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I am facing a serious problem and I am seeking the advice of anyone and everyone knowledgeable about dogs and dog behavior. This will be long because I want to include every tidbit that might help.

I have a 7 year old Brittany--female. I purchased her when I turned 18; she was 12 weeks old. The first 4 years of her life were pretty simple; I lived at home with my parents and brother, we all worked opposing shifts and she was rarely home alone. Fenced yard, regular trips to the dog park, obedience training, the whole nine yards.

Then my father died suddenly and unexpectedly; my mom was forced to sell her house and dear dog and I had to move into a 300 sq foot flea infested apartment with no yard. During this year while she was being dog sat she ingested 3 times the lethal amount of baking chocolate and was rushed to the emergency vet in the middle of the night. The vets told us that basically there was nothing they could do for her and we decided to take her home. She survived. A little while later she was diagnosed with hemorrhogic gastroenteritis and spent a few days in the animal hospital. She developed severe separation anxiety and the landlord complained that she barked all day while I was gone at work. She destroyed 2 doors and broke out of her crates trying to escape. We tried several anxiety meds but nothing helped her. She started attacking other dogs and I was no longer able to take her to the off-leash park. We lived in the 300 sq foot apartment alone for 1 year and then my fiance and I got married and moved into a 1000 sq foot apartment. While there the neighbors never complained that she was barking while we were gone and she never destroyed any doors or woodwork. She remained aggressive toward other dogs and the few times she was exposed to children (I simply didn't know any), she was uneasy around them.

Now we live in a 1000 square foot house with a large fenced yard. She is starting to get better around other dogs where my ILs can bring there dogs here and they will run and play together with only a few occasional tiffs. She remains uneasy around children, however. It does not seem to be an aggression issue with her and children, IMO, but more of an anxiety issue. With other dogs, she is aggressive. Hackles up, putting her neck over their necks/heads, stiff posture, knocking them down and putting her body on top of theirs. With children and babies it is her pacing, looking around the room, backing up, acting jumpy, ears back.

She has lunged toward our ds several times and been met by us with a sharp correction. We keep them separated as much as humanly possible and they are never alone together but it is unrealistic for me to always be on the ground in between them. Last night for the first time, while I was just a few feet away, she lunged unprovoked toward his face with an open mouth and her teeth caused a large bruise on his forehead and the top of his skull.

I never allow ds to bother her, crawl on her, irritate her; I always help the dog find a "way out" when she is feeling cornered, and I always alert her by waking her up or making her aware that the baby is on the floor so she is never caught off guard. Our house is a very small Cape Cod and there isn't anywhere for her to go. We feed her in gated off room.

She is very obedient, listens very well to basic commands, is not food aggressive toward me or dh, is extremely food-driven and outwardly anxious when we are eating around her and ds is crawling around on the floor but has never so much has made a move to correct him. We allow him to eat say, spelt-O cereal off the floor while she is around (properly supervised) and she would never make a move toward eating a crumb of his cereal without our permission first. I am familiar with NILIF and she readily complies with the principles without protest.

Please help me with any wisdom or advice. I am afraid that there is little we can do but have her put down at this point. She has nipped two children in the past; one 3 years ago (first time we realized she had a problem around children) and one a year ago. The first time her tooth hit the child squarely in the eye. I can't risk something like this happening to ds and am afraid that I am being an irresponsible parent by even considering anything other than having her put down. I do not know how to curb this behavior and we cannot afford a behaviorist (yes, I have looked into the cost). In addition to separation anxiety she suffers from urinary incontinance and takes a daily PPA tablet (since she was 1 year old). I have read "The Dog Who Loved Too Much" and "Second-Hand Dog" in the past and neither have been of any assistance.

I feel like it is only a matter of time before she makes a move that breaks the skin or otherwise seriously injurs ds in the face.
 

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the only advice i can give is lots and lots of walks/runs. take her hunting... that's what she is bred to do. she is trying to be dominant over your son. you shouldn't allow her in the same room with him or let her even smell anything of his until you have made sure the three of you (husband, you and your baby) are the pack leaders. hope that helps
 

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the only advice i can give is lots and lots of walks/runs. take her hunting... that's what she is bred to do. she is trying to be dominant over your son. you shouldn't allow her in the same room with him or let her even smell anything of his until you have made sure the three of you (husband, you and your baby) are the pack leaders. hope that helps
Thank you for your advice. Although we do walk with her and she has free acess to run in our yard, off-leash exercise came to a screeching halt when she became dog-aggressive. I can't trust her at the off-leash dog park anymore or even in the field behind our house. She is not trained to hunt and I am not a hunter--I looked into sending her to doggy "bootcamp" for hunting training but the cost was outrageous and way beyond our budget.

We live in the city.

I could be wrong but I feel like her snapping is out of anxiety and not dominance-aggression. She definitely recognizes myself and my husband as "pack leaders" so that is a non-issue. Given the fact that my ds can eat on the floor in front of her and not take any of his food away until after he is done eating and we give her release to, I don't think she is trying to exert dominance over him either. Plus, he can pick up her toys and although she will watch him with a pained look on her face she has never made a move to take them away from him until he sets them down. As for keeping her totally separate from the family and away from even smelling any of ds's things... I just don't see how that is possible outside of putting her in an entirely different home.

Any other suggestions--anyone?? Is it possible that she is lunging out of "I'm scared and I don't know what else to do please stay away I am feeling overwhelmed" ??? If that is the case is it possible to rehabilitate her, given that we have tried anxiety medications in the past to no avail? Is there a high chance that this will escalate to a full blown bite? Is ds suffering emotional damage? Today when the dog barked for the first time ever he cried and cried and clung to me--I feel like he remembered the bark and bite from yesterday and when she barked today it brought back the pain/fear of being nipped.

As he gets older and more mobile and she gets older and more anxious I feel like the situation will get worse and worse and that I am doing no one any favors by keeping us all together. But at the same time I want to do what is right by my dog AND my baby.



Please if there is anyone out there with knowledge about dog behavior I would love to hear from you.

Making her an "outside dog" or surrendering her to a shelter are not options. Thank you.
 

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You could trying using food to appease her anxiety if she likes food much. I was told by patricia mcconnell, when dealing with dominance/dog aggression with my dog, that when interacting with another dog, when my dog behaves to give her a treat. I wonder if you could switch this around for your dog.
When your dog appears calm around your son, not nervous, you could praise her and give her a treat. When she appears anxious, keep her on a gentle leader and leash. I tried keeping my dog on the gentle leader and leash whenever around other dogs and I definitely had more control over her.
I'm not totally convinced your dog is reacting out of anxiety rather than dominance.
It wouldn't hurt to re-exert your dominance over your dog by using the gentle leader and leash indoors. It won't hurt her, and who knows, maybe it will improve her behavior. At least, if she goes to lunge at your baby again, you can quickly yank the leash (especially if you keep leash tied to your waist) before she can nip him and this would be catching her immediately in the act.
 

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This is not dominence aggresion. This is fear based anxiety (textbook). I'd stear WAY clear of gentle leaders especially for this dog, it's likely to make things worse (as any type of correction collar or restraint device will right now) Leashing her to you is also likely to make things worse, she's scared of your ds and is going to be very likely to react quicker if she is tied off--especially to your body (brings in the element of protecting you)

Your options are limitted really.
1) go back on anti-anxiety meds, separation anxiety is much harder to control than this type of anxiety (in that you are there to aid the dog in dealing) I would try this first all the while being hyper vigilant and see if you notice a difference her the dog's general demeanor when around your ds.
2) ensure that dog and child are never in the same room together unless you are indeed on the floor between the 2 of them.
3) putting her down. Do you feel she's happy? Anxiety can take such a HUGE toll mentally and physically on dogs (as it can humans). I firmly believe that quality of life is more important than quantity. If she is in a constant or near constant state of stress, it may be time to consider that there are worse things than a peaceful death surrounded by the few people you trust and love.

I do not feel this dog is a candidate for safe rehoming--or even rehab.
I would however first try meds and see if you see a difference, keep in mind that most take 6 weeks to reach full blood levels where a definite difference will be visible.
 

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This is not dominence aggresion. This is fear based anxiety (textbook). I'd stear WAY clear of gentle leaders especially for this dog, it's likely to make things worse (as any type of correction collar or restraint device will right now) Leashing her to you is also likely to make things worse, she's scared of your ds and is going to be very likely to react quicker if she is tied off--especially to your body (brings in the element of protecting you)

Your options are limitted really.
1) go back on anti-anxiety meds, separation anxiety is much harder to control than this type of anxiety (in that you are there to aid the dog in dealing) I would try this first all the while being hyper vigilant and see if you notice a difference her the dog's general demeanor when around your ds.
2) ensure that dog and child are never in the same room together unless you are indeed on the floor between the 2 of them.
3) putting her down. Do you feel she's happy? Anxiety can take such a HUGE toll mentally and physically on dogs (as it can humans). I firmly believe that quality of life is more important than quantity. If she is in a constant or near constant state of stress, it may be time to consider that there are worse things than a peaceful death surrounded by the few people you trust and love.

I do not feel this dog is a candidate for safe rehoming--or even rehab.
I would however first try meds and see if you see a difference, keep in mind that most take 6 weeks to reach full blood levels where a definite difference will be visible.


Thank you for your advice!!!!! Your first paragraph hits the nail on the head and when I read it out loud to dh he agreed. Being on a leash, the way you described how she might react, is exactly how she behaves when confronted with another dog while she is attached to a lead.

I DO feel like she has a generally good quality of life which is why putting her down was so difficult a decision. She enjoys running outside, chasing squirrels, following us around the house, napping in the living room--she goes wild when we get home, we march in the 4th of July parade and she loves company and treats. It's only now that she's started to be uptight while ds crawls around, trying to get away. She is normally so polite about it, too... meekly pulling her toys away and finding a place to chew on them. I have so much to think about but I am feeling encouraged. I contacted the Brittany Rescue and they are putting me in touch with some trainers and say that even though we are short on $$ they may be willing to work with us. I will talk to them about medication too because I do not take the decision to place her on a long term medication lightly, especially given she is already on a one-a-day for incontinence and will be for the rest of her life.

Thank you EVERYONE who has replied so far and if anyone else has any suggestions keep them coming because I could use any and all help right now.
 

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You could trying using food to appease her anxiety if she likes food much. I was told by patricia mcconnell, when dealing with dominance/dog aggression with my dog, that when interacting with another dog, when my dog behaves to give her a treat. I wonder if you could switch this around for your dog.
Thank you and she is very food driven so I will explore this option. My first concern is that her anxiety level does increase when food is introduced to the me-her-baby environment. BUT maybe in combination with a clicker we could reward her for being relaxed? I am so confused how she could be scared by a baby...
 

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SF, from your latest post, I think it is very much worth while working with meds, I totally understand your resistance to put her on meds--but it may not be lifelong, once the overwelming anxiety she feels has the edge taken off, it will be MUCH easier to work on the behavior, but if you've ever had a panic attack, you know that rational thought is not high on the list, kwim? Also, the baby will change, I found our younger dog had a lot of anxiety over molly at the age your ds is (we actually went with meds as she was driving me NUTS and the difference was SO pronounced that I felt guilty for not trying it sooner) she is stabilizing now though and off the meds. Molly's movements are more predictable, she doesn't fall or flail anymore. When Molly was sick last week, we actually put her back on the meds just for a week as Molly's constant crying, clingyness and general snarkiness were stressing Bedlam out. Being scared of a baby is actually pretty common--they are unpredictable, owners tend to have an increased stress around them (which is what I am concerned about now..that your dog will interpret the stress you have over the situation happening again as you being afraid of the baby too)

See how it goes with Brittani Rescue, if they can't help you, let me know and I can do a phone consult with you--making too much headway without being able to see the dog is hard, but I'm willing to give it a try. If her stress over the baby hasn't greatly reduced her general quality of life then I think meds and training is worth a good try if you're willing (and it sounds like you are)

One thing I didn't ask though, does the dog have a safe spot that she can start to go to when she's stressed? You can use food to reenforce this location and then your responsibility is to ensure that your ds does NOT go near that spot. She needs one spot in the house where she can go when she is overwelmed and KNOW for a fact that you will protect her from the baby if she is there. She must believe that she is ALWAYS safe in that spot.
 

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Shannon may have more on this, but this is the second Brittany I've heard about with these kinds of issues. I think that 90% of ANY problem with a Brittany is exercise. These dogs are meant to be THE MOST ACTIVE of almost any sporting breed. They were bred to be small, agile, day-in-day-out hunters, and they're extremely, extremely sensitive. Lots and lots of things upset them and if they're not blunted by extreme exercise they have nowhere to put that adrenaline except into reactive, inappropriate action.

As Shannon will tell you, separation anxiety is one of the hardest to deal with, and Brittanys are incredibly prone to it. They're honestly not a breed that I consider easy to deal with. I can tell you that lunging with an open mouth is actually a good sign; she wasn't trying to hurt the baby, just acting the way she would to a puppy, and she's obviously intolerant of mysterious baby actions and moves. However, it cannot be tolerated.

If she were mine, I'd attack it three ways: one, she needs exercise. A LOT of exercise. Do you own a treadmill? Because I'd roadwork her or treadmill her instantly. Bike with her, roadwork her beside/behind a car (obviously only on a very deserted stretch of road), swimming, agility, flyball, etc. She should be moving at least an hour a day (work up to this, of course), just like people, alternate walk and trot for roadwork and for the more "free" exercise like swimming or agility let her set her own pace and let her stop when she's tired. You can do three 20-minute sessions or one long class. And at least once a week, maybe more, she needs to be able to run a long, long time. A hike or a simulated hunt situation would be ideal.

Second, I'd see a very good behaviorist who can "diagnose" her and get her back into the swing of things obedience-wise. A good behaviorist/trainer can get you back in a dominant role and give you specific in-house tips.

Third, I'd see a vet homeopath once you have a diagnosis from the trainer. Homeopathy is one of the only disciplines that can directly affect mood and behavior in dogs (without drugging them).

While I would do the above, I would also never, never leave her alone with any baby, and I would be prepared to say goodbye to her if I could not get this behavior under control with help. I think a lot of these are fixable, especially with a dog that is clearly sending a message that things have changed and are not "right" anymore (much less exercise, baby around, different house, bad experiences, etc.), but any time a dog has learned that teeth on a human get him or her someplace, I take it very, very seriously.

As you can see, just the exercise alone is going to require a major lifestyle change. It can be an opportunity for wonderful things--there are few things better for your own health than being forced to move with a dog for an hour a day--but it's a huge commitment. Let us know how we can help.
 

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See how it goes with Brittani Rescue, if they can't help you, let me know and I can do a phone consult with you--making too much headway without being able to see the dog is hard, but I'm willing to give it a try. If her stress over the baby hasn't greatly reduced her general quality of life then I think meds and training is worth a good try if you're willing (and it sounds like you are)

One thing I didn't ask though, does the dog have a safe spot that she can start to go to when she's stressed? You can use food to reenforce this location and then your responsibility is to ensure that your ds does NOT go near that spot. She needs one spot in the house where she can go when she is overwelmed and KNOW for a fact that you will protect her from the baby if she is there. She must believe that she is ALWAYS safe in that spot.
I know that Andrew will grow and change but my fear is that the situation will only get worse for Brady because Andrew is our first child and we plan to have more. So although her relationship with Andrew may improve, there will be a setback with a new baby, and a setback with another new baby, etc. etc.

Thank you for your kind offer of a phone consult. I received another email from the Brittany Rescue this morning with a bunch of flyers about dogs and babies and separation anxiety. Very nice of them but not necessarily applicable... it was a lot of the let-the-dog-smell-the-baby's-clothes and don't-let-your-baby-pull-the-dog's-ears type of thing. I am going to call one or two of the trainers they listed for me, though, and the state coordinater did say that if I can't get anywhere with the trainers we can talk about the possibility of surrendering her to rescue. I'm not so sure about that, though, I feel like the better option if we don't get anywhere may be to put her down.

I am going to try and stay realistic about the whole situation and remember that you are right, quality of life is more important than longevity and she may not get better. I will be honest with myself when evaluating her quality of life and deciding whether or not she has had "enough." I am sad to say that I am not a stranger to making the decision to put a dog down.
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As for a safe place, truthfully she doesn't have a GREAT safe place right now. She always has somewhere she can go to be in a different room, different floor, outside, etc., but of course there is the whole separation anxiety thing too and she doesn't necessarily WANT to be in a separate room and certainly not a separate floor so last night dh and I talked about setting her crate back up somewhere in the living room.

I've pulled out my anxiety books ("I'll be Home Soon!" "Second Hand Dog" and "The Dog Who Loved Too Much") for a re-read today as well.
 

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Shannon may have more on this, but this is the second Brittany I've heard about with these kinds of issues. I think that 90% of ANY problem with a Brittany is exercise. These dogs are meant to be THE MOST ACTIVE of almost any sporting breed. They were bred to be small, agile, day-in-day-out hunters, and they're extremely, extremely sensitive. Lots and lots of things upset them and if they're not blunted by extreme exercise they have nowhere to put that adrenaline except into reactive, inappropriate action.

As Shannon will tell you, separation anxiety is one of the hardest to deal with, and Brittanys are incredibly prone to it. They're honestly not a breed that I consider easy to deal with. I can tell you that lunging with an open mouth is actually a good sign; she wasn't trying to hurt the baby, just acting the way she would to a puppy, and she's obviously intolerant of mysterious baby actions and moves. However, it cannot be tolerated.

If she were mine, I'd attack it three ways: one, she needs exercise. A LOT of exercise. Do you own a treadmill? Because I'd roadwork her or treadmill her instantly. Bike with her, roadwork her beside/behind a car (obviously only on a very deserted stretch of road), swimming, agility, flyball, etc. She should be moving at least an hour a day (work up to this, of course), just like people, alternate walk and trot for roadwork and for the more "free" exercise like swimming or agility let her set her own pace and let her stop when she's tired. You can do three 20-minute sessions or one long class. And at least once a week, maybe more, she needs to be able to run a long, long time. A hike or a simulated hunt situation would be ideal.

Second, I'd see a very good behaviorist who can "diagnose" her and get her back into the swing of things obedience-wise. A good behaviorist/trainer can get you back in a dominant role and give you specific in-house tips.

Third, I'd see a vet homeopath once you have a diagnosis from the trainer. Homeopathy is one of the only disciplines that can directly affect mood and behavior in dogs (without drugging them).

While I would do the above, I would also never, never leave her alone with any baby, and I would be prepared to say goodbye to her if I could not get this behavior under control with help. I think a lot of these are fixable, especially with a dog that is clearly sending a message that things have changed and are not "right" anymore (much less exercise, baby around, different house, bad experiences, etc.), but any time a dog has learned that teeth on a human get him or her someplace, I take it very, very seriously.

As you can see, just the exercise alone is going to require a major lifestyle change. It can be an opportunity for wonderful things--there are few things better for your own health than being forced to move with a dog for an hour a day--but it's a huge commitment. Let us know how we can help.
Thank you so much for your insight!!


It is true that Brittanys need a massive amount of exercise and that is def. the biggest problem that I am facing. It used to be no problem--a no brainer: the off-leash dog park. HUGE and gorgeous with a stream for swimming, hills for climbing and open hills for running, it was just about completely fenced so she could run until she collapsed. We practically lived there. Plus, we live by Lake Michigan so she can swim there, too. I even got an ILP # for her years ago with the intention of getting into agility.

Then the separation anxiety started, then the chocolate incident occured, and suddenly she was attacking other dogs. That pretty much severed our ability to go out off-leash at all, and certainly not at the dog park. I tried taking her in to Canine Good Citizen classes but she was too anxious around the other dogs and we quit. We have a BIG gorgeous field behind our house where people let their dogs run and run but I just can't let her out there so she is confined to our yard. She does enjoy running around our yard, it's really large for a city yard, but it's no dog park.
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This is the thread from when I put Bedlam on meds--her stress manifested in different ways, but it was still anxiety.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...+%2B+Clonicalm
Thank you--Clomicalm is one drug that we haven't tried, although my aunt, who is big into Greyhound rescue, has had great success using it with her own dogs. With Brady we have tried Amitriptyline and Buspirone.
 

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My heart breaks for you at this tough time and as someone already stated this is a "classic" case of anxiety. I use to be a vet tech and now I'm a homeopath so I've seen this before. First let me comfort you in saying that your dog doesn't have to be euthanized. There are other options for her. Whether those options are for your family I think is more the question. You see, you have a high needs dog. This breed, as others have stated, is really not a great indoor breed and add to that what has happened, as you've already figured out, and you have a dog that's behavior is inappropriate. There are homeopathic remedies that she can be given to help her over her anxiety but the age of your child (and the flailing they do) and the fact that you want more will play into how you decide. There are people who can have high needs animals and then there are others because of their current time in life that can't. I'm sorry to say this dear momma, but I'm afraid you may be the latter. Had you been say, empty nesters, this situation wouldn't be as much of a problem. It would probably be a nuisance, but because you're in the family time of your life you may need to consider having her adopted by a loving family who understand her limitations. I think with proper behavior modifications, the right homeopathic remedy and a family or single person who understand this breed and her own personal limitations she will go on to live a happy life.

If you do consider keeping her I think you may need to buy a muzzle for her when she goes out if she's a "known" biter. While i think a gentle halter works great for correction in an animal that doesn't mind, it does not help with biting. With a gentle halter the animal has the ability to almost completly open their mouth which means they can bite. You may even have to muzzle her when she's around your child just to be safe. This will prevent her from having an unforseen anxiety mishap that could injure your child. Just remember to get a proper fit for the muzzle or it won't work. This of course is in addition to a homeopathic remedy and behavior modifications which should eventually lead to her not needing the muzzle.

Anyway this is just my opinion but I hope it eases your mind in some way to know that she doesn't have to be euthanized.
 

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Thank you--Clomicalm is one drug that we haven't tried, although my aunt, who is big into Greyhound rescue, has had great success using it with her own dogs. With Brady we have tried Amitriptyline and Buspirone.
Definitely give it a try then, clonicalm is in a whole different level than elavil and buspirone with a MUCH higher success rate, they're like comparing apples to oranges. You may well be in for a pleasant surprise. I totally understand not wanting to put a dog on meds....but this will do way less damage than euthanol.
 

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My heart breaks for you at this tough time and as someone already stated this is a "classic" case of anxiety. I use to be a vet tech and now I'm a homeopath so I've seen this before. First let me comfort you in saying that your dog doesn't have to be euthanized. There are other options for her. Whether those options are for your family I think is more the question. You see, you have a high needs dog. This breed, as others have stated, is really not a great indoor breed and add to that what has happened, as you've already figured out, and you have a dog that's behavior is inappropriate. There are homeopathic remedies that she can be given to help her over her anxiety but the age of your child (and the flailing they do) and the fact that you want more will play into how you decide. There are people who can have high needs animals and then there are others because of their current time in life that can't. I'm sorry to say this dear momma, but I'm afraid you may be the latter. Had you been say, empty nesters, this situation wouldn't be as much of a problem. It would probably be a nuisance, but because you're in the family time of your life you may need to consider having her adopted by a loving family who understand her limitations. I think with proper behavior modifications, the right homeopathic remedy and a family or single person who understand this breed and her own personal limitations she will go on to live a happy life.

If you do consider keeping her I think you may need to buy a muzzle for her when she goes out if she's a "known" biter. While i think a gentle halter works great for correction in an animal that doesn't mind, it does not help with biting. With a gentle halter the animal has the ability to almost completly open their mouth which means they can bite. You may even have to muzzle her when she's around your child just to be safe. This will prevent her from having an unforseen anxiety mishap that could injure your child. Just remember to get a proper fit for the muzzle or it won't work. This of course is in addition to a homeopathic remedy and behavior modifications which should eventually lead to her not needing the muzzle.

Anyway this is just my opinion but I hope it eases your mind in some way to know that she doesn't have to be euthanized.
While I agree homeopathy is certainly worth a try, I don't agree with rehoming this dog. Fear biters are NEVER normal and will always have a short fuse. Rescues who rehome fear biters are the reason so many rescues have really BAD names with trainers and other animal professionals. There is no way of guarenteeing that a new home will actually be capable of handling this dog. How would the OP feel if she opened the paper one morning to find the dog she had surrendered had mauled a small child? There are REALLY nice dogs that are put to sleep each day--rehoming a dog that will very likely bite again and will most definitely be a difficult dog is akin to tying a rope around one of those nice dogs necks--why take the chance?? If this were the last dog on the face of the earth, sure, but it's not and perfectly good dogs that need FAR less work die everyday just because there is nowhere for them to go. Rehoming problem dogs takes valuable energy and time away from the dogs that aren't so needy.
 

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This may not apply to your case and you may have done much of this, SF, but I wanted to put it out there for others' sake.
Exercise, discipline, then affection.
Excersise should be structured: walks with a short, loose leash with dog at the owners side or a bit behind. Stay calm and assertive. In nature, dogs walk and when walking dogs follow their pack leaders; what better way to start enforcing good pack mentality than by walking? Walks should happen for an hour or more a day. Dont let him stop to sniff whenever he wants. You pick where and when and for how long to stop. Keeping up a good pace and keeping the dog focused goes a long way towards burning off energy. Running or skating or even biking with your dog is also good, but remember to enforce his manners. (And be careful!!)
Bring the pack mentality back into teh home by using discipline. YOU decide where the dog will sleep, or how he should act around company. If hes in your way and you want him to move, make him move. Remember that you are the pack leader, not the dog.
After the dog has been worn out and is in a calm, submissive state, its ok to give affection. Pats, rubs, and dog parks count as affection. Go for a long walk, then go to the offleash park/beach/lake. But stay alert and observant in case you need to step in as pack leader.

I hope you reach a good conclusion with your dog, SF. I had Brittanys grwoing up, and I remember how high energy they are! They are great dogs, but can be trying at the best of times. Sending out good thoughts to you....
 

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I am sorry that you are going through this. It is so heartbreaking, I know! I *had* an 8 year old Rottweiler that I had since I was 19. She is a very loving dog, lazy, perfect mannered. Perfect dog, except.... She is afraid of children, since children move so fast and unexpectantly. She nipped two children (both on the hand, the children were sticking their hands over the fence to pet her as she was barking at them, no damage on one child and a small blood blister on the other)

When dd started crawling, the dog would growl when baby would get close. I know my baby isn't the nicest with animals, either. She loves to pull their hair out by the handfuls. So, the dog moved in with my parents for the remainder of her life. I miss her terribly, but she is now in a child free home. I do visit my parents monthy, but baby stays in one of the 2 rooms that the dogs (3 rotties total) do not have access to. My parents are also *boarding* my 1.5 year old rottie who LOVES children untill she settles down a bit. I am afraid baby will get trampled or knocked over. She is full of energy and I do not have the time to properly exercise her since having the baby. My parents also have their own Rottie.

Would you be able to find a temporary new child free home for your dog? I know you love your dog, but I would hate for you to see your baby get hurt, and you suffer with the guilt since you knew your dog had issues. Good luck with whatever you decide. I know it is a tough decision.
 

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I am bumping this thread because there have been some new developments since my last posting and I am hoping for some input.

After all of your thoughtful and insightful replies dh and I decided on a plan of action with our dog, starting with changes around the house and then escalating to medication if necessary and ending with a discussion of re-homing or euthanasia.

After my post we retrieved Brady's crate from storage and set it up in the living room. PROBLEM SOLVED! All of her anxiety and nervousness melted away. Things were going WONDERFULLY. No visible anxiety, no problems keeping them separated, no problems at all, basically. Brady could retreat to her crate any time she felt overwhelmed or bothered, yet could still "hang out" in the living room with the family.

Out of left field, two days ago, Brady nipped ds in the face, broke the skin, and knocked him over. There was no warning. We were all in the kitchen together, she was following quietly behind ds and he was walking across the kitchen. I was right behind the dog and about to redirect her when ds turned around and was face to face with the her. In a flash ds lifted up his arms toward her face and she simultaneously growled and snapped, catching him in the nose. He cried out and fell flat on his back.

Dh and I don't know whether we should proceed with some of the other ideas on the thread (medication, etc.) or if this has escalated too far. She hasn't even batted an eye at ds since we set up her crate, and now this.
: She is also having breakthrough wetting on her PPA--something I was afraid would happen as she got older, but she's only 8. She is retreating to her crate (voluntarily) more and more and I know that is not a good life. But what I don't know is whether she could be surrendered to rescue and live happily in a child-free home, whether she is not a good candidate for rescue and should be put down, or whether we can and should still pursue other treatment options.

Thank you for any new input.
 

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I hope that your son heals well and does not scar. I don't think medications are going to help. It does not seem like your dog is overly hyper or anything. I feel your dog needs a new home, without children. I know it is heartbreaking, but now you had two warnings. Thankfully, no serious injury. But, a nose is not far from an eye. It sounds like a close call to me. As long as the dog goes to a home without children, I don't see why re-homing would be bad.
 
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