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You people who are not outraged and completely pissed at our dimwitted Squatter in Residence will love this bit of news...<br><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/27/iraq/main575441.shtml?cmp=EM8707" target="_blank">MORE Reservists Called Up~AGAIN</a><br><br>
Can you imagine the nerve of other countries not coming to our aid????? They are SOOOOO unforgiving!<br><br>
You know I just have to calm down before I can post more.
 

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Can you say quagmire? How about slippery slope, or primrose path? What a wheeze. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/ROTFLMAO.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rotflmao"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/ROTFLMAO.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rotflmao"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/ROTFLMAO.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rotflmao">
 

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Hilary... there is a difference. Part of it is the huge swing in perception and attention level. When whoever is living at 1600 Pennsylvania has a big troop movement afoot they always make a big show of going to the least attractive place they can think of and carving a turkey with the soldiers (with of course the entire press corps in tow!) Letters of support and kindness pour out from churches and schools across the nation, soldiers are regularly featured in their hometown papers, etc, etc... and then, a few short months later, they are almost totally forgotten. They never asked for the attention, the press, the Pres, etc.... but once it has been given the sudden absence of it is disheartening. Like somehow the guy who sat your post LAST Thanksgiving and was getting shot at was making a greater sacrafice or was, in some intangible way, more valuable than you... sitting the same post, getting shot at just the same.<br><br>
And yes, it is an all volunteer military at this time.. but the recruiters have honeyed tongues and most of them (the Marines being a usual exception) do their very best to sell a stint in the military (including the reserves... hell, especially the reserves!) as a combo character building exercise/ scholarship program. Should the recruiters be more forthcoming? Sure. Should recruits be more savvy, more clear eyed about what they are agreeing to? Sure. Does the 'volunteer military' survive by taking advantage of the bottom levels of society and those who have little or no opportunity for advancement without agreeing to be cannon fodder for the Beltway chickenhawks? You bet your ass it does.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">And yes, it is an all volunteer military at this time.. but the recruiters have honeyed tongues and most of them (the Marines being a usual exception) do their very best to sell a stint in the military (including the reserves... hell, especially the reserves!) as a combo character building exercise/ scholarship program. Should the recruiters be more forthcoming? Sure. Should recruits be more savvy, more clear eyed about what they are agreeing to? Sure. Does the 'volunteer military' survive by taking advantage of the bottom levels of society and those who have little or no opportunity for advancement without agreeing to be cannon fodder for the Beltway chickenhawks? You bet your ass it does.</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">"People forget how many soldiers we have overseas," she said. "If it's not on the front page, people forget about us. That's the morale killer."</td>
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Well, if the Pentagon and this Administration didn't have news blackouts on soldiers' bodies returning home; if the media had more interviews with soldiers and families, etc, we'd never think about anything other than trying to get them home NOW!<br><br>
But Bush and Rummy don't want us to pressure them to bring them home! They want us to forget what they are going through over there, not to be unappreciative, but so they can fight the war that Bush wants. They want these harsh and long deployments to be the status quo in the minds of Americans.
 

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Spend 5 minutes talking to a vet who signed himself up at..what? 18? 19? The ripe old age of 20? How many great decisions do YOU remember making at that age? Yeah. Exactly.<br><br>
My friend was sold some hard physcial training and easy sex with underage whores in the pacific islands. At 18 he thought he was getting a great deal. Talk to him now. He still has nightmares. At least he made it back. Many of these kids in this Gulf War won't.<br><br>
What an unbelivable waste of lives and cash.<br><br>
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Sure did. Then I stupidly recommended it to my jarhead pal and he ended up having a little nervous breakdown. It so perfectly echoed his own bitter experience. I felt really rotten after that episode but we are closer pals now that he was able to read the book and sort of process what happened to him and is still, in a very real sense, still happening to him. He was an armorer. Not a fancy sniper/scout as Swofford was.<br><br>
My friend said he joined to get laid, shoot big guns and kill things. He got all that plus nightmares for life. What. A. Deal. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!"><br><br>
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Yup. I think the most valuable point Swafford makes is the degree to which young men are brainwashed away from their humanity so they can be more effective tools of warfare. All well and good for winning wars, but then they come home and have to figure out how to be people again. If more people understood that war hurts the "winning" country as much as the losing one, even when they are thousands of miles apart the world would be much safer.
 
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