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I need some thoughts from you all...I'll try to be brief:<br><br>
my son 2 yo has had infrequent bowell movements since birth it seems. Even before solids (exclusively bf until after 6 months... no supplements or even bottles of bm) he would have a bowell movement every 4 to 5 days and would grunt and strain even then. After he started solids, his bowell movements were even less frequent and became hard. I tried more fiber, water, priobiotics (I was never very consistent with these) and nothing helped at all. It got so bad that he actually bled one time. His pediatrician suggested using miralax. Of course, I was reluctant but felt like we had little choice at the time because he was sooo uncomfortable. He has been using miralax about 5 times per week since he was 15 months old. Even on the miralax he only has a bowell movement every 4 to 5 days or so but it is not hard (consistency) he still strains and grunts. In the past couple of weeks, I actually backed down on the miralax because I had started him on a Natural Calm and that had seemed to be helping. However, he then went 14 days without a bowell movement. On day 13 the pediatrician gave him a glycerin suppository. He still did not go. We went back to the pediatrician on day 14 to have another, he took one look at her said, "NO!" and walked over to me and pooped HUGE! I realize now that part of the problem is that he is intentionally holding it in. He does go through periods where he will walk around in circles on his tippy toes and fuss. I thought that this is when he was trying to go but now realize that this is when he is holding it in...<br><br>
Also... he has food allergies (IgE blood test positive) to egg, soy, tilapia, chocolate. His diet contains none of these and has not for MANY months. I also thought he was allergic to dairy based on my elimination diet. Allergist said no so we could try dairy. We started back on dairy for the first time in his life about 4 weeks ago. Now, I believe that the 14 day stretch with no poop was related to reintroduction of dairy. So... now we are off dairy again. In the meantime... I took him to a chiropractor who did some testing (applied kinesiology...muscle testing) on him and me. This was fascinating to me and remarkably mirrored the blood tests that the allergist did. In addition, she found him sensitive to dairy and to have yeast. I also suspected this to be a problem. (when he was 10 days old I had a UTI and had to take antibiotics, hence destroying his gut flora and resulting in all of the above issues) She suggested a list of supplements to rid him and me of the yeast, heal his gut and supplement deficiencies. However, the supplements are VERY expensive. She also directed me to one supplier which rubs me the wrong way. I like to have options and really want to know that my doctor is independent, ykwim? Here are the supplements she suggested... I am not 100% certain which are intended for me and which are for him as I have not ordered them yet. She told me to bring them in when I recieve them and she will test them on him to get accurate dosages... have you all heard of these things? Do you feel we are on the right track with this chiro? What else can we do to help him? He is holding it in today again and very fussy, it breaks my heart to see my baby suffer <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Pau darco<br>
Adenosylcobalamin<br>
Folinic Acid<br>
Ionic Magnesium (this is the same thing in the Natural Calm, I think)<br>
Methylcobalamin<br>
Undecyn (this one for sure is for me)<br><br>
Also, she said that even though he tested sensitive to dairy and she suggests completely eliminating dairy, it is fine to use a probiotic that is grown in dairy culture. I thought this is odd.. what do you all think of all of this mess?????<br><br>
I really appreciate your thoughtful responses....<br>
peace<br><br>
jen
 

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My son went through this, and for us it was primarily magnesium deficiency. If you saw improvements with natural calm before putting milk back in, I'd take out milk, and keep working on the natural calm. The deal is that calcium impedes magnesium absorption, so starting back on dairy if he is magnesium deficient will have counteracted the natural calm.<br><br>
As for the other supps, adenosylcobalamin and methylcoabalamin are just two different forms of vitamin b12. I have no idea how that relates to pooping or yeast, but you could just go get some methyl b12 sublingual tabs and try those - they taste good, so they're easy to get kids to take. That and folinic acid (an activated form of folic acid) are involved in the methylation cycle - both good supps to not be deficient in.<br><br>
Pau d'arco is a yeast killer. I'd probably want to start gentler (and cheaper!) with water kefir and coconut oil (for both you and your little guy). The kefir helps populate the gut with good bacteria, and is often more effective than probiotics.<br><br>
Never heard of the undecyn, but it's a blend of some good things, all of which can be acquired separately. Is Thorne the brand she pointed you at? It's good stuff, we use a lot of THorne supps. You can get them online cheaper at iherb.com <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">.
 

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thanks for the reply... yes it is Thorne that she suggested. I am sticking with the natural calm but not entirely sure how much to give him. So far I he is taking about 1 1/2 tsp 1x per day. It has a strong flavor though so I have to dilute it and then there is sooo much to drink. I am having a hard time getting him to take it all. Also, we did start the Pau Darco already and this is also really strong...same problem. He is 2 and will eat or drink if he feels like it, otherwise I usually end of wearing it! Mamafish9... did your son also have the with holding part of this problem? I just can't convince him that it is ok to go... He is now on day 4 and was holding it today. He was walking around in circles and fussing. He had a tiny bit in his diaper but not a whole movement. I just wonder if we fix up his gut will this part of it just go away, too? I am not sure what water kefir is but will look into this... would he take this and probiotics or would the water kefir take the place of probiotics? How do you use/take the coconut oil? thanks again<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">thanks for the reply... yes it is Thorne that she suggested. I am sticking with the natural calm but not entirely sure how much to give him. So far I he is taking about 1 1/2 tsp 1x per day. It has a strong flavor though so I have to dilute it and then there is sooo much to drink. I am having a hard time getting him to take it all. Also, we did start the Pau Darco already and this is also really strong...same problem. He is 2 and will eat or drink if he feels like it, otherwise I usually end of wearing it! Mamafish9... did your son also have the with holding part of this problem? I just can't convince him that it is ok to go... He is now on day 4 and was holding it today. He was walking around in circles and fussing. He had a tiny bit in his diaper but not a whole movement. I just wonder if we fix up his gut will this part of it just go away, too? I am not sure what water kefir is but will look into this... would he take this and probiotics or would the water kefir take the place of probiotics? How do you use/take the coconut oil? thanks again<br><br>
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Yes, we had the witholding problem too - and my son is autistic and about the level of a 12 month old in the language he understands. We did enemas, for me, they were the gentlest solution. The way to fix that long term is for his poops not to hurt or take effort - but addressing his magnesium, at least for my son, really increased his urges to poop, so that helped as well.<br><br>
Coconut oil (get the unrefined stuff) tastes good, so you can use it where you would use butter - like coconut oil and peanut butter sandwiches are yummy <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">. It's easy to get into kids, and has natural yeast fighting stuff in it.<br><br>
For magnesium, the easiest way is Epsom salts baths, if your little guy will stay in a bath for 20 minutes - 2c in a warm bath, every night if possible.
 

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My own story on our leaky guts w/ recs on healing is here: <a href="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/healing-leaky-gut-with-food?page=5&commentId=2814160%3AComment%3A5061&x=1#2814160Comment5061" target="_blank">http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...160Comment5061</a> Lots of really helpful, food based recs.<br><br>
Also, have you seen this page: <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=434071" target="_blank">Healing the Gut Tribe ~ CHEAT SHEET</a><br><br>
And this thread: <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1096747" target="_blank">Where to start? Help 101</a>--there is lots of gut healing stuff there.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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HTH! Good luck!!!
 
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