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Overnight Flight-20 mo. old in CARES or bucket?

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Next Sunday, I will be traveling to Norway alone with DS1, who is 20 months old. I am 7 months pregnant, and have just learned that the flight is almost completely full.

We have booked DS into his own seat. Usually, he travels in a CARES harness, and that works well for us. He is usually not able to get much sleep on flights, though. And yes, we have done overnight flights before. He just won't sleep while sitting in a regular plane seat.

I know this sounds crazy, but I am considering bringing DS2 (unborn)'s bucket seat for the flight. Yesterday, we bought a Chicco Keyfit 30 for the new baby, and to our amazement, 20 month old big bro almost fits. DS is fairly small for his age. He is 35 inches tall, and weighs 25 pounds. Of course, we would never drive with him in a bucket, but for flight purposes we wonder if it would work. His shoulders are about half an inch above the top shoulder slots (short torso), the top of his head goes about an inch above the shell, and his feet look to be about two inches longer than the seat....but when he bends them he's fine. The straps fit just fine, and he looks comfortable in the seat.

The downside--it may not be a perfect fit for him, and he'd have to be reclining for the whole flight. If he sleeps, that's great...if not it could be a major disadvantage. He'd have to be rearward facing, so he wouldn't get to see the inflight entertainment system, and unless we have an empty seat beside us (something I doubt since the flight is almost full) there would be no alternative to the bucket. (It can't go in the overhead bins, right?) I don't have much of a lap to sit in right now either. If the car seat would fit in an overhead bin or if we had an extra seat, I could use the CARES if necessary, and I wouldn't be so worried about taking up all the space with a car seat.

The upside--he might actually sleep, and that would be a wonderful relief to a tired, pregnant mama.

What would you do? CARES or bucket?
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Can you not bring a convertible carseat? I don't think I would put him in a bucket even just on the plane, he's too big for it. But a carseat would probably make him more comfortable and able to sleep.
I would put him in a car seat, but I'd get a scenera. It's probably lighter than the bucket, and you can turn him facing forward when he is awake to see the entertainment system and such.
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Can you not bring a convertible carseat? I don't think I would put him in a bucket even just on the plane, he's too big for it. But a carseat would probably make him more comfortable and able to sleep.

We have one convertible that we use in the States (Boulevard) and another in Norway (BeSafe.) Bringing the US one would just add unnecessary baggage, since we won't use it in Europe, and I really don't want to lug a huge convertible around the airport with me. Plus, we are only allowed one car seat and need to bring the bucket for the baby. (The baby will be born in Norway while we're there, and needs the seat.) That's why we got the CARES for DS1.

Buying another carseat just for the purpose of flying is not an option. (For one, we've already spent enough money on car seats, and second-I'm only allowed to check or carry one seat and I need to bring the seat for the unborn baby. So unfortunately, those are my only two options.)
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Issues of safety and comfort aside, I think that the flight crew might not allow it since your child is technically too big for the seat. I mean I know they don't weight and measure every kid to make sure they are within the specifications of their seat, but a 20 month old in a bucket seat would be a pretty obvious mismatch.
If you took the Keyfit, you'd still be lugging around extra baggage. I'd take a Scenera. I couldn't imagine a child trying to sleep in a CARES harness overnight.
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If you took the Keyfit, you'd still be lugging around extra baggage. I'd take a Scenera. I couldn't imagine a child trying to sleep in a CARES harness overnight.
The Keyfit won't be extra baggage, because that is the seat we will be using in Europe for DS2. We need it. I am only allowed to bring one carseat, as I currently only have one child flying (DS2 has not been born yet.) If we bought a Scenara just for the purposes of flying, we would also have to pay for extra baggage...something we really can't afford to do. Paying for the extra seat and the CARES has been enough of a stretch.

Most kids don't even have a CARES on flights, they sit in lap belts or on their parents laps, without seats of their own. No, he probably won't get much sleep, and neither will I. In an ideal world, I would be bringing a convertible carseat, but in our situation it does not make sense to do that.
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Issues of safety and comfort aside, I think that the flight crew might not allow it since your child is technically too big for the seat. I mean I know they don't weight and measure every kid to make sure they are within the specifications of their seat, but a 20 month old in a bucket seat would be a pretty obvious mismatch.
Would't they? Maybe you're right, but if the alternative is sitting with only a lap belt (they don't provide anything like a CARES) or unsecured on a parent's lap (as is the standard policy for kids under two) I would think a slightly outgrown bucket would be the better choice safety-wise.
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I would just do the cares. DD has slept in her cares harness before. I get a bunch of pillows and blankets and pile them up on both sides of her so she can lean on them when she sleeps. Do you have or can you get the bulkhead seat? Then you could make a little bed for him on the floor. He can always also lean over and sleep on your lap (without the cares harness, but with the seatbelt).
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Would't they? Maybe you're right, but if the alternative is sitting with only a lap belt (they don't provide anything like a CARES) or unsecured on a parent's lap (as is the standard policy for kids under two) I would think a slightly outgrown bucket would be the better choice safety-wise.
Whether it's safer or not wouldn't be the issue but the fact that is not being used as intended. Airlines require that the seat is to be used per the manufacturer's instructions. You might get by with it if you chose to give it a try, but don't be surprised if someone calls you on it.

Personally, I would just use the CARES and make it as cozy as possible.
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What airline will you be flying? Would you be permitted to use the BeSafe on the plane? I don't know anything about it, but I'd be inclined to take the convertible, skip the bucket completely, and put the newborn in the convertible after the baby is born. That may not be possible with a BeSafe, but I know the Scenera fits newborns very well. If it wasn't a matter of using it in a different country, I'd say take the Scenera and use it for the baby.
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Do you have or can you get the bulkhead seat? Then you could make a little bed for him on the floor.
I just wanted to point out, as a former Flight Attendant NEVER put a child on the floor. This is dangerous and you will probably be asked to put him back in the seat by the crew.

In turbulence, his head could hit against the floor.

Some airlines have bassinets which go on the floor but the babies have to be removed in turbulence and they are stowed for take-off and landing.

To the OP, I flew transatlantically (Europe to California) pregnant with a toddler and Scenera and it was fine. The CARES wasn't out yet so that wasn't an option.

What you really need is a good back carrier. I wouldn't use a baby backpack but something like an Ergo or Becco. You need to get yourselves through customs and immigration if he wont walk. A sling or wrap could work too. Try them at home first.

Just as an unrelated tip, if either of you are American citizens, be sure to bring your paperwork over with you. I have American and French citizenships as do my children, who were all born in France. The baby will need his or her U.S. passport to go to the States (even if s/he has another citizenship). The U.S. "presence" is important (usually high school and college transcripts). It was a pain ordering them from Europe. Easier to just bring them over on the flight.

Good luck with the trip and birth!
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I would use the CARES. I don't think you should use a bucket for a 20 m o, even if he still sort of fits. I agree that a FA could give you a hard time about not using the seat correctly.

We just flew internationally at night with DS (age 2y 8 mo). We had the CARES harness. He slept in our arms, but if they had announced turbulence we had it installed in his seat, ready to go. And he sat in it for take off and landing.
This is just my opinion but...

I'm seriously flight phobic so to me, forward or rear facing, I feel like it doesn't make a huge difference on a plane. Your opinion may differ.

If you have a kid in a car seat rear facing on a plane, the person in front of you can't recline their seat. Especially for a very long flight - this sucks. If you have a kid you doesn't really NEED to be rear facing... it's just extra mean, IMO.

We had to fly with our girls in buckets from CA to PA and I felt horrible that that meant 2 people couldn't recline their seats... but there's no way to make a bucket face forward and we didn't think flying with them as lap babies would have been a good idea.

Just my 2 cents... I wouldn't want to make someone else suffer for a plan that's kind of suboptimal anyway ...

Of course if you manage to get the bulkhead it won't matter... but I have never been able to get the bulkhead. Even flying with twin 4 month olds and a 4 year old boy... no sympathy for me. I wanted to fake a broken leg but DH vetoed that idea...
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So wait, you're going to use the Keyfit at your destination even though your DS doesn't fit into it?
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
So wait, you're going to use the Keyfit at your destination even though your DS doesn't fit into it?
No, the OP said she has a seat there for him and the bucket seat is for her baby that will be born there. (see below)

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We have one convertible that we use in the States (Boulevard) and another in Norway (BeSafe.) Bringing the US one would just add unnecessary baggage, since we won't use it in Europe, and I really don't want to lug a huge convertible around the airport with me. Plus, we are only allowed one car seat and need to bring the bucket for the baby. (The baby will be born in Norway while we're there, and needs the seat.) That's why we got the CARES for DS1.
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No, the OP said she has a seat there for him and the bucket seat is for her baby that will be born there. (see below)
Yeah, I read that, but then I read this:

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The Keyfit won't be extra baggage, because that is the seat we will be using in Europe for DS2.
and didn't catch the "for DS2" part.

OP, I'd try putting your DS1 in the bucket for the flight, if the other option is nothing. He'd definitely be much more comfortable, and safer.
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