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I am so nervous!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I am going to kind of go backwards on this- the way it happened to me.<br><br>
First, I am about three months pregnant. I started bleeding a few days ago (which I have also done in my last two pregnancies, still having two healthy babies). Then today I passed a huge clot which really freaked me out.<br><br>
My DS-4 has been sick for a few days, with a fever. He has allergies and I was thinking maybe he just gave himself an infection from all the sniffeling. Then maybe yesterday, I noticed a light pink rash all over his trunk.<br><br>
I was just sitting on the couch holding him and all of a sudden had a 'duh' moment. My good friend's little girl had rubella not long ago!<br><br>
So here I am, all worried. Does ruebella cause miscarriages? It causes a bunch of birth defects, right? All the time, or is it just a possibility?<br><br>
I am fully vaxed (I am 25 so I got whatever they gave out 25 years ago). My DS is (regretfully) partially vaxed. He had one MMR a few years ago.<br><br>
Not to sound totally stupid, but I am not even sure what name to use- rubella or rubeola or german measles...?<br><br>
Any advice or anything would be greatly appreciated!<br><br>
Thank you,<br>
Faith
 

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Faith,<br><br>
It sounds like he may have chicken pox rather than rubella to me. Rubella can start with a fever and sniffling, but is usually accompanied by swollen glands in the neck as well as the fact that the rash starts at the base of the neck and creeps downward.<br><br>
In chicken pox, the rash starts on the trunk. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Also, if he had the MMR a few years ago then he's vaxed for it. The CDC recommendation is to have it between 15 and 18 months and then not again until age 4 or 5.<br><br>
As for you, since you were completely vaxed as a child, you have the immunity and this means that your baby in utero does as well. If you are really worried about it, call your midwife/OB and ask if they did a rubella titer on you when you had your blood work done. I'm sure that it'll show you as immune, so you shouldn't worry.<br><br>
Now, if you really want to know... you can go <a href="http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/skin/german_measles.html" target="_blank">here</a> to find out about rubella, and <a href="http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/infections/skin/chicken_pox.html" target="_blank">here</a> to go find out about chicken pox.
 

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from what I know they can test you when pregnant to see if you have the antibodies to Rubella and if you do then you are fine, but I am not 100% sure on that. I would let your midwife or doc know.
 

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<a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76652&highlight=rubella+AND+pregnant+AND+vitamin" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...nt+AND+vitamin</a><br>
Read this thread. It is long and a little technical but I would want to read it if I were you.
 

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Actually this thread is better.<br><a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68296&highlight=rubella+AND+pregnant+AND+vitamin" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...nt+AND+vitamin</a><br><br>
Read Hilary's post carefully. It is Llllloooooooooong. It is worth it. The short answer is, whatever virus you may have, you should be slamming Vitamin A.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I believe that any pregnant mother should be taking 15,000 IU's of betacarotene a day (no, it won't damage the foetus) and if they get any sort of viral infection it should be increased only enough to eliminate the photophobia, since that is the first sign of vitamin A removal by viruses of any sort.... and all of them can cause torch, just some more than others. And CMV is worse than rubella, but we don't have a vaccine for that, so they don't ram that one down mother's fear-closets.......</td>
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You will have neon pee.
 

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Rubella immunity is something they check for with routine prenatal screeing, so if you've had that bloodwork done your doctor will know if you're immune.<br><br>
And remember you can always take your DS to a doc for a diagnosis w/out using his/her recommendations for treatment of whatever he's got.
 

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This was probably mentioned on Hilary's long threads, but if your blood titers don't demonstrate immunity to rubella, I would NOT repeat NOT let them give you the rubella vax now. Here's why:<br><br>
1) You can be immune to rubella and not have it show up on the blood titers.<br><br>
2) Rubella vax during pregnancy or immediately thereafter can trigger arthritis (an auto-immune disease).<br><br>
(Which I've learned from Hilary's posts).<br><br>
I hope your little guy is feeling better, and I hope you get some mental calm and clarity soon - it will all be OK!
 

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Thanks so much, everyone!<br><br>
I am feeling a little better this morning. I talked to some more of my friends and a nurse, and I guess roseola is going around, and it is probably that.<br><br>
I still am debating taking him in to the doctor to see what she thinks, but really I am not in the mood to go there and get hassled about not having him fully vaxed in the first place, yk? I just don't need it today, expessially considering- what difference does it make at this point when I would be exposed anyway?<br><br>
From all the reading I did, I kind of got that *I* would actually have to have caught the ruebella in order for their to be a chance of harm to the baby. Does anyone know if that is right?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/confused.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Confused">:<br><br>
I read the whole thread you linked to, Kama'aina mama. Wow! Hilary is so informed!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!"> I will start the vitamins, and that makes me feel much better! Thank you!<br><br>
I did not have any routine prenatal screening. My midwife doesn't do that. But with my first pregnancy, I worked in a day care and had a doctor who screened me for everything- so I am sure she would have checked me for rubella, now that I think about it.<br><br>
Thank you for all the quick replies and all the support!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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Something else I picked up reading Hilary is that "immunity" may not be nearly as cut and dried as previously believed. She seems convinced that it is possible to get some of these illnesses more than once even after testing positive for titers.
 

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I had a routine test righ tin th ebeginin gof my preg, and they tested for immunity to rubella........<br><br>
Odd thing is, I seem to remember when I was pregnant with my son they were worried because I WASN"T immune, this time however the test cam back saying I AM immune - - very weird.<br><br><br>
Could the rash be a heat rash? My son had a rash a little while ago - he still has some around his neck (but I'm not sure where you are, its hot as heck here in So CA)
 

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Yes, you would have to catch Rubella yourself for it to harm your unborn baby.<br><br>
Sometimes the blood test can show a false negative for immunity...and yes, most diseases you can still catch if you've been immunized, no vaccine gives 100% immunity--they just make getting sick after exposure to a virus less likely, and for some make it less likely that severe complications will result if you do catch it.<br><br>
I'd not get the rubella vax while pg, either, not that it was something I had to worry about...I've been dosed with pretty much every vaccine out there thanks to Uncle Sam's Canoe Club, including half the series for anthrax (before they 'ran out' while I was in an area they decided was high risk and therefore required mandatory vaxing for all personnel stationed there). <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:
 

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Okay... I poked around and found some studies... the biggest concern with excess Vit A is cranio-facial issue (Cleft palate and some others things.) It seems to be the biggest risk first trimester. The studies also say that over 10,000 IU could be a problem. BUT: That 10,000 iu refers to Vit A itself. There are no concerns at this time about beta ceroteen (sp, I know!) which <i>can</i> convert to Vit A in the body. It would seem that your body will not make enough Vit A from the Beta C to harm you or your baby.<br><br>
So: If you decide to go with a megadose Vit A, don't take Vit A, take beta careteen.<br><br>
ETA now that I look at my earlier post, Hilary says it right (in the quote) she used betacaratene. It was my sloppy paraphrase that said Vitamin A. I'm glad you said something, mahdokht!
 

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Sorry it took me so long to answer. Things are just crazy here. We had (uninvited) people over allllll day yesterday and then DH had to fly out and the kids were crazy after all of the excitement.<br><br>
Anyway, thank you all so much!<br><br>
Kama'aina mama, thank you for taking the time to look into all of this. I had no idea about any of the things you told me.<br><br>
I will be taking the beta carateen.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
No, it wasn't heat rash... but I wish it was! I don't even know what is going on now, because my bleeding has really gotten bad. I have an official pregnancy test on Wednesday, and I hope it still positive. (I will be okay either way, although of course I hope I get to keep this little guy!)<br><br>
ETA~ p.s. I read your sig, KM, and I don't know Don but I will keep my eyes open!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Just to get a second word in here, yes, it's fine to get lots of BC as your source of Vit A, so says my completely traditional MD. So you've got it from both "sides" of the spectrum!<br><br>
We got so wound up in the discussion of disease, vax and treatments, we forgot about your bleeding. I really hope it ends up being nothing? This would be terrible, but common at your stage: is it possible you have a vanishing twin?
 
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