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My doctor just prescribed me this for joint health. I'm wondering if anybody knows if its safe to take while nursing? I know there is no mercury or anything in it, because its pharmeceutical grade, so its pretty pure that way.

I was reading that there is an increased risk of stroke associated with it. I'm also worried that my body will start dumping toxins into my breastmilk. Can this happen?

Has anyone heard of this stuff? Is it safe?
 

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I've never heard of that prescription. Is there a reason why you need to take a prescription form of Omega 3? I take the Blue Ice High-vitamin Cod Liver Oil ... took it during pregnancy and now while nursing. It's totally safe and iirc, also transfers some of the omega 3's to the baby. If you have to take that one, and it's simply an omega 3 supplement, I would think it'd be fine. Does it have any other ingredients? This is what I googled about it. Personally I'm leary about prescriptions in general, especially for something like omega 3's, which you can get from a non-pharma company. But that is just my non-professional opinion.
 

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Thanks for responding! No, there is no specific reason why I have to take a prescription version. He prescribed it to me to control inflammation in my joints, and I was telling him about how paranoid I am about mercury and he said this was a very pure/safe version. I did google it, and that's why I was worried. It doesn't have anything except fish oil in it. But now I am concerned that long term use will cause my blood to get too thin?

I was reading up more last night and it seems like its actually good for breastmilk. I'm still concerned about how safe it is to take Omega-3s on a long term basis, especially because of the blood thinning and also for liver toxicity. I suppose I'll have to call a naturopath. Anyway, here is an interesting arcticle. It says I should take Fish Oil, instead of Cod Liver because I live in a warm climate and cod liver is high in Vit D which I already get plenty of.

http://www.mercola.com/article/omega3.htm
 

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First of all, blood thinning must have other reasons b/c as humans were were meant to eat a 1:1 ratio of omega 3s and omega 6s. Now omega 6s in vegetable oils overrun our diets something like 20:1.

And meat and dairy that is fed grain contains more omega 6s... when they are supposed to contain a large amount of omega 3s (enough to rival fish) if they are fed their natural diet: grass!

I completely disagree with Mercola and his fish oil recs. He's used vit. D supplements before w/o vitamin A and that leads to toxicity. There is also evidence that taking fish oil stripped of its A and D is harmful.

The proper ratio of A to D is in high vit. cod liver oil like Blue Ice as MyLittleWonders posted.

Vitamin A is absolutely essential for pregnancy and you cannot get enough from vegetables like most people think.

More info here in monster thread "NT Mamas and all mamas: Cod Liver Oil in Pregnancy" http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=408632

Also research enzymes for joint inflammation, particularly high proteases taken between meals.
 

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And btw the sun not only makes vitamin D on the skin, but also breaks it down if you have enough. Native populations had a high vitamin A and vitamin D diet year round regardless of sun exposure.
 

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WOW, now that's a compliment!


I'm not even close to her league. She, above all other unbeliveably wonderful mamas here, has literally changed our family's life. I'm just here repaying a debt.


But thank you, I needed this today.

 

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First of all, blood thinning must have other reasons b/c as humans were were meant to eat a 1:1 ratio of omega 3s and omega 6s. Now omega 6s in vegetable oils overrun our diets something like 20:1.

And meat and dairy that is fed grain contains more omega 6s... when they are supposed to contain a large amount of omega 3s (enough to rival fish) if they are fed their natural diet: grass!

I actually knew this! Yay, free range chickens and eggs are a great way to get Omegas!

I completely disagree with Mercola and his fish oil recs. He's used vit. D supplements before w/o vitamin A and that leads to toxicity. There is also evidence that taking fish oil stripped of its A and D is harmful.

The proper ratio of A to D is in high vit. cod liver oil like Blue Ice as MyLittleWonders posted.

Vitamin A is absolutely essential for pregnancy and you cannot get enough from vegetables like most people think.

True, but is it still safe if you are taking a prenatal supplement?

More info here in monster thread "NT Mamas and all mamas: Cod Liver Oil in Pregnancy" http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=408632

Also research enzymes for joint inflammation, particularly high proteases taken between meals.
Ok, thanks for the rec. I will check that out! So, do you think my prescription is ok to take?
 

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Ooh, I think this is the coolest forum I've ever found:
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.p...hlite=fish+oil

I did a search on fish oil and came up with a TON of stuff....wow. Looks like my stuff is synthetic...bummer. But now I have a boatload of info and am thinking about switching over to CLO and maybe some other stuff.

This is really way more complicated than I thought it would be. I think I'm going to have to visit with a Naturopath to get it all sorted out. I'm still a bit worried about toxicity, even though you guys (mdc mamas) think it should be ok.

Anyways thanks for all the great info!!! That thread was great.
 

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Ok, thanks for the rec. I will check that out! So, do you think my prescription is ok to take?
No.

I personally think, based on my research, that high vitamin cod liver oil such as Blue Ice, Radiant Life, etc. is the only omega 3 supplement that should be taken.

Natural form is always better. There is a reason that the vit. A and D are there. Avoid anything that has been tampered with b/c it messes with how your body responds to it.

Cod Liver Oil: The Number One Superfood
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...dliveroil.html

Vitamin A Saga
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...aminasaga.html

The Miracle of Vitamin D
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...ndmiracle.html

Vitamin A, Vitamin D and Cod Liver Oil: Some Clarifications
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...fications.html

Cod Liver Oil: Notes on the Manufacture of Our Most Important Dietary Supplement
http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfo...nufacture.html

The Yin and Yang of Cod Liver Oil
http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfo...r_yinyang.html
 

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Ooh, I think this is the coolest forum I've ever found:
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.p...hlite=fish+oil
Very interesting! I'm going to poke around there some more. Esp. the discussion on omega 3 feed supplement of eggs.

So I'd like to add the best eggs are from pastured chickens that are integrated with dairy herds. They eat their native diet of bugs (you don't know from where) and so they manufacture omega 3s without needing unnatural flax or algae etc. in their diet.


Pastured chicken eggs have yolks that are a very dark orange. When I scramble mine, they are literally the color of orange juice and that's how you know they are high in omega 3s.
 

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RE: vitamin A and prenatals

Which one are you taking? I would guess that the form in your prenatals is the chemical form vitamin A palmitate not natural retinol? More discussion of this on that pg thread I posted.

Native diets contained on average 50,000 IU of natural vitamin A in form of retinol. The RDA of 5,000IU today (and the chemical form) is laughable and dangerous to rely on IMO.
 

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I actually don't take prenatals. I personally think vitamins are gross, but when I was pregnant I took a food based prenatal that I got from my naturopath, made me super sick, so I switched over to a bunch of chinese herbs, flax seed oil, chlorophyll and chelated minerals.

Ok, so seems like the cod liver is great, I get that, lol. But alot of what I'm reading says the fish oil is better for inflammation because it's a more concentrated version on omega-3s, whereas the cod liver is better for vitamins . I think it would actually be better to stay ON the fish oil, but with a good quality anti oxidant, because there is a danger of toxicity from peroxidation.

Aghhhhhhhhhhh!!!! BUT I am pretty scared of toxicity. So I think I'll switch to Cod. Thanks for all the info! This stuff is SO interesting. I'm still not convinced that either one is completely safe. Any time you ingest an oil you risk a level of toxicity from even the tiniest chance of rancidness. I think its important that everyone take an antioxidant with this stuff, or at least give your self a couple months off of it to let your body break it down.

From: The Yin and Yang of Cod Liver Oil

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I live in Tucson, Arizona and my clients often wonder whether the vitamin D in cod liver oil presents a safety issue for those living in the southwestern US where sunlight is abundant. I tell them it all depends on your exposure to sunlight. If you deliver mail or work outdoors on a ranch or sunbathe routinely, then you would need to be aware of your vitamin D blood levels before taking cod liver oil routinely.7 However, I think most of us spend literally all day indoors, and use sunblock when outdoors, so even in my sunny hometown, a little cod liver oil is safe. I recommend one to two teaspoons per day. Less in the summer if you are outdoors a lot; a little more in the winter. Those who live farther from the equator or who have darker skin may take more. This is very significant for people with dark skin. It has been found that African-Americans are much more likely to be vitamin D deficient.8
My family is one of those people that spend most days outdoors, and (obviously) we live in Hawaii so I think the vitamin D is an issue.

Thanks for the info on the eggs! I actually know alot of that stuff -- my dh was the manager of a food coop back in the day
 
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