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[cue best imitation of Claude Raines' Captain Renault]<br><br>
I am shocked, shocked that once again Bush Inc.'s political appointees ignored military advise:<br><br>
"Lawyers from the military's Judge Advocate General's Corps, or JAG, had been urging Pentagon officials to ensure protection for prisoners for two years before the abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison came to light, current and former JAG officers told ABCNEWS."<br><br><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/JAG_detainees_040515.html" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/U...es_040515.html</a><br><br>
How noone has been canned at the top level of the DoD is beyond me.
 

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Yes. I believe this is where it all began (this current round of abuse anyway). Also from RD's site:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">This "atmosphere of legal ambiguity," JAG officials told ABCNEWS, began in early 2002, when the Bush administration decided the Geneva Conventions' rules for humane treatment of prisoners did not apply to the war on terror, and to the suspects seized in Afghanistan and held at Guantanamo.</td>
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This is when the 'enemy' ceased to be looked at as a human being. Apparently I'm in good company with this belief.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">"When you say something down the chain of command like, 'The Geneva Conventions don't apply,' that sets the stage for the kind of chaos that we've seen," said Rear Admiral John Hutson (ret.), who was the Navy Judge Advocate General from 1997 to 2000.</td>
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The Australian public now has a pretty clear indication (thank you Major Michael Mori!) that our two 'Aussie Taliban' have been subjected to physical & emotional torture in Guantanamo for the last two years. It seems that sexual abuse was not a part of it, at least in David Hicks' case. Mamdouh Habib, we know a little less about. The current Australian gov't, as of two days ago, said that they had received assurances from the US gov't that the 'detainees' in GB have been well treated & they see no need to question the US authorities any further--- <i>even after Major Mori went on our national tele & basically asked them to re-open the question</i>. I am so not impressed by this kowtowing to the Americans..... make that kowtowing to Dubya.
 

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<b>Army, CIA want torture truths exposed</b><br><br>
"Even worse for Rumsfeld and his coterie of neo-conservative true believers who have run the Pentagon for the past 3½ years, three major institutions in the Washington power structure have decided that after almost a full presidential term of being treated with contempt and abuse by them, <b>it's payback time</b>.<br><br>
Those three institutions are: The United States Army, the Central Intelligence Agency and the old, relatively moderate but highly experienced Republican leadership in the United States Senate."<br><br><a href="http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040518-064124-9605r" target="_blank">http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=...8-064124-9605r</a><br><br>
Heh, heh.
 

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I'll be just as glad as the next person to see Bush & Co. out of a job (well, okay, I'm sure there's some cushy corporate job ready & waiting <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> ) yet somehow I'm not comforted by the idea that even torturers have rules for ethical conduct in the practice of the art of extracting a confession.<br><br>
Wasn't it the CIA that ran the School of Americas?
 

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what surprises me, is that having primed Bush, after finding no WMD, to say that they were going in because SH was a murderer and torturer, that TPTB never thought that just maybe the prisoners might talk, or that soldiers might talk.<br><br>
I'm not surprised that Bush didn't listen, and I'm not surprised that heads upwards, won't roll.<br><br>
I guess I am surprised that any American be be surprised at either point.<br><br>
The writing was on the wall for all this right from the start. Once rumours flowed about Cuba, it was inevitable it would happen in both Afghanistan and Iraq. IMO.
 
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