[tb12342002]

Anyway around it? I am in WA state and if I go the RN route before the CPM route, vaxes are part of the requirement. I know I have basically a ton of vaxes already, but I have no records of them, don't care to prove it, and don't care to get anymore if needed.<br><br>
Anyone able to get in and not do them/prove them?

 

[alegna]

Just claim a religious objection. I don't know of any nursing program who admits to descriminating on the basis of religion.<br><br>
-Angela

 

[tb12342002]

Well, one of the instructors and higher ups goes to the same church as I do. Otherwise I'd do it. I do claim philosophical for my boys. And since it isn't a private setting, I should be able to go with that right?

 

[WuWei]

Could you have titre's drawn? That is what I did.<br><br>
Pat

 

[alegna]

I would NOT attempt philosophical. They don't have to respect that.<br><br>
You can have religiously held beliefs against vaccination and belong to a church that doesn't.<br><br>
-Angela

 

[tb12342002]

Thats a good point Angela..........<br><br>
Philosphical won't hold up even in WA state?

 

[tb12342002]

Pat-would the titres be at my expense though?

 

[maxmama]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thats a good point Angela..........<br><br>
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Philosophical and religious exemptions carry the same weight in WA. We are the least-churched state in the country, you know.

 

[alegna]

But exemptions as such are for kids in school. Not adults. It's a whole different ballgame. You need to have a religious objection to avoid something otherwise mandated by health authorities.<br><br>
-Angela

 

[WuWei]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Pat-would the titres be at my expense though?</div>
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I think a hospital associated with the school would draw them through the employee health dept. Otherwise, most GP probably can code it so that you get reimbursement.<br><br>
Pat

 

[maxmama]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But exemptions as such are for kids in school. Not adults. It's a whole different ballgame. You need to have a religious objection to avoid something otherwise mandated by health authorities.<br><br>
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You can't have a personal philosophical objection for yourself?<br><br>
Anyway, it's the individual school that makes its own imms policy, not health authorities. Not all schools require the same imms.

 

[alegna]

I wouldn't count on it.<br><br>
-Angela

 

[WuWei]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You can't have a personal philosophical objection for yourself?<br><br>
Anyway, it's the individual school that makes its own imms policy, not health authorities. Not all schools require the same imms.</div>
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Since enrollment or employment at an institution is not compulsory, unlike public schooling, I don't know that anything other than religious objections to any "customs" or "personal preferences" would be honored. One has the choice not to participate. That covers freedom of association and freedom of religion.<br><br>
Jmho, Pat

 

[Plummeting]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Anyway, it's the individual school that makes its own imms policy, not health authorities. Not all schools require the same imms.</div>
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Where is LI? Anyone know? She's the expert on the vaccination laws in the US, but she's not around, so we're all having to fill in for her. Here's my attempt at playing LI:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Some health programs such as nursing do add additional immunizations for entry into those programs, however, the schools must follow state immunization requirements, if any. For example, if the state requires meningococcal for college entry, the school must comply.</td>
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[alegna]

LI should be back soon....<br><br>
-Angela

 

[Plummeting]

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/Immunize/documents/collegesurvey.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/Immunize/documents/collegesurvey.pdf</a><br><br>
While WA does not have immunization requirements in place for colleges, if the college refuses to admit a student who claims to hold a religious belief opposed to immunization, they risk losing federal funding (unless the college doesn't accept funding, which is not common these days).<br><br>
A college student in WA should not use philosophical reasons to refuse the school's immunization requirements, if any. They should use religion b/c they will have constitutional protections if the school refuses to enroll them and the school accepts funding. If it is a truly private school and the school denies enrollment, then there's nothing they can do.</div>
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[CookieMonsterMommy]

But the thing is...when I went to nursing school, the school would have let me off (religious only--this is NY), but the individual private hospitals didnt have to let me do clinicals there, so there's the catch. I wouldn't have been able to fulfil the requirements of my degree and thus wouldn't have graduated.<br><br>
Titers should be covered by insurence. Just keep in mind, they go away. I mentioned on another thread that my measles or my mumps showed up non-immune (or equivocal, which they wouldn't accept).<br><br><br>
Just curious--why would you go the RN route before the CPM route? You will not be trained in natural birth "management" either in clinicals or in lecture. No moreso then you could read yourself in a ny midwifery text. OT, I know, sorry.

 

[WuWei]

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To my knowledge, there are few, if any hospitals which do not receive federal funding in the way of Medicare/Medicaid, however. So, this in an unlikely obstacle, imo.<br><br>
Pat

 

[WuWei]

If you do choose to be vaccinated, I'd be sure that you receive the single disease, single dose versions, without thimerasol. Many adult vaccines do contain the mercury derivative, such as Td, iirc. Also, do not take within 4 weeks of any illness, no NSAIDs, and space them a minimum of 4 weeks apart. Good Luck on getting them to agree to that.<br><br>
As a non-practicing RN, adamantly opposed to arbitrary vaccination, this is an interesting conundrum. But, I'd just claim religious objection and see how that went.<br><br>
Pat

 

[amnesiac]

Would a hospital be legally obligated to allow an unvaxed college student patient care access? I mean they aren't employing those individuals & they aren't actually affiliated with the school the individual attends, so what exactly is the relationship that would require acceptance, KWIM?