[TzippityDoulah]

ok I has suspected a yeast overgrowth in my system for a while now. I'm very very VERY bloated, gaining weight, acne, low energy, and cravings carbs 24-7. The bloating gets worse after eating even a tiny amount of sugar, carbs, or fruits.<br><br>
I've tried sticking to a "low yeast diet" but the diet is SO hard and so boring. not to mention it's very expensive and no one else in my family could bare to live by it. I started taking "candida be-gone" supplement for almost 2 mos and now I'm taking pill form probiotics. when I take them and stick to the diet it seems slightly better... but if i eat one bad thing or miss one pill I GAIN weight.<br><br>
I'm bored with even trying this diet (and I'm horrible at it anyway). and it seems as no one website or book agrees on what to or not to eat on a yeast free diet!!! some advise good yeast, some say no dairy etc..<br><br>
and I feel weird about cutting out SO much foods and the toll it could take on your body. one day I found out about WAPF and I've been reading a lot about it. it makes so much more since to me. I tried eating as much in line with it as I could today and I felt better (I think) and I even lost half a pound. (which I often do and then gain back the next day!)<br><br>
but my belly is SO bloated... it always is. like 6 mos pregnant looking or something. it's so very embarrassing! and it's very uncomfortable and I wear only very very loose clothing which is a huge PITA!<br><br>
Has anyone had experience with yeast overgrowth and the WAP diet/lifestyle? Did you have to still give up ALL carbs and fruits? or did giving your body better nutrients help ward off the overgrowth and get you back to normal?<br><br>
I'm so lost and I'm SO sick of being FAT! I eat well and exercise all of the time and I'm generally heathly. but I have to much bad fat on my body and not enough energy. I'm about 5'3.5 and 181lbs. and that is just no good for my shape.<br><br><br>
thanks in advance!

 

[caedmyn]

I haven't gotten rid of my yeast overgrowth yet, but from my experience thus far, you're going to have to cut out foods. I ate whole foods for a year (NT the last 3 months of that) before figuring out I had yeast issues, which were getting worse. I cut out a bunch of foods on one diet, which didn't help (although it wasn't specifically designed for yeast and still allowed fruit & honey, which didn't help). Finally I find an anti-candida diet designed around NT principles, which is what I'm doing now. Yes it is very limited as far as foods (only eggs, meat, good fats, and low carb veggies). The information for this diet is at the candidasupport yahoo group.<br><br>
You can also check out the "Healing the Gut Tribe" thread in Health & Healing--several of us are dealing with yeast overgrowths and following this or other diets for it.

 

[Pinky Tuscadero]

Just a thought here...<br>
If vinegar kills yeast wouldn't drinking kombucha help?

 

[Persephone]

read this: <a href="http://www.susunweed.com/herbal_ezine/Weed_letter_Mar-02.htm#q2" target="_blank">http://www.susunweed.com/herbal_ezin..._Mar-02.htm#q2</a>

 

[nicholas_mom]

Try coconut flour or coconut milk kefir see the post going on now:<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=511342" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=511342</a><br><br>
then click on the <b>2nd link</b> provided regarding benefits of young coconuts.<br><br>
"What People Say About Coconut Water Kefir<br>
It completely stops your cravings for sugar. Imagine the benefits of that!<br>
It aids digestion of all foods<br><br>
It has a tonifying affect on the intestines, even flattening the abdomen!<br><br>
It appears to cleanse the liver. In Chinese medicine the liver rules the skin, eyes, and joints. Coconut water kefir eases aches and joint pains. Many people report having a prettier complexion. They experience the brown liver spots on the skin fading away and skin tags, moles, or warts drying up and disappearing. Vision also improves.<br><br>
It contains high levels of valuable minerals, including potassium, natural sodium, calcium, and magnesium, which explains why the hair, skin and nails become stronger and have a prettier shine.<br><br>
It appears to have a beneficial, cleansing effect on the endocrine system (adrenals, thyroid, pituitary, ovaries). Women find that their periods are cleaner and healthier; some who had experienced early menopause have found this important monthly cleansing returning again.<br><br>
It increases energy and gives you an overall feeling of good health."<br><br><br>
I got a book from the library called "Cooking with Coconut Flour". It has a chapter on the benefits of coconut flour to the intestines, including helping get rid of IBD, yeast overgrowth, etc.<br><br><a href="http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/" target="_blank">http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/</a>

 

[TzippityDoulah]

Thank everyone! tonight I will look into all those things (when I have alone time with the computer, with OUT kids running around! haha)<br><br>
Everyone one else has told me that vinegar feeds yeast and so I'm trying to stay away form it. which means NO tasty condiments (even homemade) pickled foods or whatever. THAT is very difficult! it also seems completely out of line with the NT/WAP diet style...<br><br>
ok gotta run! Keep the advise coming! =)

 

[newcastlemama]

You could make mayo without vinegar and add lemon juice instead I believe. Probably the smae with homemade ketchup too. I am having a test done soon to see if I have candida so I may be jumping on board with you.<br><br>
Jennifer

 

[Hibou]

I don't know if this will help or not, but I was very prone to getting bloated before I started NT. I found that soaking/sprouting all of my grains/legumes/nuts/seeds/etc. has made a huge difference. I hardly get that awful bloated feeling anymore. I have also cut back on these foods in the last few months and boosted my activity level which has helped me to slim down a few more inches. I still have a weakness for popcorn<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yummy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yummy"> and sometimes when we are away from home I eat these things, and I notice a major difference. Maybe you can start by cutting out all un-soaked/un-sprouted grains and see how you feel and go from there.

 

[caedmyn]

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Has anyone actually tried doing what she recommends here? It is totally opposite of everything else I've read about treating yeast overgrowths. It would be great if it would work (much easier than what I'm doing now) but I'm a bit skeptical.

 

[tamagotchi]

I don't know why, but we started eating more NT-style a few months back, and for the last two months I have been having yeast infections ... for the first time in my life!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I have always been a healthy person with no digestive problems or yeast issues. I'm hoping it's just my body flora re-adjusting themselves, but it's disconcerting!

 

[AnnC]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know if this will help or not, but I was very prone to getting bloated before I started NT. I found that soaking/sprouting all of my grains/legumes/nuts/seeds/etc. has made a huge difference. I hardly get that awful bloated feeling anymore. I have also cut back on these foods in the last few months and boosted my activity level which has helped me to slim down a few more inches. I still have a weakness for popcorn<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yummy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yummy"> and sometimes when we are away from home I eat these things, and I notice a major difference. Maybe you can start by cutting out all un-soaked/un-sprouted grains and see how you feel and go from there.</div>
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I used to have a lot of water retention in my legs and ankles, and that goes away when I am pretty strict with NT.<br><br>
Ann

 

[Persephone]

caedmyn, I haven't, because I don't have yeast issues, but it seems very NTish, and seemed to fit well in this thread. I do know that when I thought I had thrush I was putting vinegar on my nipples, and eating yogurt with extra probiotics in it.

 

[TzippityDoulah]

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nope I havent tried it but I like it in theory. I am leary of cutting out so many healthy things like the other diets recommend and honestly it's not something I have any desire to do! it's so hard to live like a monk when you're a mama! if i could site around and desprive myself as a means of quiet discipline that'd be dandy! But I need my energy and quicker meals and all that. that may sound rediculous, but I would love to know there is an easier way to hanlde this.<br><br>
I'm so new to this whole NT/WAP foods thing. I just started getting into it I avent even started soaking my grains and bean yet b/c I need to figure out how (is there a book?? I'm only getting stuff from the the website).<br><br>
though the NT methods of cooking may take longer, it is not deprivation you know? it feels like a pleasure in a lot of ways. like I'm getting to cook all this wonder georgeous delicious food AND it's good for me!? no way! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
the yeast free diet feels like jail to me. I always rebell. i don't mean to.. but I find myself out at the grocery and then as life always does with kids, you are out longer than you think and it's lunch and the kids are screaming and you need something FAST! this is my downfall b/c everthing fast is NOT high in protien and low in sugar and fat that isn't a fruit or grain!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: NT gives me a little more protien to get me thru the day... but not just almonds which last about 15 mins for me til I'm starved!<br><br>
anyhow thanks for the link... I'm going to try that path for a while I think.<br><br><br>
btw It's super late and I'm pooped out so forgive the tyops and run on thoughts please!

 

[provocativa]

Nak. . . I have kind of done her method, and it has almost worked! Not much of a testimonial, ha, but I'm almost there. My only setback is financial. If I skip my homemade kefir, the thrush I battled for 2.5 years comes back. I take Rubin's probiotics ( for soil organisms) occaisionally. But enzyme therapy helped me immensely, too. I used Candex, but Enzymedica and Candidase are out there too. If you crave it, you're not digesting it properly, according to the theory. more later, must corral a wild 3 year old. . .

 

[nicholas_mom]

I've been reading about the body ecology diet because of the coconut water kefir. Apparently this coconut water kefir gets rid of the taste for sweets. Also the BED is suppose to help with canadida overgrowth, I think. I am going over the diet now.<br><br>
There is someone in BAltimore, MD more trained in the Body Ecology Diet and is very helpful at <a href="http://getintobalance.com" target="_blank">http://getintobalance.com</a>. Check her out! Also, The Body Ecology site is: <a href="http://bodyecology.com" target="_blank">http://bodyecology.com</a>.

 

[provocativa]

Weed is right. . . albicans is everywhere. Better just to be stronger than the organism itself. Kefir and sourdoughs contain stronger yeasts. I love her suggestion of drinking dirt- much better on the wallet than Rubin. My taste for sweets is definitely different now, but I was never a sugar junkie. With the difference I've had just with the kefir and NTish eating, it's perfectly obvious that with a little more dirt, sun, raw, and ferments, it would be a non issue.

 

[TzippityDoulah]

These are all very interesting ideas! I have much to think and try incooperate into my diet! I like that this tyle of eating is so basic. common sense. real.<br><br>
it seems I get one way of eating down, try it, get good at cooking it... and it doesn't work!<br><br>
So I've been trying to think common sense. and eating NT really seems it. I'm leary of off the wall things b/c it seems i have no luck with it. if I on the other hand can understand and make sense of the diet/cooking/style of eating then I am willing to give it a shot.<br><br>
i'm sick of the "eat only cashew and water" kinda crap. or only brown rice and cabbage. etc....<br><br>
gee... am I ranting? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
on the other hand I *think* since I've been eating higher protein (and yes even fatty) foods my stomache isn't so bloated. but I thik I gained 2 lbs! (then again I'm on my period so it could be that)