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DS is 9 months, no teeth. He has been teething since he was 4.5 months old.<br><br>
From 2.5 months to 4.5 months he slept great at night, than within 3 nights it totally unraveled. I thought, okay, sleep regression, yaddayaddayadda. Couple weeks and it gets better.<br><br>
Nothing ever got better. It just got continously worse.<br><br>
We have tried EVERYTHING. From chiropractors, osteopaths, total elimination diets (yes, long enough, I starved myself on rice and millet). There is NOTHING we haven't tried.<br><br>
He is now up every goddamn 20 minutes, won't sleep at all unless I am there and he can sleep latched on.<br><br>
I just have given up any hope and frankly the whole "growth spurth around week xyz" is not even believable to me since it only got continously worse from 4.5 months, never ever better.<br><br>
He goes to sleep and is up 20 minutes later- only to be up until 10. He might sleep for 40 minutes latched on when I am there but it is just pure torture.<br><br>
We've seen everyone from osteopaths to regular GI docs to figure out if anything else is bugging him.Allergies, cranio sacral, nothing helps at all.<br><br>
Can somebody PLEASE tell me this gets better??? I seriously can't do this until he's four, honestly by then I have jumped of the bridge or throttled DS because I simply cannot take it anymore.<br><br>
Anyone out there that has a slow teether like that? He is 9 months old and not a single tooth, I am horrified to think of another 3 years until he's finally had all theeth.And I don't even know if it's his teeth bugging him.<br><br>
Thanks.
 

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this sounds a lot like how my first was. His cry was very shrill and desperate, so I nursed him to keep him content as best as I could. He nursed for 3-4 hours at a time until he was about 14 months old. woke crying to nurse every 20 minutes. it was really hard..really really hard but you know this and understand. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> for you mama, it's a tough path to be on. What happened for us was I went into kind of a mama/nursing coma.. I jsut dealt with him and only him for months and by the time he was 19 months we tried nightweaning since I was pregnant with #2. he was sleeping through the night after three nights. I got him to stand up to nurse in the night, while I sat on the ottoman that came with our glider. I never denied him nursing in the night, he just suddenly realized that it was a lot of work to be nursing all night and learned that sleeping was way better <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I thought I had died and gone to heaven, it was so nice to sleep again, all night long..it was short lived since ds2 came along not long after that, but it was glorious! he went to bed at about 7 pm and slept until 7 or 8 am. no naps though, those stopped before he turned 2 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: but hey, on a full night of sleep I can handle anything these kids throw at me.<br><br>
It will get better, I promise. How old is he now? do you vax? we do not vax anymore, it wasn't until ds1 was about 10 months old that I was able to correlate his sleep disruptance to the vax he got at 2, 4 and 6 months. getting progressively worse each time. After his 6 months shots i thought I was going to die from sleep deprivation, it didn't even begin to get better until he was 9 months old, and after that it was very gradual but it did get better.<br>
Another thing, I don't want to freak you out, but this same child was diagnosed with cancer at age 2. it was a very painful cancer in his kidney called Wilms'. they told us it was a very fast growing cancer and that it was probably only active for about 6 months so the problems he had as an infant were likely not related, but I am not so sure. His cry was so distinct, he scared my mom who is tough as nails when he would cry.. it was not a normal cry.. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">this sounds a lot like how my first was. His cry was very shrill and desperate, so I nursed him to keep him content as best as I could. He nursed for 3-4 hours at a time until he was about 14 months old. woke crying to nurse every 20 minutes. it was really hard..really really hard but you know this and understand. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> for you mama, it's a tough path to be on. What happened for us was I went into kind of a mama/nursing coma.. I jsut dealt with him and only him for months and by the time he was 19 months we tried nightweaning since I was pregnant with #2. he was sleeping through the night after three nights. I got him to stand up to nurse in the night, while I sat on the ottoman that came with our glider. I never denied him nursing in the night, he just suddenly realized that it was a lot of work to be nursing all night and learned that sleeping was way better <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I thought I had died and gone to heaven, it was so nice to sleep again, all night long..it was short lived since ds2 came along not long after that, but it was glorious! he went to bed at about 7 pm and slept until 7 or 8 am. no naps though, those stopped before he turned 2 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: but hey, on a full night of sleep I can handle anything these kids throw at me.<br><br>
It will get better, I promise. How old is he now? do you vax? we do not vax anymore, it wasn't until ds1 was about 10 months old that I was able to correlate his sleep disruptance to the vax he got at 2, 4 and 6 months. getting progressively worse each time. After his 6 months shots i thought I was going to die from sleep deprivation, it didn't even begin to get better until he was 9 months old, and after that it was very gradual but it did get better.<br>
Another thing, I don't want to freak you out, but this same child was diagnosed with cancer at age 2. it was a very painful cancer in his kidney called Wilms'. they told us it was a very fast growing cancer and that it was probably only active for about 6 months so the problems he had as an infant were likely not related, but I am not so sure. His cry was so distinct, he scared my mom who is tough as nails when he would cry.. it was not a normal cry.. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:</div>
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Yeah, my mum was here for 3 weeks and boy, his cry can pierce the biggest piece of glass. He sounds like the poster child for William Sears "high-need baby", you honestly would think I am slaughtering my child alive the way he screams. My mum was pretty horrified by his scream as well and also by HOW creative she had to be to get him to be somewhat content. Not your average "easy" baby. She even said that honestly, if I would have been like that she would not have had the guts for a second baby.<br>
He can go from smiling to screaming his head off in a quarter second.<br><br>
He had never been vaxed, not even the Vit K shot, so I really cannot relate it to any toxins.<br>
He started out as a lighweight of 5 pounds 13 ounces and had some serious body temp and blood sugar issues which resolved after about a week, he had to be hospitalized, no amount of breastmilk kept the bloodsugar stable.<br><br>
I also remember having to nurse around the clock, day and night. When I hear someone complaining "oh, growth spurt, he wants to nurse every 2 hours", I just grin and say nothing.<br><br>
We did have a head-to-toe ultrasound on him (including kidneys) just to see if anything is out of the ordinary. Did an upper GI to figure out if the reflux is causing this- but it's only a mild case, the've seen a lot worse than that.<br><br>
It rough but hey you guys know that.<br><br>
I just really can't see how we even manage to get him a sibling- since there simply is no way I am getting pregnant with Nr. 2 while Nr.1 wakes up every 20 minutes- besides, it is really difficult to even get pregnant with such interruptions.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy"><br><br>
I am just absolutely at my wit's end, Hubby sleeps on the Futon most of the time since boy wonder sleeps even worse when my DH is in the bed...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:<br>
Just feel bad all the way around.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> Honestly that just sounds terrible. You've tried much of what I'd suggest.<br><br>
My one thought, especially with the info in your last post, is have you investigated the possibility of a metabolic issue. Something sounds *wrong* Not that a metabolic issue is easy to pinpoint or treat, but that is what your details lead me to wonder about.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
Wish I had more.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> Honestly that just sounds terrible. You've tried much of what I'd suggest.<br><br>
My one thought, especially with the info in your last post, is have you investigated the possibility of a metabolic issue. Something sounds *wrong* Not that a metabolic issue is easy to pinpoint or treat, but that is what your details lead me to wonder about.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
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Anything in particular you could think of?? We also had some extensive bloodwork done, thyroids in particular. Blood sugar was always fine after the first week of his life. Slight anemia, but nothing big, the Ped GI wasn't even concerned with the iron levels.<br><br>
Although it always was exhausting to me to nurse at least once an hour, I just did it- he just slowed down a bit after 7 months, now he can go 2 hours, on the road and distracted even longer.<br><br>
We just absolutely cannot find anything that's *wrong* with him- which is a good thing but then also it would be easier to at least have some kind of definite info on what's wrong.
 

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Sadly I would say it would be something obscure and probably difficult to pin down. I would try to journal any issues. Better sleeping, worse sleeping, other foods if he's eating solids.<br><br>
I really wish I had better advice, it just sounds like something is off. Perhaps it's teething? If so then at least at SOME point things will improve....<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
good luck.<br><br>
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I'm wondering if he has sensory issues? did you ever swaddle him when he was little? did that help? I've heard of kids who need pressure applied to their bodies to sort of slow down their touch receptors and make them less irritable to what would normally be tolerable or pleasant for an average child. He may just be overstimulated by regular activity around him, and unable to process it so he responds by screaming.<br>
some things to try...<br>
deep massage with lots of pressure<br>
push on the bottoms of his feet and see if he will push back. that could be satisfying for him, do the same with his hands<br>
throw couch cushions on the floor and see if he'd like to climb /under them<br>
wrap him in a blanket and hold him tightly<br><br>
I'll keep thinking for you, something has got to help
 

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That's what I was thinking. A lot of kids with sensory issues have a hard time sleeping, and can seem to get very upset over nothing big during the day, since they can't process that sensory information. <a href="http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/SPD-symptom-checklist-for-infants-and-toddlers.html" target="_blank">This site</a> has a checklist which lists symptoms of sensory issues. Take a look, and see if it sounds like your little one. If it does, some home exercises or OT could help.<br><br>
If you want more info on metabolic, sensory or other issues, a lot of Mamas over in the Special Needs forum know a lot about all that.
 

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just wanted to let you know that i'm in a similar situation so all i can give you are big hugs.<br><br>
my ds is 13 months - still no teeth, we co-sleep and still wake up often - like every hour or so. i thought it was teething at 3 months and it could be, but we've tried everything - he wears an amber necklace, we EC, did the elimination diet, tried many of the no cry sleep solutions, he hated swaddling, etc. lots of people say, oh it's developmental milestones, oh it's growth spurts...yeah, right - it's just the way he is....good thing he's cute or he'd be in trouble, LOL!<br><br>
one saving grace is that he sometimes takes a pacifier (only at night) - it helped in the early months - i gave in and offered it to him at 3 months and that helped at least get a break from the constant suckling...however, he started to refuse it at 7 months, then again at 10 months...i still try and get him to take it even now and most of the time he just throws it and justs wants to suckle on me.<br><br>
apparently whatever i'm doing isn't working so i've been toying around with nightweaning, quitting night EC and am considering maybe even turning to disposables...ack!<br><br>
really the only thing getting me through is trusting that it will get better at some point...lots of mamas have been through this - even with these extreme nightwakers, and somehow they managed...so we will too, right?!<br><br>
Hang in there mama! HUGS!<br>
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I totally feel your pain--and it will get better! My experience:<br><br>
Birth-4.5 months: slept fine.<br><br>
4.5 months-about a year old: sleep went completely to hell. We went crazy trying different things to get her to sleep. In the end, we kept cosleeping and nursing through the night and trying to stay sane. This was a VERY difficult time. We charted sleep patterns, tried her crib, played music, swaddled, changed the schedule, etc, etc.<br><br>
12ish months-15 months: Things are gradually improving, but not because of anything we do. DD got her first tooth at 13.5 months, which didn't disturb her sleep nearly as much as we were afraid it might.<br><br>
15 months: Tried nightweaning (Jay Gordon's method), which worked ok, but not as well as I had hoped.<br><br>
16 months: Moved dd to her own bed (a mattress on the floor) in her own room. Bedtime is easier for me because I can leave her safely in her bed (Our bed was too high to leave her there alone). She wakes up 1-3 times a night now, which we are all content with.<br><br>
My point is that nothing we did to try to improve our sleep situation did a damn thing. The only thing that helped was time. Surprisingly, teething has been pretty easy to deal with. It's been pretty obvious when that's the problem, and dd responds pretty well to teething tablets if I remember to give them to her every few hours. She only has 3 teeth, though (and 2 more any day now!). Now she is 18 months and we are all at peace with the sleeping situation, and have been for a few months. A year ago I NEVER would have thought I'd be the one posting here that sleeping does improve someday. My advice to you is to find some way to live with this situation, because you probably aren't going to be able to change it. Do what it takes to keep your energy and attitude up. Take naps. Get a massage. And try to be patient (easier said than done, I know!).
 

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While trying everything else...have you tried painkiller (just in case it's the teeth?) maybe some Motrin (easier on the liver)?<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 
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