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Thought I made a thread for this already but I can't find it...or, I'm losing it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Freaking out about pertussis. When is it truly dangerous (for what age group)? My baby is six months and I am considering giving him this one. Is pertussis given alone? How safe is the vax? What's in it? (No thimerisol or fetus cells?)
 

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pertussis is only concerning in children under 6 months old. The odd thing is that even IF you vax the full immunity doenst take effect until after 6 months old. The DPaT is one of the most reactive vax and they do not come seperate. The CDC suspects there are more than 600,000 cases of pertussis every year in the US.<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...nt-table-2.pdf</a>
 

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have you read "what your doctor may not tell you about childrens vaccinations" by stephanie cave.? its a great book i recommend it. she breaks down each vaccine and talks about the side effects and how effective they are. dtap IS one of the most reactive vaccines. its just not worth the risk to me.
 

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Thank you, guys. I was feeling so much better aabout my decision on this one. A big part of that is because my baby just turned 6 months. But, now have been reading that it is a danger to children under one year. Why do some claim the danger under 6 months and some under a year? And why is it not given separately? Any good reason for this?
 

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<a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=577493&highlight=pertussis" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ight=pertussis</a><br><br>
Started this thread for mamas just like you!
 

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I just wrote a post about pertussis in this topic:<br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=660183" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=660183</a><br><br>
Silly, silly vax!
 

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Thank you guys for all your help and support. I am still worried, though, only because I keep reading "danger only under 6 months" and then "danger only under one year." I can't get past this...
 

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Well, just keep reading:<br><br>
Vaccine is ineffective<br><br>
Vaccine is highly reactive<br><br>
to go along with those <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
-Angela
 

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Here's a quote from "Raising a Vaccine Free Child," about how pertussis is no big deal...<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Two things make whooping cough more bearable; a firm resolve and a plastic bowl. The first few whoops are alarming to observe, but you soon get used to them. If you panic you make the child tighten up and gasp all the more. Whooping cough is far worse for the parents than for the child. The sooner you settle into a happy routine of throwing up and cleaning up, the easier it will be for the family. (The child does the throwing up, you do the cleaning up.)<br><br>
The coughing spasms are not glamorous affairs. The eyes bulge and the breath is pulled in through a constricted throat, causing that awful whoop sound. At the end of each spasm the child vomits up thick mucous, and sometimes food. Between spasms he or she sleeps soundly, or is cheerful and chirpy. Whooping cough does not cause the grumpiness that measles and mumps cause.</td>
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There's more of this excerpt here...<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=motheringhud-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FRAISING-VACCINE-CHILD-WENDY-LYDALL%2Fdp%2F1418450170%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_4%2F002-3583172-0006443%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1179867130%26sr%3D8-4" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/RAISING-VACCIN...9867130&sr=8-4</a>
 

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My son is nearly 5 months old and hasn't had his 2nd dose of DTap yet. My pediatrician was concerned with the RSV virus going around in the winter months when DS was very young, but now that it's warmer and springtime, silly question but is pertussis still a concern? Is it one of those diseases that's more prevalent in certain seasons? I'm wondering whether to bother with the 2nd dose of DTaP since it's so reactive. I'm delaying the Prevnar vaccine for that same reason (and also because the older he is, the fewer shots of Prevnar he will need).
 

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I always like to add this bit of info to the pertussis threads....Especially since doctors recently seem to be on a pertussis kick.<br><br>
I was fully vaxxed...I had pertussis....I am alive and okay. (And believe me, I had full blown whooping cough!)<br><br>
Please keep in mind when you're making these vaccination choices that just because you vax, doesn't mean your child is actually immune to what they're being vaccinated with. And as one PP stated, if there are more than 600,000 cases of pertussis per year in the US with the vaccinations in the general population, what's the point of vaccinating?
 

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Still scared about pertussis <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> , especially since I took baby to a holistic pediatrician who stressed that I should really consider pertussis (and hib). But then she says, "You have been really wise to not vaccinate your baby." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Still scared about pertussis <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> , especially since I took baby to a holistic pediatrician who stressed that I should really consider pertussis (and hib). But then she says, "You have been really wise to not vaccinate your baby." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:</div>
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have you looked up the stats on pertussis in your county? It might help as you weigh it all out.<br><br>
also, I don't know where you live but in most of north america peak season is late summer and fall. fwiw
 

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DTE, Pertussis symptomology is most serious in children under 1 year of age. This is not a magical cut-off, just in general. Your confusion may lie with the fact that pertussis infection is more serious in children under 6 months. This vaccine is not available by itself unfortunately; it is administered with Diptheria and Tetanus toxoids (DTaP).<br><br>
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I was a fully vaccinated child.<br><br>
I contracted pertussis.<br><br>
I do remember the whooping. However, I didn't think it was all that horrible. I coughed until my ribs hurt. I was excited though because I didn't have to go to school for a time. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Still haven't vaxed him. I still worry about it everyday. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">
 

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This is the only vaccine I am stressing about right now, too.<br><br>
I do know that if there is going to be a reaction, it gets worse with each consecutive shot. So, what you could do, and what I may do, is give one or two of them (a percentage of children are immune after 1 shot, a greater percentage after 2, and so on) and then check titers. It's more expensive to do it that way, but I would rather do that then just keep putting it in if I don't have to. This is what I have done with my dogs, and I have found that EVERY time, ONE vaccine confers immunity- according to titers, which are good enough for me.<br><br>
Now... that is not to say that the same will be true with kids or with this particular vaccine. But it's worth a shot (excuse the pun) to maybe do only one, he may get immunity from that alone. And the chances of reaction are the lowest in the first couple of times the body "sees" the vaccine.
 

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That's good to know. I posted a thread re: delaying DtP, but was concerned my son wouldn't have full immunity by the time pertussis season rolls around (he's 4 months and hasn't had any vax yet). Maybe I'll have him get 1 or 2 rounds and that's it. Hopefully it would offer at least a little protection.
 
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