the whole mortgage thing, and in order to keep our house I have to work. I'd almost live in a cardboard box. As it is we only eat at home, I haven't put the heater above 60 degrees, I hang my clothes up indoors to dry.....ect....and we are still barely making it.<br><br>
If i were intelligent, or good at something, I'd start a home biz, but as it is, I just do'nt know what I would do? I can't sew, and I hate selling stuff.<br><br>
as my mother would say this too shall pass,<br><br>
but wha tthe hell do I do in the meantime? and a new baby on the way? i ahve to start these arguments all over again!!!!!
 

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Um, NO, that number is waaaay off. In 2003, only 2 deaths were reported from chickenpox. The disease is fatal in only about 1 in every 65,000 cases. Plus, according to the CDC, most deaths occur in immunocompetent children and adults.
 

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Where do I find those numbers??????? I would so love to throw that in his face our next visit!!!!!
 

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No, he's either mistaken or purposefully attempting to scare you.<br><br>
Here's the breakdown:<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf</a><br><br>
Varicella begins on page 5.<br><br>
Personally, I've found it's pointless to argue with a doctor.<br><br>
But if <b>he</b> believes this to be true, I'd ask him why he's suggesting a vax that clearly doesn't work.
 

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I hate that it's causing you so much anxiety to go to your pediatrician. Is there anyway you can search for a friendly delayed-vax ped? Please note, I know you are having another baby, so this is stressful enough to start over with anything at this point. But I did find the ped I have now from local women (finding my tribe forums) about a year ago. There are ways around this so that you can take out the anxiety part that we've all been through. Do you have to stay with this particular ped?<br><br>
When I was still with my old ped, I kept calling and rescheduled appts to let more time lapse until that next vaccine meeting. Then I found the new ped who allows me to manage my own child.
 

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I'm sure other folks will mention it, but a family practice doc may be more willing to let you be responsible for your kid's vaccinations. That doc sounds like a UA violation and you deserve better.
 

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Here's a link to an article from Mothering<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/child_health/chickenpox_party.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...pox_party.html</a>
 

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You have just become religiously opposed to the practice of vaccination. You can say that to your Dr and the daycare. You can print out a copy of this and highlight all the passages supportive of parent choice and Dr's respecting that choice.<br><br><a href="http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/pediatrics;115/5/1428.pdf" target="_blank">http://aappolicy.aappublications.org...115/5/1428.pdf</a><br><b>pg 1430</b><br><br>
This is the CT school exemption form:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><a href="http://www.ct.gov/dph/lib/dph/infectious_diseases/pdf%20forms%20&%20newsletters/religious_exemption_form.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ct.gov/dph/lib/dph/infect...ption_form.pdf</a> I/we hereby assert that the immunization of this student would be contrary to the<br>
religious beliefs of this child. Therefore, this child shall be exempt from the required<br>
immunizations under Section 10-204a of the Connecticut General Statutes and shall be<br>
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Some have added "confirmed" in front of "vaccine-preventable disease outbreak<br>
in the school.<br><br>
Or you could try submitting a letter like the one below:<br><br><a href="http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/10/vaccine_exemption.htm" target="_blank"><b>Religious Exemptions</b></a><br><br><a href="http://www.goodlight.net/nyvic/law/wexler/default.htm" target="_blank">The Wexler Decision</a><br><br><b>To find out what exemptions are offered by your state (for school and such) check here:<br><a href="http://www.nvic.org/state-site/state-exemptions.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nvic.org/state-site/state-exemptions.htm</a><br><br>
All states except West Virginia and Mississippi offer religious and/or philosophical exemptions, and the supreme court ruled that you do not have to belong to a non-vaxing religion or have clergy sign your religious exemption.</b> Exemptions can be submitted in lieu of vaccination records (I would do it this way).<br>
The US Supreme Court ruling that determined that you do not have to belong to a particular religion to use a religious exemption is<b>:</b> <span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;"><b>Sherr v. Northport-East Northport Union Free Sch. Dist., 672 F. Supp. 81, 89-90 (E.D. N.Y. 1987)</b></span></span></span><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/...es_chptr13.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:small;">http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/consent.htm<br>
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/...es_chptr13.htm<br></span></span></span></a> &a mp;a mp;a mp;n bsp; Sample Religious Exemption Letter:<br><i>To whom it may concern;<br><br><br><br>
(We / I) {First and Last name(s)}, as the {(parent (s) / guardian(s)} of ______________________(name of newborn child) are exercising (our/my) rights under the US Constitution, PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, ARTICLE 21. CONTROL OF ACUTE COMMUNICABLE DISEASES,TITLE VI. POLIOMYELITIS AND OTHER DISEASES, NY CLS Pub Health § 2164 (2002), to receive Religious Exemption from Vaccination, ALL injections, prophylaxis, & testing due to our genuine and sincere religious beliefs which are contrary to the practices herein required.<br><br>
The US Supreme Court ruled in Sherr v. Northport-East Northport Union Free Sch. Dist., 672 F. Supp. 81, 89-90 (E.D. N.Y. 1987), that a religious belief is subject to protection even though no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not advocate or require such belief. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as amended Nov. 1, 1980; Part 1605.1-Guidelines on Discrimination Because of Religion.<br><br>
Sincerely,<br><br>
Your signature.<br>
Date<br>
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I'm in Ct and exemptions here are really pretty easy....there are also some pretty ok peds around. Have you tried posting in the tribal area?
 

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1. An exemption to help set boundaries with your DCP.<br><br>
2. Find another doctor. Either your doctor is uninformed or manipulative. Both of which are kind of scary when we're talking about the health of your children. Have you considered a family practice doctor?
 

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I agree with PP and get an exemption. You don’t need to fight with daycare and they can not exclude you for being religiously opposed to vaccines. I agree that your tribal area will have some recommendations for a pediatrician. It’s so nice to have a ped that is fine with non vaxing families.<br><br>
As for working….it sucks!! I know, I am doing it. DH is in school and I am the only income source. There is no possible way to stay home. We have cut out everything from cable, phone, hanging clothes to dry, cloth diapers, not going out to eat, etc, etc. It’s so hard when you skim down to nothing and still barely make it but that is how life goes. Check out the working mama tribe because I found a lot of support there too.<br><br>
He is way off on the chicken pox deaths. When I was little every kid got chicken pox. I had never heard of anyone going to the hospital or even the doctor for that matter. Healthy children do just fine with the chickenpox.
 

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Your doc sounds like an idiot! Good for you for standing strong!!!<br><br>
With that said, why do you continue to see someone you can't respect? I would absolutely search for a new ped or a family practitioner who is more holistic -- and more intelligent. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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If you start reading online government health info and other publications (eg. brochure produced by Manitoba Health), it doesn't take too long before you see several references to the ECONOMIC costs of chicken pox. It seems pretty clear that the savings realized by not having moms and dads off-work (to care for sick kids) was a far more compelling argument in governments adopting the vaccine - much more so than the real, but rare, risk of complications.<br><br>
I find the chicken pox vaccine really interesting, actually. The timing of its introduction has allowed me to know first-hand what a normal, usually-uncomplicated childhood illness chicken pox is. I'm betting that by the time my children become parents, chicken pox will be villified by the medical establishment with the same ferocity as we now see toward diseases that have been vaccinated against for decades. Sort of makes me wonder about the severity of some of these other illnesses and the "necessity" of vaccinations against them.<br><br>
Just some food for thought.
 

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But, hey! The good news is he wasn't trying to strong arm you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">
 

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Where are you in CT? My ped is very supportive of our decisions. She is in Avon. PM if you want more info.<br><br>
I wouldn't trust a word that ped says.
 

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Hahahahaha...oh mama I'm not laughing at your situation, but the doc. "Not to strongarm you...". I would have come back with, "No offense, but you're an idiot."<br><br>
I third a General Practitioner. They don't seem to have the same desire to vax, mostly because their patients span across all age ranges so I don't think they don't get kickbacks from pharma for high vax rates. They also seem less likely to make judgement calls about your parenting (cd, co-sleeping, extended bf and the like).
 
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