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I had a persistently posterior DD and a very painful birth, and this one is persistently posterior as well. I've moved beyond the standard advice (pelvic tilts, spinning-babies type stuff) and am now looking to the big guns like chiropractic for malpresentation.<br><br>
I suspect my pelvis is encouraging this presentation since I have had lower back pain (it comes and goes) my whole adult life, and my mom has the same problem, plus she tells me I was a posterior birth as well.<br><br>
Does anyone have any feedback, personal experience or links on this? I'm particularly interested in how to get these babies to turn when our pelvis is designed to keep them malpresented!
 

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I have no clue Myn, but I just wanted to say HI! Nice to "see" you!<br><br>
I'd definitely give the chiro a try. I'm seeing a chiro for my little flipper (breech this morning, head down when I went to the chiro, head is BACK UP now... sigh) and it's very simple. It sure can't hurt anything. All she did the first time was one adjustment to my lower spine, and then adjust my pelvic ligament on one side. Today was my second treatment, and my spine was OK, but she needed to do the ligament again. It was noticeably easier to adjust this time! I'm hoping if we keep this up, eventually when the kid is head down, he/she will decide to STAY there.<br><br>
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I have an ongoing upper back problem, but I don't get chiro--I see an osteopath who's skilled in manipulation, so it amounts to the same thing. But he tells me (and this is probably applicable to chiro care, too) that he can manipulate all he wants, and if the body doesn't have a means to keep things in the proper place, they will just go back to the way they were.<br><br>
So the question is: If you posterior babies are because of your pelvis, is this just because your pelvis is shaped a particular way (which possibly can't be fixed??), or because it's actually not where it should be in relation to the rest of your body? If it's the latter, then you need to find out how to keep it in place once the chiro fixes it, KWIM? My osteo says I should do yoga to keep my upper back balanced and flexible and to keep the muscles strong so they will hold the spine in place, and also pilates to strengthen my ab muscles (which effectively helps my back overall). Also I have to change a lifetime of horrible posture habits, which I see as a whole lifestyle change, a sort of long-term "resculpting" of my spinal structure. You may need to do something similar, if you've had related issues your whole life.<br><br>
So find out if there are exercises, poses, something you can do to help keep the problem fixed and help encourage your body to hold things in the right place. Even if this isn't the cause of your posterior babies, it's probably going to be better for your overall health in the end. Good luck!!<br><br>
edited to add: Oh, how about trying an ergonomic chair, such as the one pictured in the book "Optimal Foetal Positioning"? That's supposed to help prevent posterior babies, and I know from my midwife making me use one, that it does change the angle of your pelvis!
 

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I just wanted to say that I was a posterior baby for my mom as well; and my dd was posterior. Like you I was very concerned with babe #2's position and worried that it was just the way we were built. Lucklily I was able to encourage him not to go posterior, and the same with babe #3.<br><br>
I do see a chiro. and hadn't been when pg with #1, so that may have had a large part of it. I also really really followed all the advice on this <a href="http://www.homebirth.org.uk/ofp.htm" target="_blank">OFP</a> site. --which I know you mentioned but I really think the part about crawling is very interesting.<br><br>
I also did a lot of research into labor relief for posterior presentation--when in labor with #1 I was completely taken off guard for dealing with back labor--I couldn't get my head around it. I felt like if I was prepared for back labor then it wouldn't have been so long/difficult to manage.
 

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Thanks for all the replies! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> This is going to be long so bear with me.<br><br>
Kathryn, nice to see you as well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wave.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wave"> I just finished my 3rd visit with my chiro this AM. She does craniosacral and reiki in addition to chiro so the visits have really been interesting! I hope everything goes smoothly for you and your babe - you have been in my thoughts. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
Andi, thanks for your thoughts. I mentioned them to my chiro this AM. She showed me two x-rays of a patient who had had a first breech baby, water broke, never went into labor due to pelvic and spinal misalignment, had to have a C. She had given the ok for the chiro to use her x-rays to educate other patients who asked this question. (Kind of interesting as I know of her personally - the homebirth/NFL community in this town is very tight <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> ) After seeing the chiro for a year they took another x-ray and the shape of her not only spine, but also pelvis had actually changed. It was fascinating! Her 2nd babe was head down and VBAC and after viewing the x-rays I would only be able to attribute that to the treatments she received. She did recommend frequent treatments for me, as well as a modified OKC position and pelvic tilts for me to do immediately after each treatment, to keep me in alignment and strengthen my muscles.<br><br>
Melamama, thanks especially for your post. I was hoping to hear from people who had BTDT and your post is very meaningful to me. I have been avoiding recumbent positions, but had kind of given up on OFP exercises since they didn't do squat for my DD. Now I think I should give them another try. I have been sitting on my ball, but I wish I could get my hands on one of those chairs! The crawling thing was interesting to me too: I guess it's time to play "kitty cat" with my 2yo <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
I have been wondering if my labor would have been different if I had been at home instead of with the medwife I wound up with... I was not permitted to be on hands and knees to push, something I was literally begging for. I was forced to remain semisupine, pushed for 2 hours, and have permanent pelvic floor damage as a result. Sometimes I think it's a wonder I managed to give birth naturally. I've set up conditions this time so things will be different... I hope!
 
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