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I am not kidding. In the 2005 version, the AAP monograph on breastfeeding contained this footnote:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I just looked now and it's been removed from the 2007 version, but at the time I was introducing my younger to solids (2005), the Committee on Nutrition was still saying that for <i>some</i> children, six months was on the late side. Obviously not those with a family history of allergies or the like.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I just looked now and it's been removed from the 2007 version, but at the time I was introducing my younger to solids (2005), the Committee on Nutrition was still saying that for <i>some</i> children, six months was on the late side. Obviously not those with a family history of allergies or the like.</div>
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Based on new information, they are now saying to wait until after 6 months for all babies.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I agree.<br><br>
Change of medication can cause changes in milk.<br><br>
As he won't drink the EBM either it sounds to me like it is affecting the taste and he doesn't like it.<br><br>
As you did change the meds back I would keep offering. It might take a bit for the meds to get out of your system.</div>
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He actually started taking EBM from a sippy cup (finally) on what...day 4? (one of my posts had that info). I know a sippy cup isn't ideal, but I am getting EBM into him and that's important to me.<br><br>
Wellbutrin has a half life of 12 - 24 hours or something like that. So, it's way gone now and he's loving it again. Just not from the tap. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">But she did mention that her child is a very picky eater and to me that is a concern.<br><br>
Of course people recommend helping their children become more independant and AP is a large part of that.<br><br>
IMO, rejecting the breast AND EBM at the same time she changed meds implies that the meds are affecting the taste of her milk. Different foods can cause this as well as hormonal changes.<br><br>
For instance whenever I ate curry dd was all over me, curry bm made her crazy, I would just be cooking it and she would get a wild look in her eye. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Babies do get irritated or annoyed when their BM isn't just how they like it. IMO, as her child doesn't eat many solids they aren't ready to wean. Also, her child is having a problem with a tooth which can definately affect BF.<br><br>
No one wants to force a child who is ready to wean to nurse. From what she has said, it doesn't seem as if her child is ready to wean but that this is a strike.<br><br>
All the advice on this thread is going off of her feelings and the information she provided, that this is a strike and not a readiness to wean.<br><br>
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He is a picky eater, but that is pretty typical of toddlers. This week is eating a nice variety. Not concerned this week at all with regards to solids. And yes, he's self-feeding. I put stuff out and he grazed whenever he feels like crawling over to where it is.<br><br>
I <i>am</i> still calling this a strike (it was abrupt, the timing was suspiciously close to the new meds, and being only 13 mos its pretty young....and he's got molars coming and was sick. Many reasons that he could've gone on strike. And I think you're right-- nothing can make a baby get back if they are truly done. I am still trying everything I can think of, although I will admit I am less optimistic and getting rejected time and time again gets a little old.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I still remember the look my daughter gave me the last time I tried to nurse her at about a year. She literally pushed me away- with both hands and a very determined look. She's 18 now and not much I can do about it.</div>
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That's what Miles looks like. Every time. You hit the nail right on the head. He acts like, "what don't you understand? I do NOT want any. Geesh, lady!"<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Curry is most definitely NOT too spicy for babies! My baby (and now toddler) eats exactly the same things we do, including the spicy stuff. Sure, I usually tone down the heat a bit for her with some cream or something, but in cultures which eat lots of spicy foods, the babies get fed the same things adults eat.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">:<br>
Think Thailand, India, many other countries whose babes grow up on exactly what mom and dad eat. But, I digress...that's OT....<br><br><br><br>
Thanks pixiepunk <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">:<br>
It's 9 days now and he's still not going for the boob. I am pumping about 18 ozs/day, and he's eating about that much a day. kellymom.com says this is "normal" for his age, but it's much less than he was 2 weeks ago (all night feeder and 3-5/daytime)<br><br>
The molars are still in there-- none have erupted yet.<br><br>
Like I said, I am still pumping and <i>trying</i> to stay as optimistic as possible <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> but I am also trying to mentally and emotionally prepare for what may come. I must say that I am extremely proud to be <i>at least</i> still be giving him EBM during the day and will continue to pump as long as I can do so and still maintain my sanity.
 

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I'm sorry to hear your little guy is still not nursing. But, good that he will take the EBM.<br><br>
Have you tried bathing together? I've heard that often works.
 

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Just another <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> mama.
 

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thanks mamamoo <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> (for you too)<br><br>
sunnsideup-- yea, we've done lots of that. he pokes and laughs at them but no BF. but we enjoy the bath, that's for sure <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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you are amazing, vanessa.<br>
just amazing.<br><br><br><br><br>
c'mon molars! just erupt already so we know if that's part of it!<br>
mama, you rock.
 

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i was thinking the same thing. very few mamas would be so dedicated. to consider still pumping to keep that bm in him. wow. i know i've said it before, but i'll say it again. what a lucky little guy.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i was thinking the same thing. very few mamas would be so dedicated. to consider still pumping to keep that bm in him. wow. i know i've said it before, but i'll say it again. what a lucky little guy.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"></div>
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aaaawww shucks.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">No one advised her to withhold food and water if he won't nurse. Try rereading the posts. No one said that.</div>
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actually post #19 does.....<br><br>
and (this) homey don't play that.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> i wouldn't want to make our situation any more traumatic.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">actually post #19 does.....<br><br>
and (this) homey don't play that.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> i wouldn't want to make our situation any more traumatic.</div>
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Good for you Vanessa. The important thing is that your child is happy and secure that he'll be getting his food the way he desires it. If there is one thing I've learned from having so many children is that they are all very, very different. My second DS weaned VERY early. Honestly I don't even remember exactly how old he was, but by the time he came along, we were having regular family meals and he desired doing what his older brother was doing more than breastfeeding. I just went with it. As you know, you can't MAKE them go back to the breast. Some of the advice you've been given on how to try that gives me creepy, crawly feelings.<br><br>
Parenting is a journey that takes us down paths we never pictured ourselves on as we learn to adapt to the individual needs of our children. While you pictured yourself breastfeeding him for much longer, he's taking you down a different path now so you must adapt and accept. That's what makes a good parent. The way I see it, he's still getting EBM from you and he's still eating. So what's the problem? Regardless of why he initially weaned (or went on strike to some) he's now content and prefers drinking from a cup and eating. He's eventually supposed to do this. That's what humans do! I would continue pumping for as long as you desire and continue offering a wide variety of nutritious foods.<br><br>
Incidentally, my second DS is an honor roll student. My first son isn't. Go figure! He's always known what he wants, when, and how to get it. I think that's a great quality to have even if it sometimes drives me batty!
 

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Parenting is a journey that takes us down paths we never pictured ourselves on as we learn to adapt to the individual needs of our children. While you pictured yourself breastfeeding him for much longer, he's taking you down a different path now so you must adapt and accept. That's what makes a good parent. The way I see it, he's still getting EBM from you and he's still eating. So what's the problem? Regardless of why he initially weaned (or went on strike to some) he's now content and prefers drinking from a cup and eating. He's eventually supposed to do this. That's what humans do! I would continue pumping for as long as you desire and continue offering a wide variety of nutritious foods.</div>
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Thanks lotsofkids. BTW, how many do you have??????<br><br>
It's been 11.5 days. Seems he's taking more EBM during the day. That makes me happy.<br>
Oh, and his molar finally broke through.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> He still declines the boob, but I'll bet the other 3 molars are still bugging him.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:<br><br>
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great that he's taking the EBM - at least you know he's getting the good stuff in him. and oh my do molar suck. at least the one that was really giving him trouble broke through. can't remember if you said you'd tried teething tablets, but they really do work wonders, at least they have for both my kids.
 

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I have tried those-- hyland's-- they are only so-so for miles. now we will wait for the other 4 teeth that still have yet to come through....
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Regardless of why he initially weaned (or went on strike to some) he's now content and prefers drinking from a cup and eating. He's eventually supposed to do this. That's what humans do!</div>
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So, you're saying that when a baby goes on a nursing strike we should not encourage him/her to go back to nursing, because humans eventually are supposed to drink from a cup? By that logic, why not start them on a cup at birth? My 2nd baby went on a nursing strike at 5 months old due to pacifier use. The poor kid would have starved himself if it was up to him because he prefered that stupid pacifier.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I understand that some nursing strikes do lead to weaning, regardless of mom's efforts to continue with nursing, and of course a mom shouldn't blame herself if that happens. At some point you let it go. But I don't understand why you have such a problem with a mother trying to encourage a baby to continue nursing.<br><br>
No one is saying a baby should be forced to nurse--how would you do that anyway????
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I understand that some nursing strikes do lead to weaning, regardless of mom's efforts to continue with nursing, and of course a mom shouldn't blame herself if that happens. At some point you let it go.</div>
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at what point? just curious what all of your opinions are on this. I may be opening a can of worms with this, but I would like to know. And I know it's a very personal decision-- but WWYD if you were in my situation?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">No one is saying a baby should be forced to nurse--how would you do that anyway????</div>
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I think what made her uncomfortable (and me) was the suggestion in post #19 to withhold food, assuming that by the end of the day baby would be deperate enough to come back to the boob.
 

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that is such a hard question. it really is such a personal decision, i think. i mean, shoot, i know it sounds crazy to most of us here, but there are some moms who would've been thrilled to have a nursing strike lead to weaning at that age - kwim?<br><br>
it's so hard for me to put myself mentally in that situation, having not been in those same circumstances - i have no idea what i'd do, to tell you the truth, other than just try till i didn't feel i wanted to try anymore. but what length of time that would be, or how much i would do until i reached that point? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: no idea.<br><br>
what i do know is that you've done everything you possibly can do to encourage nursing, and you shouldn't feel bad at all if you get to the point where you just need to stop trying and work on moving forward from here. but only you can truly know know where that point is.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">what i do know is that you've done everything you possibly can do to encourage nursing, and you shouldn't feel bad at all if you get to the point where you just need to stop trying and work on moving forward from here. but only you can truly know know where that point is.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">at what point? just curious what all of your opinions are on this. I may be opening a can of worms with this, but I would like to know. And I know it's a very personal decision-- but WWYD if you were in my situation?</div>
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I agree with pixie. If it is majorly stressing oyu out, then that probably isn't helping the prospects anyway, you know? I think you are amazing for trying as long as you have, and who knows maybe if you totally back off all the way(not to say you are being pushy or doing it rong, by any means), maybe he'll come back to you on his own. And if he doesn't you have to know you've tried harder that most moms would have for sure!<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 
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