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Is anyone else bothered by the whole, first grade, fourth grade etc.... thing?
I just don't like it. Just because you are X age, doesnt mean you should be doing X grade level work, know what I mean?
Does anyone else have feelings on this?
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I don't like it either.

We start homeschooling after Spring Break and I have been thking about this...among many other things!!

A child could be a "2nd grader" and have "5th grade" math skills and "7th grade" reading skills, and so forth.
To the mainstream world...and my mom
, my girls are in 1st and 3rd grades. To us, we just do what we do. I don't stress about it. Although, I suppose if I was in a more regulated HSing state, I could get pretty flustered about it.
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Absolutely.

Plus we run into the problem that grade level is determined by age on a particular date. If we were doing public school, dd1 wouldn't start K until next fall. But she shows signs of being ready for activities that are reserved for Kindergarteners such as some activities at the library. I figure I'll just "start Kindergarten" now in April instead of waiting until Sept.
Even though kids may be doing different grade level work for different subjects, it's easier for them to identify with a specific grade and easier for others to understand that they are being educated when they hear a "grade."
I think in high school it can be different but in lower grades I use it as a marker but I certainly don't worry about it or dwell on it.
People ask so we tell. I don't stress over it and neither do the kids. They don't know that they are supposed to be doing x, y and z because they are in a certain grade so there is no harm IMO in letting them have a grade level. It also keeps unwanted conversations short and to the point.
My sister is used to being in a grade (ps until recently) so she has one. For my dc, right now they are below school age but I still classify the oldest as "preschool age". I don't know, its just a habit and it doesn't really bother me at this point. And later... Well, most people who ask don't really care about the child or their abilities, they are just making small talk. So, to have a quick "I'm in such-and-such grade" ready won't bother me if it doesn't bother my kids.
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Originally Posted by cravenab00
Is anyone else bothered by the whole, first grade, fourth grade etc.... thing?
A LOT!

We would occasionally stop and think about what "grade" to use for a quick reponse to an offhand question by someone who would be otherwise perplexed, but that's different from actually taking those boxes seriously. A homeschooled child is not "in" a "grade," which is one of the wonderful things about homeschooling - labeling a child with a grade is limiting in a number of ways. For one thing, it implies that the child is living in some weird sort of subset of life - that he/she is less than a full participant. I know, I know
- that's a weird take on it. But it's nonetheless my take
. I mean if a child is in the 3rd grade of a school, what in the world does it mean for a child to be in 3rd grade of homeschool?! Third grade of what? Third grade of LIFE?! - Lillian
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I figure grade levels are just another management tool that schools use. I mean, they have to organize the kids somehow, right? And, based on that, grade levels have no place in our home--they're meaningless.

Sometimes, people will ask my kids what grade they're in and the kids will say, "We homeschool--we don't use grades." Other times, they'll respond with their ages instead. If the questioner is persistent, the kids will "do the math" and tell them, "Well, if I went to school, I'd be in X grade."

We were recently at a hsing event and a young child, (maybe 7 y/o) asked my oldest what grade he was in. My ds told him, "I don't know, we don't use grades." The boy was stunned and practically shouted, "How can you not know what grade you're in?"
Now, I don't know if this child was new to hsing, or if he was doing a straight school-at-home curriculum, but it was both funny and sad that he couldn't seem to get past that identifying marker, yk?
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Yes, it bothers me. I hate when people ask what grade my dd is in (people who know we homeschool). I always forget and then have to remember what age goes with what grade. I usually answer "well I guess if she went to school she would be in X grade".
Bugs me too.

My dd's are always asking me what grade they are in.
Probably b/c their friends next door and at church ARE in a grade.

If we are out and someone asks I just say what the grade level would be if they were in PS.

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A child could be a "2nd grader" and have "5th grade" math skills and "7th grade" reading skills, and so forth.
That's my oldest dd! Would be in 2nd grade. Does 3rd grade Math, 3rd grade English, 4th Grade Spelling and reads at a MUCH higher level!!!
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It doesn't really concern me since we homeschool. My kids are not penned into a certain grade by age thing. When people ask me what grade she is in I say my daughter would be in kindergarten if she was in public school. Most people don't actually care but instead are just making conversation, kind of like talking about the weather or asking how are you. When they ask her Miss A says she is in 4th grade. She decided to be a fourth grader on her 6th birthday last month. In fact she is almost done with 3rd grade math and is reading on a 5th grade level now (our state only cares about math and language arts and nothing else), so I don't bother correcting her. Her picking a grade is just as arbitrary as assigning a grade based on age.
I think it is silly too.Just like grades(ABC).

I like to joke with dd's ps friends and say,"Now you just have 8,9,or 10 more years till your get out of school, and then get to do what you really want!"
Yes, but it does stress me out a little. We're taking DD1 home next year to homeschool, and she'll be in "first" grade. Which means nothing to her, but to me it feels like a certain pressure to achieve pre-set standards. That's my own "meshugas" (craziness) I know but it's one of those mainstream mind-sets I am struggling to overcome.

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I'm new to homeschooling and my oldest will be of *kindergarten* age in the fall. The idea of grade levels was out of my head after being trained and working in a montessori environment. Their children are separated into age groups: 3-6, 6-9, and 9-12. primary, lower and upper elemetary. It's still putting kids into "groups" but not nearly as bad as 1st grade, 2nd, 3rd and so on.
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Yes, but it does stress me out a little. We're taking DD1 home next year to homeschool, and she'll be in "first" grade. Which means nothing to her, but to me it feels like a certain pressure to achieve pre-set standards. That's my own "meshugas" (craziness) I know but it's one of those mainstream mind-sets I am struggling to overcome.
Well, another way to begin looking at it is that since she's leaving school to be free out in the larger world, she won't be in any grade from now on. Then you wouldn't have the pre-set standards to achieve - you'd just be thinking in terms of helping her accumulate what she needs and/or wants to know by the time she grows up. That view opens up a whole world of time and possibilities. It's can feel bit unnerving to think that way at the very first - kind of like one of those dreams when you're first falling asleep where you suddenly feel as if you're falling. But then.......ooh
, it can be one of those small things that begins to change your whole perspective on life - because it's a breakaway from one of the most common constraints we've grown up with, and you get to taking a fresh look at all the others...
Lillian
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My kids have grade levels at church , so when asked we just use those grades.

When asked specifics , which does happen sometimes , we say "We homeschool and don't use grade levels."

When pushed that to be 'normal' they need grade levels I answer "grade levels are a way of managing large volumes of children in a small space. We don't have that problem. " or I say something snotty about what grade level they are in.
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Originally Posted by Lillian J

Well, another way to begin looking at it is that since she's leaving school to be free out in the larger world, she won't be in any grade from now on. Then you wouldn't have the pre-set standards to achieve - you'd just be thinking in terms of helping her accumulate what she needs and/or wants to know by the time she grows up. That view opens up a whole world of time and possibilities. It's can feel bit unnerving to think that way at the very first - kind of like one of those dreams when you're first falling asleep where you suddenly feel as if you're falling. But then.......ooh
, it can be one of those small things that begins to change your whole perspective on life - because it's a breakaway from one of the most common constraints we've grown up with, and you get to taking a fresh look at all the others...
Lillian
Lillian, this is why I
reading what you write. You bring it all home so lucidly. Such a simple idea. Not easy, surely, but simple.

Deeeep Breaths.

My daughter, by the way, is champing at the bit to "learn at home." Why? She wants to do workbooks.
. Her school doesn't have them.
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She reminds me of me. Ack.
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No it doesn't bother me. My kids just say "I'm X years old and we homeschool." I've never had anyone push us on the issue. When it is applied to materials etc I find it helpful as a way gauge whether it would be materials appropriate for my kids' abilities.
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It bothers me, too. Just another way the powers that be separate and categorize us to try to control us. When L (age 6) is asked what grade she's in, she says "I'm *homeschooled.* Grades are a tool of conformity." Child after my own heart!

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Originally Posted by Lillian J

Well, another way to begin looking at it is that since she's leaving school to be free out in the larger world, she won't be in any grade from now on. Then you wouldn't have the pre-set standards to achieve - you'd just be thinking in terms of helping her accumulate what she needs and/or wants to know by the time she grows up. That view opens up a whole world of time and possibilities. It's can feel bit unnerving to think that way at the very first - kind of like one of those dreams when you're first falling asleep where you suddenly feel as if you're falling. But then.......ooh
, it can be one of those small things that begins to change your whole perspective on life - because it's a breakaway from one of the most common constraints we've grown up with, and you get to taking a fresh look at all the others...
Lillian
That is a great way to describe it!
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