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Please Critique this note to my DH:

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I plan on printing it out and leaving it like, in the bathroom so he can read it while he takes a #2 or something. (note the role of midwives up here is a little different than down there...they are kinda like med-wives..)

Ok If we DONT get a doula, here's the deal, If you can't be there %100 for me, If I can't get %100 support, then screw it, ignore me and pay attention to Brianna because she's important too and less able to intelectually process the situation than I am. I dont want my child's first memories of her sibling tainted with fear abandonment and confusion.
I know that *I* Can't have it both ways in labour with only one person for support (Midwives are just medical practitioners, they dont do support) I rather give up my right to labour support so my child doesn't feel abandoned or scared,
than to have only a %50 commited person supporting me. Hence why I figure a Doula would be the best bet, BECAUSE you'll have his hands full with Brianna and myself,
it's not fair to YOU to have that much put on your shoulders.....
I'm showing you that there is a way to spread the workload so to speak...Don't try to super prove yourself. I know you aren't Rob. You dont have to prove that to me.
I just know that seriously, Labour is intense, It requires WORK on both the support person's side, AND the mom's side to manage properly. (read: Counter pressure, pelvic pressure, massage, getting food, water, blowing up the pool, filling the pool, keeping the pool at the right temp, getting washcloths, swaying, nipple stimulation ect ect ect tip of the iceberg) If the support person isnt %100 committed to supporting mom,
then it's gonna not go very well. It didn't last time that's for sure. You want to do too much. Spreading yourself too thin is just as bad as doing
SFA.

Does any of this make sense? The Midwives jobs are to make sure *I* am healthy and the baby is healthy. Not to offer pain management, or relaxation help or oxytocin release. That's not their job.
Heck, in the hospital, the nurses wouldn't be doing anything except going 'You ready for that epidural now?' It would STILL be up to you in a hospital.
The dr would show up right at the end anyway, so he/she is useless as tits on a bull too.
I've been through this before and I know what I'm in for and what I need to be comfortable and get through it and how much better I'll feel if I know that
you're there helping our daughter through it while the doula helps me through the labor.

You can DEFINITELY still be a part of it if we get a Doula. Oh boy can you ever. It's not like you're getting banished from the tent. Just that two vulnerable people, need two sane people, to tend to them.
Like what if it gets too intense for Brianna? What will you do? Ignore her? That would be plain cruel and evil. You'd have to pick now wouldn't you? Wouldn't it be nice to NOT have to make that choice? If we get a Doula you wouldn't have to make the choice between Bug's emotional welbeing and my own
And with a Doula there, you know you wont have to do more than your comfortable with. You can still support me, you can still be there for me, but the load wouldn't be so horrid.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, it's a very scary and intense time. Bug will need someone there for *HER* needs and I'll need someone there for *MY* needs. One person can't do both jobs...Also you've never experienced it before. What if you pass out like a cold turkey? You can't say that you wont because you dont KNOW if you will. I'd be up a creek without a paddle if you pass out before the midwives get there now wont I? Having a second person handy would eliminate that possibility...well..not eliminate the possibility of you passing out, but eliminating the possibility of me being left up shit crick.

I really want you there and involved, I also want Brianna there and involved. I dont want her ignored, feeling left out and hurt and scared....It's a family event.

Heck we can't even take prenatal classes because of your work schedule. You know the Doula can provide private 1-1 instruction about it and whatnot as part of her services, on OUR schedule not some pre-arranges class time...

So yeah..think about it...dont dismiss it. Think about how much easyer it would make your life during the whole labour
Delegate delegate delegate, you dont have to depart but think about the DND philosophy


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I followed your link in TAO, so I dont know the history here. WHat are your DHs reasons for not wanting a doula?

Other than that, it seems very thorough (very good points about being there for your DD, that alone makes all the sense in the world to me) but a tad defensive. I know that whenever my DH and I get to arguing over something that means more to one than the other, we get that way and it very rarely helps. (sorry!) See if you cant take a breath and step back from it a bit. Maybe talk to a doula on your own and see what she would recommend saying to a reluctant person such as your DH? Of course, like I said, I dont know the history here!!! Hope we can be of help.
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Originally Posted by EdlynsMom
I followed your link in TAO, so I dont know the history here. WHat are your DHs reasons for not wanting a doula?

Other than that, it seems very thorough (very good points about being there for your DD, that alone makes all the sense in the world to me) but a tad defensive. I know that whenever my DH and I get to arguing over something that means more to one than the other, we get that way and it very rarely helps. (sorry!) See if you cant take a breath and step back from it a bit. Maybe talk to a doula on your own and see what she would recommend saying to a reluctant person such as your DH? Of course, like I said, I dont know the history here!!! Hope we can be of help.
He feels like his "manhood" is threataned. (there's a link in this forum titled "vetoed" for the rest of the story)
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Just read it....hugs to you!!! I second that idea of having your midwife speak to him, if you can. He does make an effort to go to your visits, right? I can only say then, that maybe you should just hire a doula anyway, if you yourself can afford it. tell him you have done so and that if, during your labor, he decides he is actually very offended that he can leave the house. Its YOUR body, YOUR birth, YOUR choice as to who will help you. If you dont want to do that, Is there a friend you can have over to help with your DD? Im pretty sure that your DD will be curious as to whats going on with mommy and probably a little scared. She will need a trusted adults guidance. You wont be able to be as there for her as youd like, so youd like for him to be available. But you need some help too, labor and birth is intense both mentally and physically and if he is with your DD, who will be with you? The midwives will help some, sure, but they wont/cant be all things at once. They are a bit more concerned with the baby side of things. Hope this helps some... hugs again!!!
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I wouldn't play the all or nothing card. "Either we get a doula, or I give up the right to labor support." That's not fair to you. It's your birth, not his. There are a lot of student doulas who need to get births in to be certified -- if cost is a factor, I bet your MW could put you in touch with resources for one of those. Would your husband forcibly remove a labor support person once they arrived?

Also, can someone else take care of your older child, so he does feel he can be more "with" you during the birth?
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I wouldn't play the all or nothing card. "Either we get a doula, or I give up the right to labor support." That's not fair to you. It's your birth, not his. There are a lot of student doulas who need to get births in to be certified -- if cost is a factor, I bet your MW could put you in touch with resources for one of those. Would your husband forcibly remove a labor support person once they arrived?

Also, can someone else take care of your older child, so he does feel he can be more "with" you during the birth?
It's not cost. It's about his manhood feeling threataned. That's it.

And no, no one else can take care of my older child because I A: live on the other side of the continent from my family and B: I live in a military mainstream community whom I really *DONT* feel like adding anymore gossip fodder to the cannon, and considering my DD has to go to school with the children on base, I dont want to open up my personal intimate space to someone who'll just turn around and gossip about me in front of her children and therefore making DD's school life a living hell for the years we'll be here.

I called the MFRC and Labour and Childbirth is NOT considered an "emergency" and if I want to use their services I can call an OB and schedule and induction date. *their words*

And I'm the type of person to treat others as I would like to be treated. He obviously is extremely upset over this. It literally hurt his feelings when I suggested the doula. I want him to agree on his own terms, not be strongarmed. I dont want my birthspace tainted with hostilities...
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Since this is probably stemming from him wanting to handle labor support himself, feelings of inadequency because you want a doula, etc, I'd take out the bit about him passing out. It's true, but it's not a true that'll help your case with him.

As far as getting a doula for your dd, maybe presenting it as "a babysitter who is used to getting calls at 3am and who knows all about birth to keep Brianna from being scared at all" would help?
Passing out bit taken care of lol

And anyway, unless we take private one on one courses (which the doula fees cover) there's no way he'd be fully prepped.

AANYWAY If I put it like "babysitter" he'd bring up the price Oy.

And the doula would be basicly the other %50 ifun ya know what I mean. DH would be giving %50/%50 between us if the Doula weren't here, and well with the Doula it would make up for that missing %50 KWIM? Like if DD wanted Daddy, he could go to her and whatnot...
It;s very confrontational. I understand how you feel but feeling attacked won't make him understand.
I think the letter comes off as your voice. It has great points. It will make him a bit defensive, but I'm not sure anything you say will not make him defensive. And the strong tone of the letter shows you are not being meek about this issue.

The beginning seems a bit abrupt. Perhaps you could start a little sweeter and apologize for writing a letter instead of speaking to him face to faace. Something to the effect of: "I know we are a better couple with communication than one who passes letters to each other, but our emotions are both so high and I feel it's imperative you truly understand and absorb what I need to say uninterrupted."

I think you could also feel free to add more to it. You have plenty there, but why not throw in some facts about how labor progresses and what can undermine it. Fear, anxiety, distraction all contribute to delayed and slowed labors, which can (but not necessarily will) cause undue stress on the baby. After all, there is yet one more person to be thinking about here. The one who's coming to join you all.
I know you can find more facts. Do some calm research-Google 'why get a doula' or 'doula benefits' or 'effects of fear in labor'.
It's not that I think your letter is insufficient. It's more that I'm pandering to the psychology of a man and his needs for logic and reason to be so overwhelming it hits him over the head.
And in your paragraph about the 1 on 1 doula support, you could suggest that he can spell out his vision and hopes for the labor. He can help script how everyone's role will play out. I think you kind of say that the delegate sentence, but he may want to hear it even more clearly.

Whew. Good luck! Feel free to P.M. me with any questions.
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I think it's a good letter too, but do take out the passing out part, ITA that that statement alone will cancel out the rest of the letter for him. I'm gonna go read the backstory here.

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I think you need to talk more about you. It is confrontational. I am not sure it will get the results you want
How about this....

dh

I would like to discuss the role and support a doula could provide for US during my labor further. I feel very strongly about figuring this out and do not like the way things were left.

I have complete faith in you to provide support to me, a main concern for me involves my dd and her well being.

I plan to set up a meeting with xyz doula for us to meet and discuss some options.

love you so much and can not wait to birth with you
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dw

men did not attend births till very recently- this has nothing to do with his manhood- he is just being a jerk....imo.

Make it clear you want HIM to be the primary support- and the doula as back up- and to give suggestions if he is at a loss- since this isa what they do for a living.

i will say- the reasonn I did NOT want a doula is because I felt my dh would then choose NOT to step up to the plate.\

Natural Childbirth is NOT weird or traumatic for children. they do need support- I think your dd will do fine. I did not want my ds there because I thought I would try to hold it together for him- and I did not want to do that! and when he was there- i did- looking back- i do wish heas there- but it worked out ok
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About confrontational: If any of ya'll have been reading my posts on here, I always seem to have a "confrontational" tone no matter how sweet and non-confrontational I try to be...

It's just the way I am. I could *try* to change it, but it's really difficult because Blunt is my character and "tact" is a
: concept ifun ya know what I mean


He's known me since grade 4, so he knows that just because it "looks" confrontational it really isn't. I just have a serious lack of tact.
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hugs mama.... i just want you to get the outcome. I do know you..... it does sound like you- it is your dh- you asked!!!


Just my opinion.
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