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Hey all,

Anyone else getting (or have gotten in a previous pregnancy) pain in your pelvis? It feels like the joints are loosening (which I'm glad about!) but that also makes the front parts of the pelvis rub together and is very painful! Running sets it off for me. I ran this morning for 10 min for the first time in months (morning sickness and running don't go well together for me) and it will definitely be my last run until spring, my pelvis has been hurting the rest of the day. :(

Not really looking for advice, I had this the last time around and I just had to stop doing whatever made it hurt. (please don't suggest chiro... I'm a biology professor and am pretty picky about the scientific data that backs up whatever treatments I do, which is why I choose natural childbirth! :)

Just complaining, I guess, and seeing if anyone else is in the same boat or knows what I'm talking about! No one I've met in real life has ever experienced this.
 

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I don't think this is the same thing as you, but I went hiking (lots of uphill and downhill) about 3 weeks ago and the next day was HORRIBLE for me. I thought I might miscarry, actually. But it was more like a sore uterus. Obviously, it was more muscular then anything else, but it really hurt.

I remember from my last pregnancy having all kinds of pelvic issues with my joints when I walked. Not looking forward to that again....I can't imagine how running would make me feel. And btw, I've been getting chiropractic care for over 10 years and I would not let my chiro anywhere NEAR my pelvic region for an adjustment during pregnancy. I don't think he'd do it if I begged him. :)
 

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Yeah, I have always had some pelvic discomfort during pregnancy. However, I was involved in a severe car accident when about 8 weeks with my first, and needed physical therapy all through that pregnancy to make some attempt to get my pelvis back to where it belongs. (and it's darn hard to do PT during pregnancy, because the relaxin keeps your joints all slippery, which it's supposed to, but that's about the opposite of what you want when you're trying to shove major joints back into place.) I have always assumed that it's just residual pain from that experience - my current chiro has said that she can tell that I'm still not quite back the way I ought to be, though I'm getting closer and closer. (And, though unrelated, it's interesting to note that the subsequent pelvic misalignment led to malpositioning of the baby during labor and delivery - he was posterior and was born with his head cocked to one side - and he STILL has misalignment in his upper neck from that.)

I'm surprised your chiro won't do pelvic adjustments in PG. I mean, I don't get the same type of adjustments in that area that I do when not PG, but pelvic alignment is so important during PG. Webster technique is a pelvic adjustment, for example, generally used to help breech babies.
 

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My chiropractor come from a physical therapy background, so maybe that's why? I had a realllly bad experience with my previous chiropractor ( my neck is messed up for life because of him), so believe in chiropractic, just am very weary. I trust my current one and he won't touch my pelvic region during pregnancy, so I'm okay with that. My problems have never really been in my pelvic region anyway. Because of the last one, I have a chronic problem with my C2 (in my neck).
 

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I think I know what you're talking about, though I'm not sure what you mean by the front parts of the pelvis. I had various sorts of nasty pains that I would in general describe as pelvic pain with my last pregnancy. It kind of got worse after my dd was born so I've spent a lot of time over the last couple of years working on/thinking about my back/hips/general pelvis. I think it's reasonable to be concerned about pelvic pain or discomfort because of the close relationship that exists between pain, activity, habit and fetal position.

My dd was born posterior and I'm determined to avoid this situation this go-around if I can. I was reading on Spinningbabies last night and, while you might find the site annoying as a biology professional, I think there is some really important information you can pull from it. I bring this up because I've begun to wonder how much my "back problems" contributed to her position (which probably didn't help my back). One of the points that the site makes is that achieving balance in the body is important as it enables the baby to find the correct position. She suggests that most babies find their general final position by the end of the 2nd trimester and that starting to think about fetal positioning as early as 10 weeks isn't too soon.

All this is to say that in my experience, pelvic pain is so difficult to pinpoint because of the complexity of both the bone and muscular structure. I know for me psoas is a huge player in how I feel overall (it could also be part of the "front part" pain you mention). Consequently, I've started to think that while avoiding pain-causing activities is always a good idea, it's worth it to dig a little deeper with the hopes of relieving pain and preventing it. I'm working on keeping my psoas as open as possible, also for me piriformis and ITB plus keeping s/i joint in alignment seems to help. I'm planning on swimming more this pregnancy, doing more pilates/gyrotonic, doing 3 minutes of cat/cow daily and seeing my massage therapist regularly. Spinningbabies has a list of 4 or 5 things you can do for optimal fetal positioning during pregnancy that will also help back/pelvic pain. Another really interesting person to check out is Liz Koch. She's a psoas specialist and has done a lot of work with pregnancy and psoas over her 30+ years in the field. I'm also thinking about getting a "Sacrowedgy". My PT introduced me to it this past fall and if I get the go ahead to use it during pregnancy, I'm hoping that it can help with pain relief/management/avoidance.
 

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I just saw that you're against chiro. (I can understand being against chiro for, say, heartburn, but I don't understand being against chiro for pain in joints - I mean, when i have a rib rotated out of place, it makes it very hard to breathe, and a visit to the chiro takes just minutes and lets me breathe again.)

But would you consider seeing a DO? Most DOs (who are just as much of a doctor as an MD) can/will make some gentle adjustments to help stop pain.
 

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I just saw that you're against chiro. (I can understand being against chiro for, say, heartburn, but I don't understand being against chiro for pain in joints - I mean, when i have a rib rotated out of place, it makes it very hard to breathe, and a visit to the chiro takes just minutes and lets me breathe again.)

But would you consider seeing a DO? Most DOs (who are just as much of a doctor as an MD) can/will make some gentle adjustments to help stop pain.
I'm not really pro-chiropractic because the biology of what many of them (some are really much more like physical therapists, which I don't really have a problem with) say they are trying to do doesn't really seem to exist (subluxations: see wikipedia for a generic description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_subluxation ) But more importantly, there's no research studies that show that people who do chiropractic for various complaints have better outcomes than people who have the same problem and don't see a chiropractor. (except for lower back pain, which might be sort of helped by chiro) There are also studies that have taken the same x-ray to 5 different chiropractors who have diagnosed 5 different problems (and this was of a person experiencing no problems.)

I realize many, many people say that chiropractic care helps them feel better. And I can't prove that it doesn't for those people. Maybe it does, however there is such a thing as a placebo effect which could also (at times) be involved. Also, last pregnancy I was having pain in my lower back and (before I really knew much about chiro) I was determined to call and go on Thursday for an appointment, as that was my light day at work. Well, I ended up not making that call. And Friday my pain was completely and utterly gone! So did NOT going to a chiropractor cure me? Or was my body healing itself and if I had gone to the chiro on Thursday would I have thought that was what made me feel better?

Anyway, you see my dilemma! I really believe in evidence-based health care, which is why I'm pro-natural childbirth (because the evidence shows it is better for moms and babies, generally), pro-breastfeeding, pro-midwives (as good or better outcomes than OBs!), and pro-home birth (for those who want it - again, because the evidence shows the outcomes are just as good and fewer interventions! If only it weren't illegal in my state.) I think DOs are fine doctors (they generally practice evidence-based medicine) and I see a midwife for my pregnancies. But despite believing the 'natural' way to go is better in many instances, I have not been convinced that chiropractic care (while it is more 'natural' than convential medicine, perhaps) has been shown, with evidence, to really work. And it's not without risks, as some others have mentioned. (Plenty of 'natural' stuff can kill you, after all, natural doesn't equal safe!)

This isn't to dis anyone who chooses chiro... though I would definitely do some research on your own before you decide. And remember, if you feel better afterwards, it doesn't necessarily mean it's working - because we lack the all-important 'control' group! (you need to clone yourself and have your clone have the same exact symptoms and then NOT do chiro... ha! yeah, not possible, obviously.) I wish the chiro colleges would do some of these important research studies, but so far they haven't really seemed to have any interest in showing that these methods really work, by the scientific method, which is a shame.

And finally, even if I believed chiro worked, I think the relaxin of pregnancy that is giving me this problem to begin with would probably make any 'adjustments' very temporary and not likely to make a big difference, so, sigh. I guess I'll just deal with it! I do like swimming and need to get that started, as someone else suggested.
 

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I know that you said you were aginst ciropractors so I dont mean to push I just wanted to share my experience.

When I was pregnant the first time I had some minor pelvic pain at first. one day out of the blue at work all the muscles in my leg started to spasm everytime I moved it.

It was so bad I couldn't walk and had to be wheeled out in an office chair to my Mom picking me up. after a few days of no real relief with massage and rest I ended up going to a ciro.

He said my one leg was a good inch and a half shorter than the other and my pelvis was stuck up on one side. after some time of this the muscles started to freak out.

I am very much against chiro in general the ones who get people to come for yera long treatment plans and such disgust me. This one was different.

He did a minor adjust ment and gave me an excersise to help keep things moving. He said only to come back if it was bugging me again. I saw him maybe 2 times each pregnancy when i'm in pain.

I once saw one when my guy was away out of desperation and he made it worse rather than better and wanted to see me a few times that week. I ran in the other direction!

They cant all be painted with the same brush.
 

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I am very much against chiro in general the ones who get people to come for yera long treatment plans and such disgust me. This one was different.

He did a minor adjust ment and gave me an excersise to help keep things moving. He said only to come back if it was bugging me again. I saw him maybe 2 times each pregnancy when i'm in pain.
This is exactly how my current chiropractor is! I love him for it!! My last, HORRIBLE chiropractor had me coming in THREE times a week for over 5 years! I think I put his two children through college! He told me that my pelvic bone is so messed up that if I ever wanted to have children, he would have to see me five times/ week to make sure I was okay. Fortunately, I stopped seeing him before I had my first child. With my current chiropractor, he was completely confident in how well my body could handle anything and I think that attitude is what has healed me the most. I carried my son just fine and I now go to see him once every 3 months or so for a neck adjustment. When you have someone who you trust telling you that your body is inadequate over and over, you really start to believe it and your body falls in line. I feel the same about most doctors who immediately see what can "go wrong" rather than what is already right. So yes...there are a lot of great chiropractors out there that will gently help your body get back in line and then there are those who intentionally adjust you so that you become dependent on them.
 

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I once saw one when my guy was away out of desperation and he made it worse rather than better and wanted to see me a few times that week. I ran in the other direction!

They cant all be painted with the same brush.
I agree that this is exactly the problem with chiros! There isn't consistency between them!! It doesn't really surprise me too much that it's always the weakest students in my classes that end up going on to chiropractic school... :)

I think the best ones act mostly like physical therapists, as someone said.

Anyway, this wasn't meant to turn into a chiropractic discussion thread!

My pain has gotten a lot better the last few days since I haven't tried running again. I suspect it will be better this pregnancy since I know not to do what my joints just can't handle with all the relaxin they're getting right now!
 

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You don't need to clone yourself to make a control group, and I'm a little surprised to see you say that as a biology professor. And, yeah, you do sound like you're pretty much dissing people who seek chiro care.

Myself personally, between the car accident a few years ago and scoliosis, both of which are - using evidence like Xrays - getting better under chiro care after making no improvement without it, I think chiro makes sense. When I have a rib out of place, verified by a doctor, and a chiro or DO can push it back and make me breathe again, and a doctor can verify that it's back where it belongs... I don't need a control group.
 
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