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How that's for a combo topic title? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
I have Kaiser insurance, and I think I will be using Sunnyside for my VBAC. I would love to hear about your experiences there. I am thinking about stopping by there today for a tour, if they allow drop in visits like that. I feel that it depends a lot on who's on duty when you are there, so I'd like to know the overal atmosphere.<br><br>
VBAC friendly? Encourage walking? Minimal or intermittent monitoring? Pushy about IVs or hep lock? Directed pushing? etc.<br><br>
And for after birth, how are they about stuff like no hep B shot, or delaying the eye drops? Would they freak out if I wanted to take home the placenta?<br><br>
Another question -- does anyone know if Kaiser covers doulas or birth centers? I'm thinking no, but thought I'd ask. On that topic, anyone know of a good VBAC doula that's in the Woodburn to Sunnyside area? I plan to check out the ICAN list soon.<br><br>
This is my last pg, and I'm still working through issues surrounding ds's birth 4.5 years ago. I want to find an environment where I won't have to fight everyone left and right to get what I want. I know what I want, and while I know I don't have any control over how my body will work, I do want to set up the best environment possible to increase the odds.<br><br>
Thanks so much for your input!<br><br>
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Hi Karen,<br>
I am going to link your post to the big PDX thread as a lot of the women don't always check the main area. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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PM this mama.<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/member.php?u=83035" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions/member.php?u=83035</a><br><br>
(I hope the link works) I know she is a dula and lives in Eagle Creek which isn't too far from Clackamas. She doesn't post much as she is busy studying to be a midwife, but I know for a fact she is still alive as I just saw her Tues. at our kids school. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Anyway.. if she can't answer your questions, she should be able to point you in the right direction!
 

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Oh wow, I never noticed she had her website on her contact info.<br><br><a href="http://www.inner-serenity.org/" target="_blank">http://www.inner-serenity.org/</a><br><br>
More contact info there!
 

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I can't speak to the VBAC issue, but I had both my kids at Sunnyside.<br><br>
If I had to do one thing over about it, I'd have had a doula.<br><br>
The nurses and midwives were nice (except one, Bucky Beatty), but they couldn't be there all the time and not everything went as expected (duh), so I (and dh) have been a lot better off with a doula.<br><br>
Kaiser does not cover doulas or birth centers. You birth in their facility.<br><br>
Sunnyside is pretty ok. They have a birthing tub and both times they totally respected and followed my birth plan. During my first birth they were all "push-push-push-PUSH!" so on my second birth plan I specifically requested that they not do that. They didn't.<br><br>
They're pretty into the hep lock, but again, my second time there I had on the plan that I didn't want it, and they didn't push it. They are fine with intermittent monitoring and encouraged me to walk around, get in the shower, use the tub or shower.<br><br>
After birth they were also fine about the no Hep B or eye drops. A couple of nurses were sceptical about not doing eye drops, especially since ds's eyes were kind of goopy. But they didn't push it. And the pediatrician who came around later advised me to just give them a squirt of breastmilk).<br><br>
All that said, it is still a hospital, they still have a medical model, and you are still on your own a lot. If I were doing it again, I'd do whatever it took to bring a doula with me.<br><br>
Hope this helps!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh wow, I never noticed she had her website on her contact info.</div>
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Thanks, I will check that out!<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hi Karen,<br>
I am going to link your post to the big PDX thread as a lot of the women don't always check the main area. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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Thanks Allison!<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I can't speak to the VBAC issue, but I had both my kids at Sunnyside.<br><br>
Hope this helps!</div>
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zinemama, thanks! Firsthand experience is very helpful.<br><br><br>
I'm going to call the Education hotline (or something! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> ) tomorrow and see about scheduling a tour.
 

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DH's cousin just did a vbac about a month ago there <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
call and do the walk through for sure! They did vac so no sure how they are about no vac but it sounds like zinemama answered that.
 

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I was at my friend's birth there 3 years ago and it was good then. Her midwife was awesome. Since my friend (Quella on here-feel free to pm her, she doesn't post much) had a big birth team, the midwife even locked the door a couple of times to keep nurses out. They weighed and measured the baby, but when I left a few hours after the birth, she was still on the breast with mom and no one was raising a fuss.<br>
Oh, and at one point, when her labor stalled out, the mw said ( behind said locked door) "I heard something about cohosh on sale at Fred Meyer. It sounded like a good deal." In other words, she was telling us we could use herbs and where to get them, but was protecting herself at the same time. She was really awesome. I just wish I could remember her name.<br>
One down side to Kaiser is that you take the midwife or ob on call. I don't think it is policy for your own mw to deliver if it is her day off.
 

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I birthed ds2 at Sunnyside and it was fine. He came so fast that there wasn't any time to even suggest interventions, as I literally arrived at the hospital already pushing!<br><br>
As a pp already mentioned, with Kaiser you get whichever midwife is on call, but I chose Sunnyside over St. V's because at least at Sunnyside they always *have* a midwife available, as opposed to St. V's where it's nearly always an OBGYN, I think they only have a midwife on call 3 nights/week or something like that. Sunnyside felt smaller and friendlier when I was there, but I know they've recently opened a larger delivery wing so that might not be the case anymore.<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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Thanks again for your input! I called about the tours, and they didn't want to schedule it until 7-8 months. I said I wanted it sooner as I was trying to decide *where* to go. So she compromised and scheduled it for January.<br><br>
And I'm meeting a potential doula on Saturday (thanks again Tina!)<br><br>
Oh, and I got my HypnoBabies CDs in the mail yesterday. I feel like things are starting to come together. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I had my first daughter at Sunnyside. She was born fast too. It was 4.75 yrs ago now. We declined the hepB and delayed the eye goop with no problems. With DD #2 we declined the eye junk too. I had two midwives because even though I was only there for 3 hours of laboring, it was during the shift change. I liked my first midwife much better than the second (the 2nd was Bucky...funny coincidence.) I felt like there wasn't even a midwife there until I begged for some suggestions for changing positions.<br><br>
One nurse was barking at me to push, but Bucky didn't say anything at all. I didn't realize how much I would hate that "push push push!!!" so I put that in the birth plan for baby #2! Another nurse said, "remember why you're doing this!" I think she thought that was encouraging, but it made me want to punch her in the face and <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss">.<br><br>
I did have a hep lock, not the IV, but I actually needed it near the end. Only had intermittent monitoring until things got hairy right before delivery. My birth plan wasn't even written out because my baby was almost 5 weeks early so I wasn't prepared. We told them basically, don't offer me pain meds, try to avoid an episiotomy, no hep B shot. I ended up with an episiotomy, but it was justified. My babe's heart rate went way down and didn't come back up. She didn't breathe well when she was born. She was in the NICU for a week, soon after birth. That was actually the worst part...that she had to go while I was stuck there being stitched up. I went to her as soon as last stitch was in. They were great and let us stay in a free room for the whole time so I never had to leave, but it was still hell because we couldn't keep her in the room with us because of all the medical help she needed. They were extremely supportive of breastfeeding even when my milk took 5 days to come in and she had serious jaundice. She got a couple supplements of formula, but always through an SNS, never even suggested a bottle, and she got every drop of colostrum I pumped.<br><br>
Oh, we had them save the placenta, but then we totally forgot about it after a week of being in the hospital. oops. We were going to plant a tree with it.<br><br>
I thought the hospital itself looked pretty old and ugly, but after actually having a baby I don't think that mattered at all. Lots of my friends loved Good Sam because the rooms are like a fancy hotel suite, but I'd rather have been out in a field under a tree anyway, so to me, it was the people with me that mattered.<br><br>
I had my second at St. V's with zero interventions and the best midwife ever. But that was with different insurance. I remember that Kaiser only had MW's at St. V's on certain days of the week...and thinking that doesn't make any sense whatsoever!<br><br>
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OH...when I was there they did have one male midwife at sunnyside and the idea of that honestly freaked me out. I don't know how you feel about it, and I've heard he is fabulous, but I just prefer female doctors for all things vagina related. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I birthed ds2 at Sunnyside and it was fine. He came so fast that there wasn't any time to even suggest interventions, as I literally arrived at the hospital already pushing!<br><br>
As a pp already mentioned, with Kaiser you get whichever midwife is on call, but I chose Sunnyside over St. V's because at least at Sunnyside they always *have* a midwife available, as opposed to St. V's where it's nearly always an OBGYN, I think they only have a midwife on call 3 nights/week or something like that. Sunnyside felt smaller and friendlier when I was there, but I know they've recently opened a larger delivery wing so that might not be the case anymore.<br><br>
Good luck!</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks again for your input! I called about the tours, and they didn't want to schedule it until 7-8 months. I said I wanted it sooner as I was trying to decide *where* to go. So she compromised and scheduled it for January.<br><br>
And I'm meeting a potential doula on Saturday (thanks again Tina!)<br><br>
Oh, and I got my HypnoBabies CDs in the mail yesterday. I feel like things are starting to come together. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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I believe Tia also works with hypnobirthing.<br><br>
I used the CD's with DS. Really I didn't even get to the 2nd one because well with three other kids in the house i never had time to listen. But I did get enough of the first CD to be VERY helpful. It helped me to just let the contraction come and not fight them. DS was born in 2.5 hours 10 minutes before the midwives showed up. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Good luck.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">One nurse was barking at me to push, but Bucky didn't say anything at all.<br><br>
OH...when I was there they did have one male midwife at sunnyside and the idea of that honestly freaked me out.</div>
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So there actually is a MW there named Bucky? I was thinking that was a nickname a PP had given her. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> And I'm not sure how I feel about a male midwife. I've had male OBs, but like you I prefer women. Still it's cool that he chose that profession!<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I believe Tia also works with hypnobirthing.<br><br>
Really I didn't even get to the 2nd one because well with three other kids in the house i never had time to listen.</div>
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Yes she does. I don't know if I'm the type who can be hypnotized (but I don't know much about it) so I'm trying it out to see if I like it. And I agree about finding the time to listen to it quietly. Even with just one DS, I don't know when I'll find the time. But I can listen to the affirmations on my drive to work.
 

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With DD1 the other doctor in the practice was not only male but he had a horrible reputation in town as an a$$. My mom went to the next town over to have me and my brothers because at the time he was the only OB in town. The OB I saw put a note in my file to call her even if she wasn't on call that night. Good thing too cause she wasn't. Whew! Turned out she probably would have been called anyway as there were like a million births that night. The only reason I got a room was because my water broke. Others... were giving birth in OR's.<br><br>
With DD2 I lucked out. My doc was on call. With dd3 I was so comfortable with my midwife... I had been seeing her for YEARS .. (worked in an OB office so I saw her for IUD's and everything else.) that she also put a note in my file to call her in even if she wasn't on call.<br><br>
My point is.. maybe you can talk to the midwifes and tell them you are truly uncomfortable with a male midwife and you wish for one of the others to be called if he is on call. I don't know how Kiaser works.. but most other practices will do this.
 

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The male midwife at Sunnyside/Mt.Talbert is Tom Lloyd. I never met him but from everything I've heard he's a really terrific midwife and a super-nice man.<br><br>
I wouldn't have picked a male midwife to see all through pregnancy, but after having two kids, I really think that when push comes to shove - so to speak - and you're actually giving birth, it doesn't matter if the person in the room is a polka-dotted martian.<br><br>
And yeah, there is a mw at Sunnyside named Bucky. I know some people who've had good experiences with her, but many more who haven't. She's harsh, cold, unkind and made me feel like I was some bad girl who got knocked up and was paying the price. Thank goodness her shift ended before ds was born - not that she actually came to see me more than once or twice...
 
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