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Hey mamas struggling with low milk supply!<br>
I feel for you!<br>
I'm doing a quick poll to find out more info about the habits of mamas, and their babies who end up with a low supply.<br><br>
This is NEVER meant to point fingers, only to get an idea of what mamas went and are going thru, and only to help other mama inthe long run. Please answer honestly, and if something upsets you just ignore it, ok? You are all the BEST mamas inthe world for nursing your babies, even if you only managed to get a few drops in there at a time!!! Nursing is ever so much more than the milk, it's the love!<br><br>
I will use this info to help other mamas out and hopefully spare some of them from this fate if possible.<br><br>
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!<br><br>
Please answer the following questions, and feel free to add anything on to your reply which may help explain your situation, or maybe you've been wondering might have contributed.<br><ol style="list-style-type:decimal;"><li>Used Pacifier</li>
<li>Bottles given soon after birth</li>
<li>C-section</li>
<li>drugs used in childbirth</li>
<li>Baby was born premature or you were induced</li>
<li>Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"</li>
<li>limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)</li>
<li>When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)</li>
<li>You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it</li>
<li>Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"</li>
<li>Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other</li>
<li>you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)</li>
<li>You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there</li>
<li>You have never attended a La Leche League meeting</li>
<li>You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)</li>
<li>You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it</li>
<li>Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed</li>
<li>You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"</li>
<li>You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier</li>
<li>You were very embarrassed to nurse in public</li>
<li>You never nursed in public</li>
<li>Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.</li>
<li>Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly</li>
<li>You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples</li>
<li>When you did ask for help from Docs, LC's or other professionals, you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)</li>
<li>Were pretty much alone after a few days or weeks after birth without help, and expected to do all the childcare and housework.</li>
<li>You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up</li>
<li>This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)</li>
<li>You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)</li>
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Please answer the following questions, and feel free to add anything on to your reply which may help explain your situation, or maybe you've been wondering might have contributed.<br><ol style="list-style-type:decimal;"><li>Used Pacifier<br>
Yes, after DS #1 was dx'd with GERD -- it helped tremendously</li>
<li>Bottles given soon after birth<br>
No, not for several weeks. Not until after was dx'd with >10% weight losst, then we used SNS & finger feeding for severl weeks.</li>
<li>C-section<br>
Yes</li>
<li>drugs used in childbirth<br>
Yes, the epidural did not work, and they gave me morphine & Versed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></li>
<li>Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"<br>
Only a bit, and I ignored them <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"></li>
<li>limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)<br>
No, one or the other was on almost all the time.</li>
<li>When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)<br>
No, see above.</li>
<li>You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it<br>
Yes, but only after 5 days and after low supply had already begun.</li>
<li>Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"<br>
No.</li>
<li>Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br>
Yes, both lost >10% birth weight.</li>
<li>you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)<br>
Yes.</li>
<li>You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there<br>
I saw LCs in the hospital but they were absolutely useless. They briefly looked at me nursing one child, filled out paperwork, then left <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></li>
<li>You have never attended a La Leche League meeting<br>
Never attended. Didn't know to before, no time after birth.</li>
<li>You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)<br>
I've seen nursing all my life.</li>
<li>You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it<br>
I read quite a bit.</li>
<li>Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed<br>
Yes, I didn't know I should cosleep (my mainstream bfing books didn't really go into it) and my family was totally against cosleeping (including DH).</li>
<li>You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"<br>
No.</li>
<li>You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier<br>
No.</li>
<li>You were very embarrassed to nurse in public<br>
No.</li>
<li>You never nursed in public<br>
No, I did as soon as I left the house (which was a while)</li>
<li>Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.<br>
No.</li>
<li>Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly<br>
No.</li>
<li>You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples<br>
Not prior to birth, but shortly after by LC. I think they were a bit flat because they popped out after I started to pump (worthless LC).</li>
<li>When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)<br>
What kind of "help", do you mean LCs or family/household help? I had a fair amount of household help.</li>
<li>You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up<br>
Eventually yes I found out about them. Had to go to the internet to find out the straight scoop, nobody told me anything else.</li>
<li>This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)<br>
No first birth.</li>
</ol><br><br>
You need to ask about other conditions too, like breast reduction or hormonal problems or premature babies. I only have one breast with two babies, that is most of my low supply problem, but I might have had problems too given my other risk factors (my milk didn't even come in till day 5 or 6, due to c-section and severely jaundiced babies.) I should have been pumping between wrestling sleepy babies who didn't want to nurse but nobody told me to. I asked for a pump several times during my 5 day hospital stay, my DH had to go to an outside rental agency to get one and nobody showed me how to use it or why I should used it in the very beginning :mad
 

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Gladly. This is by far the hardest thing I've had to go through so far in my parenting experiences.<br><br>
1. Used Pacifier: Very, very little. She wasn't really that into it, she was much happier at the breast even if she wasn't eating, so that's what we did whenever possible. She quit using it even the little bit before 6 mos.<br>
2. Bottles given soon after birth: No. Had a few of EBM after 2-3 mos old. Very little bottle use until much older.<br>
3. C-section: no.<br>
4. drugs used in childbirth: Had a very long labor- I did have an epidural, however I will also note that my supply problems didn't happen until at least 3 mos after birth. Had a little bit of pitocin, not to start labor though.<br>
5. Baby was born premature or you were induced: neither.<br>
6. Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break": No.<br>
7. limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go): No. We nursed constantly.<br>
8. When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long): no.<br>
9. You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it: no.<br>
10. Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case": nope! I got rid of the samples that were somehow sent to me because I did NOT want them around!<br>
11. Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other: Eventually. DD didn't gain any weight (and actually lost a little bit) from 3 mos until almost 10 mos when she finally put on a few pounds (after we started supplementing... though I put the doctor off on that for a long time).<br>
12. you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!): No. Certainly not any more than normal, anyway.<br>
13. You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there: No - my biggest regret. I have some big social anxiety issues so it had something to do with that.<br>
14. You have never attended a La Leche League meeting: I did go, and they had lots of great ideas.<br>
15. You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives): I did. And it makes me happy <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
16. You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it: I own books on BFing. I did most of my reading on the 'net, though.<br>
17. Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed: slept with me, attached to breast all night.<br>
18. You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours": absolutely not! nursed on cue... we would literally be stuck on the couch all day (I'm talking well past newborn stage... even at 9 mos). didn't realise this was abnormal for the longest time.<br>
19. You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier: No, I didn't mind that. Never really thought of it that way, anyway.<br>
20. You were very embarrassed to nurse in public: Nope! didn't mind that either.<br>
21. You never nursed in public: I did all the time. That was the only way we could go out. There wasn't much of a choice there.<br>
22. Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break: After she didn't gain weight for a long time, I did get some comments to give her formula. For the most part though, people were pretty good about it.<br>
23. Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly: nope.<br>
24. You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples: nope, but I definately don't.<br>
25. When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min): No real problems there.<br>
26. You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up: I've taken all kinds of herbs: pills & tinctures, they didn't work. Currently on domperidone, have been for a number of months.<br>
27. This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib): Nope - only have one child.<br>
28. You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc): Not that I know of.<br><br>
I was (regretably) on Paxil from ~15 weeks pregnant until about 5 mos post-partum. My supply seemed fine in the beginning... was leaking quite a bit, required breast pads, would be very full on the occaision I went several hours w/o nursing (usually just to sleep 3 hours at a time), etc... after about 3 mos I think is when it went drastically downhill. Don't know that the Paxil could have affected this since I didn't stop it until after that point, and I would think that if being on it would affect me at all, I would have noticed it from the beginning. Nor have I heard of Paxil affecting supply. Still worth mentioning, though.<br><br>
Other than that, I have no idea why my supply went so far south. My daughter was literally nursing ALL the time... and not gaining a single ounce for months. She couldn't sleep at night. It was horrible. The last thing I ever wanted to do was use formula, but as soon as we started supplementing and I found the domperidone, she was far happier, slept better, started changing in positive ways. I think it even affected her development. She seemed to stay the same for so long, was definately delayed in crawling, pulling herself up, etc... and now at 13.5 mos she's still not very close to walking. Her weight has finally started to catch up a bit, but in terms of development, she's still catching up. I hate the fact that we have to supplement, but at the same time I should have probably done it sooner. She was miserable. I just didn't know how to recognise what was going on, and wanted to avoid formula so bad that I think it actually clouded my judgement.<br><br>
Yet another reason why I think there should be a low-supply sub-forum on MDC, in case the powers-at-be are reading this. I would have helped me and my child out immensely.<br><br>
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1. Used Pacifier<br><b>Yes, but at first it was only to help baby latch. I was really reluctant at first, but my LC suggested it to get baby used to not keeping her tongue at the roof of her mouth. Amazingly, it did help a lot!</b><br><br>
2. Bottles given soon after birth<br><b>None.</b><br><br>
3. C-section<br><b>Yes, unfortunately. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></b><br><br>
4. drugs used in childbirth<br><b>Yes, the anesthesia, and then painkillers for another week or so.</b><br><br>
5. Baby was born premature or you were induced<br><b>No.</b><br><br>
6. Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"<br><b>No.</b><br><br>
7. limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)<br><b>No.</b><br>
8. When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)<br><b>I really tried to nurse her as soon as she started sucking hands and before crying. Not always successful, but the majority of the time I was.</b><br><br>
9. You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it<br><b>Yes. In my case, my symptoms didn't start until after I'd gone back to work and my supply was suffering.</b><br><br>
10. Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"<br><b>No. Well, I did have formula but it was only what the hospital gave me as samples. I never intended to use it myself, and I didn't. I only kept it so I could give it to a food pantry, so I was never in a "just in case" mentality.</b><br><br>
11. Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br><b>Nope. I had doctors, nurses and LCs who were very pro-bfing, even through all of our latch problems early on. Them showing me how to pump and syring feed was instrumental in keeping DD off bottles and formula.</b><br><br>
12. you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)<br><b>I felt overwhelmed, sure, but not "very". I'm a relaxed kind of person and didn't have too much of a time just going with the flow.</b><br><br>
13. You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there<br><b>I saw 4 LCs in the hospital, but none after I was discharged. I was in the hospital 4 days, though, so I did get a lot of help.</b><br><br>
14. You have never attended a La Leche League meeting<br><b>No, but I'd like to. When I was home on maternity leave I was still too sore from the C-section to make it out of the house. After that, I was back to work and can't make the meetings because they occur while I'm work.</b><br><br>
15. You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)<br><b>I have one friend who nursed and saw her doing it a few times. But overall, I'd say my mom and MIL were my biggest influence because they nursed all their kids. I remember watching my mom nurse my brother when he was little.</b><br><br>
16. You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it<br><b>I owned a little book put out by the AAP that I got for free. I read the thing cover to cover many times. And while it probably wasn't as good as some other books, it was enough to get me started and keep me on track.</b><br><br>
17. Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed<br><b>Baby slept in the Pack N Play in our room for some of the night, and in our bed some of the night. DH didn't feel comfortable with her in our bed until she was a little bigger.</b><br><br>
18. You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"<br><b>Nope. Just nursed baby whenever she indicated she wanted to.</b><br><br>
19. You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier<br><b>Honestly, the thought never crossed my mind until I heard other people commenting on it. And even then, the thought never bothered me.</b><br><br>
20. You were very embarrassed to nurse in public<br><b>No. I felt a little awkward, but never embarrassed.</b><br><br>
21. You never nursed in public<br><b>I always NIP when we're out and about and DD is hungry.</b><br><br>
22. Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.<br><br><b>No. I was clear from the beginning that feeding baby was my job. When relatives and DH wanted to give me a break, I told them they could change baby's diapers and carry her when she was colicky. But even if I was sleeping, they should always wake me when she was hungry.</b><br><br>
23. Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly<br><b>N/A. Baby was not tongue-tied.</b><br><br>
24. You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples<br><b>No. But I did have a doula help me BF in the recovery room and noted that my nipples were definitely not flat or inverted.</b><br><br><br>
25. When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)<br><b>DH was great at helping. He supported me in everything I needed to do, especially the pumping between feedings thing.</b><br><br>
26. You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up<br><b>Yes. I tried Fenugreek, Goat's Rue, and all the other standard herbs. They didn't really help. I tried a round of Reglan which did help a lot, but I started developing PPD so I stopped it. Then I started Domperidone which also worked well. I'm still taking the Domperidone now and will continue until after DD weans.</b><br><br>
27. This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)<br><b>N/A. DD is my first.</b><br><br>
28. You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)<br><b>Unfortunately, yes. I have PCOS and believe this to be the major cause of my low supply.</b>
 

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I'll preface this by saying that my initial VERY low supply was likely the result of going back to work shortly after dd's birth. Since leaving my job, I have had fewer problems bf'ing. I don't have a huge supply, but it seems to be adequate now (although pumping is hard and I sometimes don't get enough to feed her when I need to leave for a few hours). The first two months, however, we really struggled.<br><br>
[*]Used Pacifier<br><br>
Ocassionally, but not often.<br><br>
[*]Bottles given soon after birth<br><br>
Yes, I had NO milk for a week or so and baby was VERY hungry. Thr nurse in the hospital where she was born gave her formula until my milk came in <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
[*]C-section<br><br>
No<br><br>
[*]drugs used in childbirth<br><br>
Picotin to induce, then a general anasthesia (sp?) AFTER the birth to sew up the epsiostomy (sp?). No drugs during labor.<br><br>
[*] Baby was born premature or you were induced<br><br>
Induced<br><br>
[*]Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"<br><br>
no<br><br>
[*]limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)<br><br>
no<br><br>
[*]When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)<br><br>
no<br><br>
[*]You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it<br><br>
no<br><br>
[*]Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"<br><br>
yes<br><br>
[*]Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br><br>
Yes (as described above)<br><br>
[*]you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)<br><br>
of course!<br><br>
[*]You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there<br><br>
Never have (they don't have them in the country where dd was born)<br><br>
[*]You have never attended a La Leche League meeting<br><br>
Same as LC<br><br>
[*]You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)<br><br><br>
Never have<br><br>
[*]You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it<br><br>
Don't own one<br><br><br>
[*]Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed<br><br>
Nope, she sleeps with us<br><br>
[*]You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"<br><br>
No, we nurse on demand<br><br>
[*]You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier<br><br>
No, doesn't bother me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
[*]You were very embarrassed to nurse in public<br><br>
Not really<br><br>
[*]You never nursed in public<br><br>
I have a few times<br><br>
[*]Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.<br><br>
Yes<br><br>
[*]Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly<br><br>
no<br><br>
[*]You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples<br><br>
no<br><br>
[*]When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)<br><br>
no<br><br>
[*]You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up<br><br>
Yes, drank lactation tea, took 2 kinds of lactation tablets, etc. But not anymore.<br><br>
[*]This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)<br><br>
This is my first<br><br>
[*]You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)<br><br>
Nope
 

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<ol style="list-style-type:decimal;"><li>Used Pacifier<br>
NO</li>
<li>Bottles given soon after birth<br>
NO</li>
<li>C-section<br>
NO</li>
<li>drugs used in childbirth<br>
NO</li>
<li>Baby was born premature or you were induced<br>
NO</li>
<li>Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"<br>
NO</li>
<li>limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)<br>
GENERALLY NO, BUT OCCASIONALLY</li>
<li>When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)<br>
GENERALLY NO, BUT IN RETROSPECT, MORE OFTEN THAN I REALIZED</li>
<li>You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it<br>
NO</li>
<li>Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"<br>
NO</li>
<li>Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br>
YES, BECAUSE OUR SON WAS VERY UNDERWEIGHT AT AGE 4.5 MONTHS AND THEY WERE CONCERNED FOR HIS HEALTH AND WELL-BEING DESPITE HIS ALERTNESS AND ACTIVENESS</li>
<li>you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)<br>
NO</li>
<li>You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there<br>
I AM TRAINED AS A POSTPARTUM DOULA AND DID SEE AN LC WHEN THE PROBLEM BECAME APPARENT.</li>
<li>You have never attended a La Leche League meeting<br>
NO. I ATTENDED REGULARLY DURING THE END OF PREGNANCY AND STILL ATTEND NOW.</li>
<li>You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)<br>
NO. I OFTEN SEE BREASTFEEDING GOING ON.</li>
<li>You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it<br>
NO. I OWN MANY BREASTFEEDING BOOKS AND HAVE READ MOST OF THEM.</li>
<li>Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed<br>
NO</li>
<li>You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"<br>
NO</li>
<li>You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier<br>
NO</li>
<li>You were very embarrassed to nurse in public<br>
NO</li>
<li>You never nursed in public<br>
NO. I NURSED WHENEVER OUR SON NEEDED TO, BE IT IN PUBLIC OR ELSEWHERE.</li>
<li>Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.<br>
NO</li>
<li>Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly<br>
NO</li>
<li>You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples<br>
NO. I HAD NO REASON TO SUSPECT NIPPLE ABNORMALITIES.</li>
<li>When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)<br>
NO. I WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO PRESERVE THE BREASTFEEDING RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR SON.</li>
<li>You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up<br>
YES (FENUGREEK, MORE MILK PLUS TINCTURE, DOMPERIDONE)</li>
<li>This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)<br>
N/A</li>
<li>You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)<br>
NO</li>
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The way you worded some of your statements was unclear so I clarified my "yes" or "no" in some cases to make it clear what I did. Please feel free to contact me via PM if you need any more clarifications.
 

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Used Pacifier - no<br>
Bottles given soon after birth - no<br>
C-section - no<br>
drugs used in childbirth - no<br>
Baby was born premature or you were induced - no<br>
Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break" - no<br>
limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go) - no<br>
When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long) - no<br>
You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it - no<br>
Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case" - no<br>
Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br>
you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!) - yes, baby was jaundiced, sleepy, dehydrated, losing too much weight, not pooping to get out the jaundice, my milk had not yet come in<br>
You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there - no<br>
You have never attended a La Leche League meeting - no<br>
You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives) - yes<br>
You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it - no<br>
Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed - no<br>
You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours" - no<br>
You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier - no<br>
You were very embarrassed to nurse in public - yes but i did anyway<br>
You never nursed in public - no<br>
Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break. - no<br>
Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly - no<br>
You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples -yes<br>
When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min) - no<br>
You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up -yes<br>
This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib) - no<br>
You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc) - suspected hormone problem
 

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Be glad to answer, but I will have to think back since my youngest is 5 1/2 now, so my memory may be a liitle fuzzy in parts.<br><br><br>
1. Used Pacifier- 1st birth, yes, was told it would be okay by English midwife/lc; 2nd birth, no, not till after he was on full supplement.<br>
2. Bottles given soon after birth- both, no.<br>
3. C-section- both, no.<br>
4. drugs used in childbirth- 1st (hospital transfer from home) gas, pethidine, epidural; 2nd (home) no<br>
5. Baby was born premature or you were induced- both no.<br>
6. Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"- yes, to a certain extent.<br>
7. limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)- no, both nursed at each breast as long as they wanted.<br>
8. When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)- 1st, the midwife suggested scheduling feeds, which I tried until 3 weeks. Fortunately another midwife picked up on a problem, by which time dd had lost about 15% of her birth weight. From that time on, until she was fully weaned to a bottle at 6 months, we nursed constantly. 2nd, was nursed continuously from birth (except for the rare periods when he slept without the boob in his mouth)<br>
9. You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it- yes, I think it's likely. I don't think about it too much.<br>
10. Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"- nope.<br>
11. Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other- yes. 1st, due to failure to thrive. 2nd, I made the decision myself to start supplementing when he bottomed out on the weight chart at about 4 mos. & was starting to get that gaunt FTT look.<br>
12. you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)- Yup. My first was the worst tho.<br>
13. You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there- Could not afford an LC with my first (one did come to see me once, for free), & was pressured by my DH not to consult one during my second. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> However, I did have support & encouragement from a very experienced (& good!) midwife friend. I had a <i>much</i> better support network for my second child.<br>
14. You have never attended a La Leche League meeting- nope.<br>
15. You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)- no, had plenty of positive images.<br>
16. You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it- with my first child, I just thought if I read the advice in the birthing books, it would all just happen naturally. Ha. With my second, I was much better prepared in terms of reading, planning, & recognising early warning signals of low-supply. And I was able to fully bf him for longer than his sister.<br>
17. Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed- nope. In the bed, on the boob, sucking, all night long.<br>
18. You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"- 1st, yep (see above) 2nd, nope.<br>
19. You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier- I was a human pacificer. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
20. You were very embarrassed to nurse in public- nope.<br>
21. You never nursed in public- I constantly nursed in public. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
22. Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.- I don't actually remember having much in the way of sore nipples. The pressure came to give a bottle when we were having major difficulties ie. ftt & sick baby in hospital.<br>
23. Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly- nope.<br>
24. You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples- yes.<br>
25. When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)- I did get a fair bit of informal help, but nothing seemed to work. Dh could have been more emotionally helpful, tbh, but that was just something I had to deal with.<br>
26. You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up- 1st, no, I didn't know about them. 2nd, yes, but I only knew about the herbs.<br>
27. This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)- I don't quite know how to answer this one. I was unable to fully breastfeed both of my children, despite trying a range of different tactics to combat low-supply for a total of 12 months. I don't know why it happened to me, perhaps the magic bullet lay in one of the things I didn't try. I guess I still feel very frustrated over the whole thing, I felt like surely, with all that effort, <i>something</i> had to work eventually. But it never did for me, & I've kind of resigned myself to the idea that I will probably never know why. c'est la vie.<br>
28. You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)- No.<br><br>
hth. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<ol style="list-style-type:decimal;"><li>Used Pacifier<br><br>
Not at first. I don't like them at all. But like a previous poster said, when DD was about 4 weeks, an LC suggested it. Part of a "last ditch effort" to avoid formula supplementation, I'll write about later.<br><br></li>
<li>Bottles given soon after birth<br><br>
Soon - no. About 5-6 weeks later, yes.<br><br></li>
<li>C-section<br><br>
No.<br><br></li>
<li>drugs used in childbirth<br><br>
Pitocin to induce (due to pre-eclampsia). I also received a "half dose" of stadol (sp?) to manage some of the pain, but that was it.<br><br></li>
<li>Baby was born premature or you were induced<br><br>
Induced due to pre-eclampsia at 35 weeks.<br><br></li>
<li>Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"<br><br>
Often.<br><br></li>
<li>limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)<br><br>
Only at about 4 weeks. The peds/LC's/and my ob/gyn were trying to figure out why she wasn't gaining weight, but losing fast. One suggestion was to try limiting her time at the breast b/c perhaps she was putting so much energy into nursing that she was burning up the calories faster than she could get them in. So I'd "time" her nursing sessions, then follow with a bottle. Again, this was after everything else they could think of had been tried.<br><br><br></li>
<li>When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)<br><br>
Absolutely not. Very early on, one of the pediatricians said that when a baby needs to be supplemented their biggest concern is the mother's milk supply. He suggested that I nurse OFTEN, as often as every hour and way BEFORE I saw hunger cues. All the advice I got was to feed the baby even if she wasn't acting hungry and even if I had to wake her up.<br><br><br></li>
<li>You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it<br><br>
It was really bad this time. I'm still on zoloft. I think the nursing problems compounded the issue. If nursing had gone as smoothly as I'd planned, I'm not sure I'd have PPD.<br><br><br></li>
<li>Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"<br><br>
Formula - yes. Bottles - no. I did have 2 SNS's and a finger-feeder, though.<br><br><br></li>
<li>Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br><br>
Only after DD kept losing...and losing...and losing...only after 3 LLL Leaders and a doula all said they were concerned for her health and I had to supplement!<br><br></li>
<li>you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)<br><br>
With this one in particular. The other two were so much older and we were into such a good groove/routine, I feel like this one really put us out of whack!<br><br></li>
<li>You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there<br><br>
Oh, I've seen plenty of LC's!!!<br><br></li>
<li>You have never attended a La Leche League meeting<br><br>
Love LLL meetings, love the leaders, got great support & help!<br><br></li>
<li>You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)<br><br>
Saw lots of moms nursing (with ease) and wanted to be them!<br><br></li>
<li>You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it<br><br>
I own several and over-educated myself via the internet (I'd had a failed nursing relationship with my first DD and was DETERMINED not to have the same problems this time...)<br><br></li>
<li>Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed<br><br>
About 50/50 - bassinet right next to my bed (I mean within a foot) and also co-slept.<br><br></li>
<li>You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"<br><br>
Again, at some point, as a last ditch effort, we practiced the 2 hour rule to see if she'd gain weight and get stronger at the breast. It didn't help. Prior to that it was 24/7 nursing. One ped. asked once if she was nursing 20-30 minutes every 2-3 hours. I said, "no she nurses 2-3 hours every 20-30 minutes."<br><br></li>
<li>You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier<br><br>
I welcome it!<br><br></li>
<li>You were very embarrassed to nurse in public<br><br>
Hey...I'll put it all out there. If my baby is hungry, she needs to eat.<br><br></li>
<li>You never nursed in public<br><br>
Wherever/whenever<br><br></li>
<li>Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.<br><br>
My mom and MIL encouraged bottles - not to give myself a break but because they wanted to feed the baby. My DH told me to do what felt right and he'd support me no matter what. I came very close to switching to bottles, but I know own 4 full-sized SNS's and one starter SNS.<br><br></li>
<li>Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly<br><br>
Checked, but not necessary<br><br></li>
<li>You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples<br><br>
Checked - nothing flat or inverted here.<br><br></li>
<li>When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)<br><br>
I got help. I did feel like it was hard, though.<br><br></li>
<li>You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up<br><br>
LOL...what HAVEN'T I tried...? I've tried some combination or another at any given time - domperidone, reglan, fenugreek, More Milk Plus, More Milk Special Blend, Metformin, Goat's Rue, Mother's Milk Tea, Wedela Nursing Tea, Fenugreek Tea, Alfalfa, Marshmallow, Blessed Thistle, Oatmeal, Wheatgrass, SuperGreens, Barley...I'm sure I'm leaving a few out...<br><br></li>
<li>This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)<br><br>
I formula fed my first (by choice). Had problems with my second. Thought I knew what I'd done wrong with my second. Determined not to make the same mistakes again with my 3rd. Nursing still didn't go as planned. Very fortunate to have BF'ing friends peds, ob/gyn, LC's and good friends and LLL.<br><br></li>
<li>You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)<br><br>
Yes!!! I have PCOS symptoms, but my real problem is estrogen overload...I'm a walking estrogen machine. The levels are off the charts. Estrogen suppresses prolactin. My prolactin levels are so low, it's as if I've never been pregnant, let alone given birth. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></li>
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With the help of an SNS, I've been able to keep her at the breast for every feeding...except I can count the number of bottles she's had on one hand. We did do some finger-feeding as well in the beginning.
 

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1. Used Pacifier--DS was given a paci by the NICU nurses b/c he was NPO (not allowed to eat) for several days. I allowed this to make him more comfortable. At home he didn't take one (though DH did try...)<br>
2. Bottles given soon after birth--he was given colostrum by bottle starting on day 3. I attempted to BF but he would not latch until 10 days and then sporadically until about 6-8 weeks<br>
3. C-section--nope but did have vacuum w/vaginal birth<br>
4. drugs used in childbirth--yes, epidural<br>
5. Baby was born premature or you were induced--neither but baby had severe congenital heart defect and was in NICU for 3 weeks, 2 surgeries at 2 weeks & 3 months<br>
6. Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"--no, though I did get "maybe you should consider stopping" from some people who saw how much anxiety BF caused for me<br>
7. limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)--had to b/c of heart condition, no more than 20 min 3x a day (per doctor's orders)<br>
8. When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)--no<br>
9. You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it--yes<br>
10. Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"--no<br>
11. Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other--yes, for weight gain and to prevent even slight dehydration which would have been very dangerous for his particular heart condition<br>
12. you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)--absolutely. Baby could have died at any moment, who wouldn't feel overwhelmed by that???<br>
13. You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there--I saw many, and often.<br>
14. You have never attended a La Leche League meeting--at the time I did not, as I couldn't expose him to other kids (possibility of illness postponing surgery)<br>
15. You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)--not really<br>
16. You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it--I owned many<br>
17. Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed--nope, slept with me<br>
18. You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"--no, though we were on a "minimum 3 hours" schedule b/c of the heart condition<br>
19. You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier--again, heart condition prevented this<br>
20. You were very embarrassed to nurse in public--a little<br>
21. You never nursed in public--sometimes, but not until baby was older.<br>
22. Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.--nope<br>
23. Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly--nope<br>
24. You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples--yes<br>
25. When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)--I did all of this, and still never developed enough of a supply to exclusively breastfeed due to our many difficult circumstances.<br>
26. You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up--yes, I tried everything and ended up taking domperidone for a year<br>
27. This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)--I am exclusively BFing my 3 week old right now and have much more help this time (as well as a healthy homebirthed baby who nurses well)<br>
28. You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)--no<br><br>
I know this is just for info, and you sympathize with us, but the wording on some of the questions was kind of accusatory, esp. the one about the BF books one and the one about the 2nd baby "continuing the cycle". If you had worded "did you own any breastfeeding books? If you read any, did you feel you got anything out of them?" is much less "biased", KWIM?? Just my .02. We low supply moms tend to be VERY sensitive about our efforts to breastfeed and as you can see, we have tried any and everything to make it work, and sometimes it still doesn't.
 

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Used Pacifier-- I only started the pacifier after we'd given up nursing, to solve the comfort sucking problem. So this was not a factor.<br><br>
Bottles given soon after birth-- That's the root of our problem, really. She had a terrible latch and nipple confusion because I was bullied by the neonatologist into giving her a bottle. (She was under observation becasue of possible kidney dysfunction and because of a traumatic delivery.)<br><br>
C-section-- Yup. After 27 hours of labor; I had an intrauterine synechia (adhesions from previous surgery) and was told that it likely prevented her from descending.<br><br>
drugs used in childbirth-- only the epidural for the section.<br><br>
Baby was born premature or you were induced-- Not a factor with us.<br><br>
Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"-- No.<br><br>
limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)-- No.<br><br>
When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)-- No<br><br>
You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it-- No<br><br>
Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"-- No.<br><br>
Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other-- Yeah, it was the neonatologist dealing with the kidney thingie<br><br>
you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)-- Oh, yeah. Definitely.<br><br>
You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there-- No.<br><br>
You have never attended a La Leche League meeting-- I only went after DD was completely weaned, because of planning to have another baby.<br><br>
You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)-- Not a problem for us.<br><br>
You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it-- I read tons.<br><br>
Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed-- Yeah, we only started co-sleeping at 2 months old; before that she slept right next to our bed in a cradle.<br><br>
You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"-- No.<br><br>
You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier-- wouldn't bother me!!!<br><br>
You were very embarrassed to nurse in public-- not at all<br>
You never nursed in public-- I did.<br>
Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.-- NO.<br><br>
Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly-- No.<br><br>
You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples-- I knew I didn't so I didn't allow anyone to check.<br><br>
When you did ask for help you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)-- The help I got consisted of "oh, just keep on trying and you'll get it."<br><br>
You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up-- No.<br><br>
This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)-- No.<br><br>
You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)-- No.<br><br>
I blame it on #1 a difficult birth and the suspicion of serious health problems right after birth (which I now know were nothing), a rotten early latch because of nipple confusion, no help at all from professionals who should have now better, and my own unwillingness to keep trying when I was exhausted and overwhelmed.
 

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No to most of those. Yes to these three:<br><br>
You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it. (Yes, but not nearly as bad this time as with my other two babies) Having my MIL out for three weeks was a lifesaver.<br><br>
I've never been to a LLL meeting. Never bothered to look it up.<br><br>
I've been using the More Milk Teas from Yogi Tea or Organic Naturals and it's really helped me this time. Even if just to force me to drink more water.
 

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Thanks for all the replies! All your info will be taken into consideration and although anonymous, will be used to help other women going thru this, or help women to avoid low supply issues at all. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
You are all amazing women and to those that replied, and those that haven't yet, I applaud you!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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Sarah, I'm interested to know what you're planning to do with our replies. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> ANd I'm heartened by your asking these questions, because it means a lot to me that you would take our troubles with breastfeeding seriously. When my first child was born, I had no idea that low-supply even existed. I mean, I knew that wet-nurses have been around for thousands of years or more, but i guess I always thought they were for women who were too posh to put a babe to the breast. So it hit me like a ton of bricks at three weeks postpartum when I started to discover that sometimes, despite the best efforts, a mama just doesn't seem to be able to make enough milk for her bub. Nobody TOLD ME that that was even possible, & I sure never read it anywhere. And I was really angry about that little 'mothers secret' for quite a while... iykwim. So thank you for taking an interest (I'm presuming you are a mama who has never experienced the problem), & for wanting to help out low-supply mamas. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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While I really appreciate the effort to collect info on low supply and to help other women avoid it, I agree with the PP that some of the questions feel accusatory to me. And several of the questions are framed around what mamas "didn't do," which underlies an assumption that low supply mamas could have had a good supply if they had just tried harder.<br><br>
All the low supply mamas I know, myself included, have tried everything under the sun to increase their supply, spending thousands of dollars on LCs, herbs, pharmaceuticals, scale/pump rentals, etc. Sometimes even to the detriment of their relationships with their babies, i.e. pumping instead of holding/playing with them. And, after all these efforts, we have often had to come to terms with the fact that nothing works. It is one of the most devastating experiences in the world to know that you don't produce enough milk for your baby, and it always feels ten times worse when someone assumes you just "didn't do enough."
 

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Used Pacifier <b>not until supp. I think that this is one of the worst, in hindsite, I should have used my boob as the paci, could have made a huge difference?!</b><br>
Bottles given soon after birth <b>3 months</b><br>
C-section<b>no</b><br>
drugs used in childbirth<b>no</b><br>
Baby was born premature or you were induced<b>nope</b><br>
Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"<b>no, well some but I didnt listen, they dont havebabes and think Im weird</b><br>
limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)<b>no</b><br>
When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)<b>no</b><br>
You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it<b>no</b><br>
Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"<b>nope</b><br>
Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br>
you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)<b>nope, never</b>(could you delete the wording after the question, sounds kind of rude (sorry!)<br>
You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there<b>no</b><br>
You have never attended a La Leche League meeting<b>never, I was scared, they dotn relaly advertise and I didnt know where to go</b><br>
You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)<b>no</b><br>
You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it<b>no I had alot lol</b><br>
Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed<b>nope</b><br>
You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"<b>no</b><br>
You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier<b>no</b><br>
You were very embarrassed to nurse in public<b>i was nervous, just with anything you do new</b><br>
You never nursed in public<b>no, I found other places</b><br>
Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.<b>no</b><br>
Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly<b>no</b><br>
You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples<b>yes</b><br>
When you did ask for help from Docs, LC's or other professionals, you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)<b>no</b><br>
Were pretty much alone after a few days or weeks after birth without help, and expected to do all the childcare and housework.<b>yes</b><br>
You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up<br>
This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)<b>no</b><br>
You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)<b>yes</b><br><br><br>
Hope this helps!
 

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I want to answer the last question first: I had breast reduction surgery 5 years ago, and this is the known cause for my low supply.<br><br>
Used Pacifier<br><b>Never, not even once.</b><br><br>
Bottles given soon after birth<br><b>Never, not even one bottle.</b><br><br>
C-section<br><b>no</b><br><br>
drugs used in childbirth<br><b>none; homebirth</b><br><br>
Baby was born premature or you were induced<br><b>neither</b><br><br>
Pressure by friends or family to "give yourself a break"<br><b>yes, but it was ignored</b><br><br>
limited nursing per breast(meaning you popped baby off before they let go)<br><b>occasionally, but not as a habit (usually only once she was already sleeping)</b><br><br>
When baby was nursed it was past the first hunger cues (after they suck fist or lick lips, and baby cries, you've waited too long)<br><b>rarely</b><br><br>
You suffered from Post partum depression, even if you weren't "diagnosed" with it<br><b>no</b><br><br>
Formula and bottles were at your house "just in case"<br><b>none</b><br><br>
Nurses or LC or Doc's told you to supplement because of some reason or other<br><b>At 2 weeks old, dd was losing weight, and there was good cause to suspect low supply (breast reduction), so LC and doctor advised us to supplement.</b><br><br>
you felt very overwhelmed with newbaby (by the way everyone feels this way!)<br><b>Extremely. Having low milk supply, even though I knew in advance that it might be a problem, was the hardest thing I have ever been through, hands-down. I felt incapable of nourishing my baby, and therefore inadequate as her mother. I was overwhelmed to the point of tears many times a day.</b><br><br>
You have never seen an LC, or it took a few months of problems to get there<br><b>I saw three in the first three weeks.</b><br><br>
You have never attended a La Leche League meeting<br><b>I attend regularly and am thinking of becoming a leader.</b><br><br>
You didn't see other moms nursing(ie, friends or relatives)<br><b>Friends but no relatives.</b><br><br>
You didn't own one book on Breastfeeding, and if you did you didn't read it much or felt you got anything out of it<br><b>I own just about ever good book on BF, and have studied them all.</b><br><br>
Baby slept in a crib or bassinet instead of your bed<br><b>only ever in our bed, from the first day on</b><br><br>
You tried to stick to the rule of "baby nurses every 2 hours"<br><b>only as a minimum guideline</b><br><br>
You didn't want to be seen as a human pacifier<br><b>I was proud to be seen this way. Isn't that what nursing mothers are? I resent the term "human pacifier", actually; shouldn't "pacifiers" be called "artificial humans"?</b><br><br>
You were very embarrassed to nurse in public<br><b>on the contrary! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></b><br><br>
You never nursed in public<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Your spouse relatives or others encouraged you to give baby bottles as soon as you were having the littlest difficulty or just to give you or your sore nipples a break.<br><b>No. In fact, convincing people (my know-it-all MIL, my loving midwives) that it was even necessary for me to supplement was a losing battle for a long time. Very frustrating.</b><br><br>
Baby's frunulem was clipped to make their tongue long enough to nurse properly<br><b>not a problem here</b><br><br>
You were checked prior to the birth to see if you had Flat or Inverted Nipples<br><b>Yes, and they were flat. Not anymore, though!</b><br><br>
When you did ask for help from Docs, LC's or other professionals, you got very little, or felt it just wasn't working or was too hard to continue (ie; pumping between feedings, bring baby to bed, nurse on demand even if it's every 15 min)<br><b>I sought so much help, but very little of it was really helpful. Not many professionals are well-educated about the special issues of BFAR (BF After Reduction).</b><br><br>
Were pretty much alone after a few days or weeks after birth without help, and expected to do all the childcare and housework.<br><b>no, and was cautious about not letting this happen</b><br><br>
You are or were on some sort of drugs or herbs to get your supply up<br><b>Yes. I now take domperidone and lots of fenugreek. I've also tried blessed thistle, goat's rue, and More Milk Special Blend from Motherlove.</b><br><br>
This is the second baby in which this cycle continues and you still have not been checked for flat/inverted nipples, baby's frenulum, or nursing habits(ie; take baby off too soon, nursing on a schedule, switch sides too soon, use of pacifiers, baby sleeps in crib)<br><b>This is my first baby.</b><br><br>
You had another condition(ie; brest reduction surgery, hormone imbalance,etc)<br><b>I had breast reduction surgery at the age of 18. About 2lbs were removed from each breast, and my areolas were reduced and moved. It's really no mystery why I have low supply. I am grateful for the excellent supply I have had, considering.</b><br><br><br>
Questions I thought you might ask, but didn't: did you/do you need to supplement, when did you begin supplementing, *how* did you/do you give the supplement. My dd had supplemented feedings for the first 6.5 months, but never once had a bottle. We always used the Lact-Aid at-breast supplementer, and I am convinced that this helped me to maximize my supply, and to eventually wean from formula supplements.<br><br>
The focus of your interest seems to be on how breastfeeding management contributes to low supply, and these are interesting questions. I think there is a lot to be learned as well if we look into how low supply is managed once it is diagnosed, i.e. how does the low supply respond to various methods of coping with it?<br><br>
Best wishes to all.
 

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Also remember this is not going to be a "scientific" survey. Most mamas on MDC are better educated than your average Jill about bfing, so the results will only be applicable to a special population.<br><br>
Thanks for letting me vent though <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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Leahida and all the mommies w/ low supply,<br><br>
I wrote the poll on low supply, and I just wanted to address your questions really quick.<br><br>
First of all THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP AND INFO!<br><br>
You and all the mamas on here are just the greatest and I have the utmost respect and admiration for you all!! You've got to have great courage and strength for going thru what you went thru with your babies. I don't think there is anything in the world that could be compared with the task of not only raising your baby, but also be confronted on a daily basis that your little one may be failing to thrive!!!!<br><br>
This info will be compiled and used to help bring low income moms and everyday moms into the "know" about how although nursing may be the most Natural way to feed baby, it often DOES NOT COME NAURALLY! And the more that they can do to educate themselves, BEFORE baby comes, the easier it will be if problems arise.<br><br>
Also you would not believe how many Professionals who come into contact with mom and baby do not have one clue about breastfeeding!!! These Nurses, Doctors, OB's and even midwives really should be legally forced to take Basic breastfeeding classes. There needs to be education on such a level that the average Joe knows how to latch a baby on!!!!!<br><br>
That is not going to happen overnight, However, the more moms learn ontheir own what they need to do to make breastfeeding successful, the more they will DEMAND from their Health Professionals, and the Less they will put up with when being forced into doing things they KNOW are not good to a healthy BFing relationship!<br><br>
The poll was made for everyday moms, we at MDC don't even know how lucky we are to have info at our fingertips. I'll explain a little using the book reading question for an example.<br><br>
This poll was made for not only MDC moms, but moms from every walk of life. Amazing to believe it, but there are tons of moms out there who literally do NO reading before or after baby comes. When I post the polls on this it will show many other moms who may not even thought about the fact that there may be other options for getting help, like a good book!!!<br><br>
In fact your comments like "Of course, I read everything I could on the subject" or "I have everybook out there on nursing." Are PERFECT responses to these questions!!!!<br><br>
They will show other moms just what they are missing, and HOW HARD OTHER MAMAS WORK to even get a few drops into their beloved babies!<br><br>
Although some moms try and try and still suffer from low supply, you wouldn't believe the number of moms who give up so quickly for something that could be remedied so easily. It's just heartbreaking.<br><br>
So again, thank you so much, I hope to get this info formulated into some plain facts, that I can give out to other moms as soon as I can.<br><br>
Sarah)))))
 

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Also you would not believe how many Professionals who come into contact with mom and baby do not have one clue about breastfeeding!!! These Nurses, Doctors, OB's and even midwives really should be legally forced to take Basic breastfeeding classes.<br><br>
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Yes I would believe. I think I've met every one of those nurses, doctors & OB's!!!!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 
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