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for new parents (not to care for sickness) passed in Washington State: 5 weeks, capped at $250 a week. Here is my cut and paste of NELP's fact sheet:<br><br>
Washington Family Leave Program Fact Sheet:<br><br>
Washington Poised to Become Second State in Nation<br>
with Paid Parental Leave<br><br>
Washington’s legislature approved paid family leave for new parents on the last day of its 2007 session. Governor Chris Gregoire has 20 days to sign the bill into law.<br><br>
As it passed the legislature, Washington’s family leave program includes the following:<br><br>
•Who’s Eligible - All parents of newborn or newly adopted children who have worked at least 680 hours in the previous year (same requirement as Unemployment Insurance).<br>
•Benefits - $250 per week for up to 5 weeks, after a 1 week waiting period, prorated for people working less than 35 hours per week.<br>
•Job Protection - For workers in companies with more than 25 employees, who have been with that employer at least a year and worked at least 1,250 hours in the previous year.<br>
•Start Date - Benefit payments begin October 1, 2009.<br>
•Funding - To be determined by a 13-person taskforce, including 8 legislators, representatives of large business, small business, labor, and family leave, and a governor appointee. Report is due to the legislature by January 1, 2008.<br>
•Elective Coverage - Self-employed people and those otherwise not covered may elect coverage, initially for a minimum of 3 years.<br>
•Coordination of Benefits - Employees may use employer-provided paid leave during the 1 week waiting period. For those also covered by the Family and Medical Leave Act (workers in companies with 50 or more employees), leave runs concurrently. Employer policies and collective bargaining agreements may require that family leave run concurrently or otherwise be coordinated with other employer leave policies with written notice to employees, but may not diminish the right to paid family leave.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">for new parents (not to care for sickness) passed in Washington State: 5 weeks, capped at $250 a week. Here is my cut and paste of NELP's fact sheet:<br></div>
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Honestly, I don't get how this is a good thing. DH works in Washington so this does effect us a bit.<br><br>
$250 a week would only be $1000 a month. Hell that wouldn't even make the house payment let alone buy groceries and pay the utilities.<br><br>
How is this supposed to help families? As usual it will only help the extremely poor. And while I don't deny that they need help as well, those of us that make too much for help but are still barely getting by are always left in a lurch.<br><br>
Oh yea and since it is capped at $250 that would mean it is the maximum you can get. Meaning you can get less. What is the minimum?<br><br>
BTW what is the first state? Is it California? Because their paid leave sucked so bad DH took PTO for DD3 as well.<br><br>
ETA: If this is for the mom's I can see how something is better than nothing. Mom does need to take time off. But if this is Paternal leave... well in this case something isn't better than nothing if the family still wants to eat and pay their bills. I know MY dh would go to work and NOT stay home to bond with baby rather than have us lose the house and not feed the kids.<br><br>
He has always saved his PTO time, taken a week off, then gone back to work. Because lets face it, you have 9 months time in which to save your PTO/Vacation time.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That's the minimum.<br><br>
This is good because it's so much better than it used to be. Not enough, though.</div>
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OP said it was capped at $250.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">OP said it was capped at $250.</div>
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You know what, I misspoke.<br><br>
I believe the way it works is that the maximum they are required to pay you is $250 a week. If you make $300 a week they are required to pay you $250 a week but can pay you more. If you make $200 a week, then they pay you $200 a week and can't pay you less. Or something--it's probably much more complicated than that (these things always seem to be).<br><br>
I wonder how my employer's policy will change. They have had a four week fully-paid (which is always more than $250 a week in my company) policy. It will be interesting to see what comes through the pipe here.
 

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It is definitely better than nothing, but I find it sad that the US is sooooo behind other rich nations when it comes to supporting new parents
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It is definitely better than nothing, but I find it sad that the US is sooooo behind other rich nations when it comes to supporting new parents</div>
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I don't see how it is better than nothing if it will leave you homeless should you take it.<br><br>
SP. So if I understand what you are saying, they only HAVE to pay you $250. So say before this your company paid nothing. You make say $800 -$1200 a week. Your house payment and other bills depend on your bringing home this much. If you take this you will be brining home only 1/4 of your regular income. You wont be able to pay your bills, so you take no time off and go to work to support your family. I am still not getting how it is better than nothing.<br><br>
It is only better than nothing if you are going to stay home anyway.
 

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In my state (NY), it is capped at $185/week. So yes, I still think it merits a thumbs up. And yes, CA is the only other state with paid parental leave that I know of (if I'm wrong, please correct me). Paid parental leave is close to passing in NJ, though.<br><br>
ETA: What NY has is paid short-term disability, which is presumptively 6 weeks for a vaginal birth and 8 weeks for a section. Note that it excludes adoptive parents and dads.<br><br>
ETA: While I TOTALLY AGREE that it is PATHETIC that the US is so behind other countries (Canada, European countries) in this area (it is a great passion of mine), I still think that this is progress because I believe social change is incremental and that half a loaf is better than none. As <b>AniT</b> said, for us $250/week would not suffice. We started automatically depositing into a "baby fund" months (almost a year) before we started TTC'ing. But every little bit helps. Also, with regard to <b>AniT</b>'s point, there is discussion on the NELP website of how something like 80+% of FMLA-eligible employees cannot afford to take their unpaid 12 weeks.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't see how it is better than nothing if it will leave you homeless should you take it.<br><br>
SP. So if I understand what you are saying, they only HAVE to pay you $250. So say before this your company paid nothing. You make say $800 -$1200 a week. Your house payment and other bills depend on your bringing home this much. If you take this you will be brining home only 1/4 of your regular income. You wont be able to pay your bills, so you take no time off and go to work to support your family. I am still not getting how it is better than nothing.<br><br>
It is only better than nothing if you are going to stay home anyway.</div>
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I am sorry <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><br>
Frankly, I did not read about the details very carefully. But considering you guys have almost nothing, that's why I said it is better than nothing<br><br>
Just so you see where I am coming from: when I had my babies in Denmark, women had the last month of pregnancy + 6 months fully paid maternity leave. Then after that, 6 more months 60% (I believe).<br>
Oh, and the dad gets 2 weeks full pay after birth, and then can share the 6/12mo with the mom as they see fit. And parents get the first sick day for the child off as well (one day each parent, for each sickness, or each child!)<br><br>
I know that there will be some who say: "At least we don't pay so much tax here in the states". Well, I lived in the states for 5 years, and what I can say is that the money I spent on all kinds of services which would be free back at home was higher than the tax I used to pay.<br><br>
Sorry for the long reply... I just get so sad thinking about all the crap my friends in the states had to go through, and in such a rich nation! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In my state (NY), it is capped at $185/week. So yes, I still think it merits a thumbs up. And yes, CA is the only other state with paid parental leave that I know of (if I'm wrong, please correct me). Paid parental leave is close to passing in NJ, though.<br><br>
ETA: What NY has is paid short-term disability, which is presumptively 6 weeks for a vaginal birth and 8 weeks for a section. Note that it excludes adoptive parents and dads.<br><br>
ETA: While I TOTALLY AGREE that it is PATHETIC that the US is so behind other countries (Canada, European countries) in this area (it is a great passion of mine), I still think that this is progress because I believe social change is incremental and that half a loaf is better than none. As <b>AniT</b> said, for us $250/week would not suffice. We started automatically depositing into a "baby fund" months (almost a year) before we started TTC'ing. But every little bit helps. Also, with regard to <b>AniT</b>'s point, there is discussion on the NELP website of how something like 80+% of FMLA-eligible employees cannot afford to take their unpaid 12 weeks.</div>
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California paid paternal leave started in Jan of '04. DD was born in Jan of '04. This leave draws off the disability fund. So you are still only getting a very small portion of your income. DH did not take it.<br><br>
When DS was born this past Nov. DH worked in WA. which offered nothing. (if it offered anything we were not aware of it.) DH took PTO a weeks wroth of PTO.<br><br>
Honestly, I would rather see something done with health care before paid family leave. We don't have health insurance either. Can't afford the premiums. Fixing little bits of this and that don't really help. They/We need to focus on ONE thing and FIX it. Then move on to the next.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sorry for the long reply... I just get so sad thinking about all the crap my friends in the states had to go through, and in such a rich nation! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:</div>
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That is because the rich don't share.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That is because the rich don't share.</div>
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Nope. It is because goverment does not care.<br><br>
So is it in the end that voters do not care? They don't elect politicians who would care?(or are there even any candidates who would care?)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Nope. It is because goverment does not care.<br><br>
So is it in the end that voters do not care? They don't elect politicians who would care?(or are there even any candidates who would care?)</div>
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This administration was not elected by the people.<br><br>
Our governor is spending the week living off of a $21 budget as that is how much people on food stamps get. Not all politicians don't care.
 

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Okay, maybe I don't get it, and if I'm missing something, please fill me in. Where I live, there is no paid maternity or paternity leave. Both my dh and I work full time. When I had dd, I took 8 weeks off. I am still paying off the debt I got into from those 8 weeks. Yes, $250 is less than what I make a week, but it would have helped so much, and I might have been able to take longer off if I had have that $250. I know it's not a ton, but it's groceries and gas for my family. I think it's a great step in the right direction. I understand it's far from perfect and far from enough, but still, it's more than I had.<br>
Obviously, it's different if only one parent was working, but for dual income families, it's a different situation. My dh had to go to work the day after dd was born, we couldn't afford for him to take off any additional days (not that his job would have let him). This would have let him take at least a few days off if I had been able to receive the paid leave.<br><br>
Again, if I'm missing something, please tell me. I just don't see why something is worse than nothing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Again, if I'm missing something, please tell me. I just don't see why something is worse than nothing.</div>
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As I said, for mothers it is better than nothing as they need to take some time off to recover anyway. However, I thought mother's were able to get disability for 6 week, 12 weeks for a c-section. It has been this way in California since at least the 80's.<br><br>
So when I think of these family leave acts I see them as leave time for dad. If mom and dad are BOTH off work how are you going to survive on $250 a week? It's like a joke. Hey look here! You can take time off work to bond with your new baby. Never mind that dad can't afford time take the time off or his family will end up on the streets. It just seems like a ploy to make you THINK they are doing something for you.
 

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Oh, okay. As far as I know, in Michigan, that's not the case. I don't think giving birth qualifies you for disability leave, and if it does, my employer lied to me! (Shame on me for not doing enough research too, if that is the case!)<br>
Although, if both parents work, and take off, wouldn't that mean $500 a week? Not perfect, but closer to being better? Jusst curious if I'm not understanding still.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh, okay. As far as I know, in Michigan, that's not the case. I don't think giving birth qualifies you for disability leave, and if it does, my employer lied to me! (Shame on me for not doing enough research too, if that is the case!)<br>
Although, if both parents work, and take off, wouldn't that mean $500 a week? Not perfect, but closer to being better? Jusst curious if I'm not understanding still.</div>
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That still wouldn't leave us enough money to pay our bills. There is no way both could take off. As I said, better to use vacation time at full pay.
 

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In California you get 6 weeks of paid disability when you have a baby and then you can take 6 weeks of paid family leave, and then there is an extended family leave that you can get as well. They determine how much to pay you based on 4 months from the previous year in which you worked. Then you're paid a 2/3 of that amount. I received a 450.00 a week.<br><br>
It actually helped us a lot but it's true that it would be of little help for my husband to use it as he is the main income earner and we wouldn't be able to pay bills and our mortgage with the amount that they would pay him.<br><br>
There is a 7 day waiting period and it actually took me three weeks to get my first check and then in December they had back ups and I only received one full check in 6 weeks.<br><br>
It's nice that it's there but it's still hard to get by if you need a second income. Unfortunately in California the cost of living is so high that it's hard to get by unless both are working.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">BTW what is the first state? Is it California? Because their paid leave sucked so bad DH took PTO for DD3 as well..</div>
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Yes CA. We took it and had no problems. The money is paid out of SDI - State Disability Insurance. They cap out at I think 860 or 880 a week, which we got. You can take it in increments and at any time within one year of a new childs birth (or adoption or fostering IIRC). We had to save and use credit cards during the 6 weeks because you dont get the check until the end. DH has since told everyone at his work about it and most people had never heard of it. His manager thought it was crazy but he just had a baby and guess who took 6 weeks off?<br><br>
$250 is REALLY low. Yes the CA cost of living is REALLY high, but I cant imagine this is fair to the people in WA. I guess it could be viewed as a step in the right direction... but we got a check for over $4000 and they would only be getting $1500 for the same six weeks.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh, okay. As far as I know, in Michigan, that's not the case. I don't think giving birth qualifies you for disability leave, and if it does, my employer lied to me! (Shame on me for not doing enough research too, if that is the case!)<br>
Although, if both parents work, and take off, wouldn't that mean $500 a week? Not perfect, but closer to being better? Jusst curious if I'm not understanding still.</div>
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In TN, birth was only covered if you opt for the extra disability coverage (can't remember the name of it now). For me personally, that extra insurance would have cost me more than I would have gotten back.<br><br>
In our case, $500/ week where we could both have stayed home for a few weeks would have rocked. We were barely making that when our ds was born. So for us, that would have been a HUGE help.
 
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