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I know all those episodes are reruns now, but I just caught this one last night. Debra was having a complex about her chest size, and she says to Ray, "Remember, these are not JUST breasts. I had 3 kids. These were WORKING breasts!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">: It was pleasing to hear that someone in a TV sitcom was actually bf'ing--and she has twins, too!!
 

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That's good to hear. I don't remember seeing the twins have bottles or nurse. I'm always glad to hear BF mentioned as normal on TV.
 

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True, but in her book she talks a lot about all the plastic surgery she had to get after having her own children. She wrote that she had to get a boob job because brestfeeding ruined her boobs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">True, but in her book she talks a lot about all the plastic surgery she had to get after having her own children. She wrote that she had to get a boob job because brestfeeding ruined her boobs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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So? I doubt I'm the only one contemplating a boob lift after I'm done having kids.<br><br>
Instead of criticizing her for being honest about not liking the way her breasts looked after breastfeeding, focus on the positive that she apparently breastfed ALL of her kids, and didn't stop after the first one - when she knew through personal experience what it would do to her breasts.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So? I doubt I'm the only one contemplating a boob lift after I'm done having kids.<br><br>
Instead of criticizing her for being honest about not liking the way her breasts looked after breastfeeding, focus on the positive that she apparently breastfed ALL of her kids, and didn't stop after the first one - when she knew through personal experience what it would do to her breasts.</div>
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ITA, I'll likely get my boobs done afterwards too. They may nourish all of my children as babes, but if I can tuck them under my belt after I'm finished nursing I'm going to do something about it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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Wow, I had no idea about the actress. I was talking mostly about the character on the show, which does show that at least the producers are more pro-bf than other sitcom producers!<br><br>
I don't see anything wrong with getting the surgery when no longer nursing, but to come right out and say bf'ing "ruined" them is a bit much! It's almost like Patricia Heaton contradicts Debra Barone! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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If she wants surgery, that is her decision, but to say breastfeeding ruined her breasts is ridiculous.
 

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I just saw that episode again for about the 3rd time. Love it.<br><br>
I remember the article about her real life pregnacies and nursing and she had only positive things to say about breastfeeding in that article. She may have said PREGNANCY and breastfeeding caused her breasts to sag and stretched out her stomach.<br><br>
However, it was not a dig at breaatfeeding. On another boar I frequent, a lot of the women there, feel breastfeeding causes saggy breasts.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If she wants surgery, that is her decision, but to say breastfeeding ruined her breasts is ridiculous.</div>
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Why is it ridiculous? Are you personally intimate with her breasts, to know what changes occurred when?<br><br>
You might not feel that breastfeeding ruined YOUR breasts, and you're absolutely entitled to that opinion. However, Patricia Heaton, or I, or anyone else, for that matter, is equally entitled to their opinions, including the belief that breastfeeding ruined their breasts. The point is not whether or not they're happy with their post-nursing breasts, the point is the fact that they nursed multiple children, despite disliking the physical changes associated with breastfeeding.<br><br>
I personally hate my breasts now. They're too big and they're flat and saggy. If I lay on my back, they slide to the sides and my torso actually becomes smooth. That didn't happen until AFTER I had nursed my DD for several months. So yes, breastfeeding DID "ruin" my breasts; however, I have no intention of weaning my 20 month old daughter any time soon, nor do I have any intention of NOT breastfeeding future children. I do have every intention of a boob job when I'm done having children.
 

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because research has shown that it is the changes of pregnancy that affects the breast, not breastfeeding. In fact, it has been shown that breastfeeding helps the breasts go back to normal more than if one didn't breastfeeding.
 

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My mom only tried to feed me I was a premie, but I don't think counts as breastfeeding as it sounds like it was just a few days... but her boobs are just as 'ruined' as her other friends who all breastfeed more than one child for a year or more.<br><br>
I don't buy the breastfeeding = saggy breast myth.<br><br>
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I was only ablel to nurse 10 days, but my boobs are NOT the same anymore. I think it's pregnancy that does it, altho I wouldn't call someone ridiculous for feeling differently. I didn't notice the difference for awhile, so I can see how someone would blame breastfeeding.
 

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I agree that it is pregnancy that changes the breasts and not breatfeeding. I was just commenting on the article about Patricia where she said it was the combo of preg and breatfeeding that did it.<br><br>
A lot of women have this perception but my point was that she was not putting breastfeediing down in that article.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">True, but in her book she talks a lot about all the plastic surgery she had to get after having her own children. She wrote that she had to get a boob job because brestfeeding ruined her boobs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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I think I've heard her say (though I might be imagining this since it's been awhile), that her plastic surgery was directly related to her job field. Because women who want to have a career in showbiz are expected to have perfect bodies, you know.
 

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For the record, I was not criticizing her decision to have plastic surgery. Its her body--she has the right to do whatever she wants to it. I just get a little sensitive when people publicly blame breastfeeding for "ruining" their breasts. First of all, that isn't true, and second of all, I have met far too many women who believe this misconception and therefore choose to not nurse their babies because they think their husbands won't find them attractive anymore. I'm sorry if I was unclear--I didn't mean to seem like I was being uneccessarily caustic.
 

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Also breastfeeding 4 childeren means breastfeeding (maybe on/off) for ~10 years. In 10 years your body ages and age makes your body sag.<br>
I also believe it is mostly the pregnancy that is changing your breasts. The only thing the breastfeeding would do IMO is give you bigger nipples <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> When I think about it, maybe when you are engorged a lot the skin will become a bit more stretched, I don't know.<br>
I read somewhere that when the nursing stops the milk tissue will be replaced by fat tissue again after a while. So maybe people should first wait and see if they plan on a breast job after nursing.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I know all those episodes are reruns now, but I just caught this one last night. Debra was having a complex about her chest size, and she says to Ray, "Remember, these are not JUST breasts. I had 3 kids. These were WORKING breasts!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">: It was pleasing to hear that someone in a TV sitcom was actually bf'ing--and she has twins, too!!</div>
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Oh, yes! And I remember another episode (the one when Debra is sick and Raymond has to take one of the 2yo twins to the doctor) -- Raymond is clueless and can't answer any of the doc's questions. He comes home and asks Debra, "Uh, they're done nursing, right?" Debra says, "Yes, they weaned six MONTHS ago, Raymond."<br><br>
For those paying attention ... if your 2yo twins weaned six months ago, that means you nursed those twins until they were at least 18 months old.<br><br>
I thought it was great that the show portrayed discussion of toddler nursing (of twins no less!) as something just normal and accepted.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">because research has shown that it is the changes of pregnancy that affects the breast, not breastfeeding. In fact, it has been shown that breastfeeding helps the breasts go back to normal more than if one didn't breastfeeding.</div>
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I agree that pregnancy changes your breasts.<br><br>
I agree that breastfeeding ALSO changes your breasts.. it has to. My boobs get engorged and go up a size almost three times a week now for almost 2 years. thats gotta do somethin to the boobs? not to mention the daily yoga dd does WHILE nursing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> , the pulling, the non supportive nursing bras Ive worn.<br><br>
If my stomach stretched up a size like that im sure the skin would lose some elasticity?<br>
just a thought.<br><br>
from what ive learned, when skin stretches out for a short period, its easier to recover than if it stays stretched for longer. maybe thats why people blame bfing.<br><br>
I cant imagine making that my deciding factor though.<br><br><br>
I dont think ANYTHING necessarily RUINS your breasts but whatever.<br><br>
they are WORKIN boobs.
 
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