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Jodie, that is interesting. My son has a ridge on his head from overlapping sutures. It's getting better week by week, but it's still there. I had a lot of nipple pain for 2-3 days when he started latching correctly every time (by the time we got home, so 3 days after the birth), but now it's not painful anymore. I wonder if it's possible that he has a tongue tie that doesn't affect his eating? Or maybe just has the ridge and no tongue tie.
 

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Jodie, thank you for sharing and I'm so glad you got it fixed!

I think I'm mostly being paranoid because I wish we'd caught DS's earlier. Everything is really pretty normal...no excessive gas, normal yellow poops, just a bit of a shallow latch and some soreness, no nipple damage. I mean, I can't put him down for even a second, but not because he's in pain lying down.

I think it would make more sense for us to do some chiropractic and CST fIrst. He does have a slight ridge on his head and a high palate (probably what's causing my discomfort).

If we do end up needing to revise we have several good people in town, including one who does laser revisions.


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Jodie, thank you for sharing and I'm so glad you got it fixed!

I think I'm mostly being paranoid because I wish we'd caught DS's earlier. Everything is really pretty normal...no excessive gas, normal yellow poops, just a bit of a shallow latch and some soreness, no nipple damage. I mean, I can't put him down for even a second, but not because he's in pain lying down.

I think it would make more sense for us to do some chiropractic and CST fIrst. He does have a slight ridge on his head and a high palate (probably what's causing my discomfort).

If we do end up needing to revise we have several good people in town, including one who does laser revisions.


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My chiro does CST and she was able to feel that Olive couldn't lift the middle and back of her tongue. That is what happens with a posterior tie. (Even before the revision, she could stick her tongue out.) We had the high palate, too, which she said was also another "sign" of tongue tie (along with the overlapping sutures). She explained it by saying that in utero, if there is no tie, when the baby sucks, their tongue spreads the palate (widening it and making it not so high). When the baby does not have full mobility of the entire tongue, the palate remains high and narrow because there the tongue cannot do its job to widen it! Olive's latch was very shallow, too. It may be worth having your little man evaluated by a dentist. Or, at the very least, like you said, taken for chiro and CST (even better if the CStherapist has experience with tongue tie!).

Edited to add: And Olive had normal yellow poops despite the tongue tie... And she didn't seem in pain when I would put her down either... She just wanted to be held, it seemed. I was surprised when the CST changed that!
 

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So, I'm 2 days into this and totally in bliss despite 3 nights of no sleep, 5 stitches and super sore nipples. Baby passed tons of meconium which was starting to transition yesterday, but he hasn't pooped once today. He peed once that I can tell yesterday, and once today, both times there was A LOT thought (is it harder to tell in cloth dipes?). He seems satiated, and has alert periods and I think my milk is coming in, so I think it's ok, but I still get worried because his output seems low to me. He is really gassy (not fussy though) and it's pretty smelly. I fear I will have to check my diet (please don't let it be dairy or chocolate!)

Other than that, I'm terrified to poop & am tripping out on my organs being distended. Good news is my bleeding is lighter than a period... Just need to get these stitches healed now!


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Jodie, that is interesting. My son has a ridge on his head from overlapping sutures. It's getting better week by week, but it's still there. I had a lot of nipple pain for 2-3 days when he started latching correctly every time (by the time we got home, so 3 days after the birth), but now it's not painful anymore. I wonder if it's possible that he has a tongue tie that doesn't affect his eating? Or maybe just has the ridge and no tongue tie.
I couldn't believe how fast the CST worked to resolve the overlapping sutures! My chiro (who did our CST) actually has a spot on her skull with overlapping sutures. She said it causes her headaches quite often. I was glad to get it taken care of so quickly for Olive... My DS had the same issue, but it took longer to resolve. Our Dr. at the time said the sutures were something a lot of babies had and that it would resolve in a few weeks. It didn't. This was also one of the drs. that said he didn't have tongue tie. :/ Maybe because we didn't address it until a few months old? Maybe because the tie went undiagnosed for months? Our Dr. at the time said the sutures were something a lot of babies had and that it would resolve in a few weeks. It didn't.

I don't think that the overlapping sutures (if they resolve in a few weeks especially) necessarily means you have a tongue tie issue... but that it is often a factor present when tongue tie does exist? I am not sure, though!
 

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@forestlover75 My dd had bad smelly gas those first couple days while transitioning to my milk coming in, then it all went away. All my babies seemed to have followed that cycle. It could be something in your diet if it persists, but wait a few days and let your milk get established, and maybe it could be nothing.
 

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ForestLover I can't wait to hear your birth story.

Jodie, I can't remember if your labor with Olive was precipitous... I've mentioned before we took DD2 for CST. The DO explained that precipitous labors are very hard on babies and it was his opinion that ALL speedy babies have an adjustment. I'm glad to hear you and Olive are doing so much better!

If I was still in the Seattle area Id have DS adjusted but I am not impressed with anyone local.
 

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@forestlover75, Jonathan pooped while in the womb, then three more times (black) while at the hospital over the next two days. But then he didn't do anything for about 3 days before he started pooping the orange stuff. I figured not to worry because I knew his pipes worked from the black poop over the first 2 days. I remember having the same worries with my last baby, and looked up on the internet what to do. Many people said to use a q-tip and some petrolium jelly or something similar and just poke inside his anus. So I did that, and... immediate poop. It must be some sort of reflex. That was with the last baby. With this one, I just waited.


@jodieanneanton, I'm going to the chiro this morning, I will ask him about it. I'm not sure if he's trained in CST or if anyone in the office is, but we'll find out.
 

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Duchess, I know... I need to find the time to write my story!

Valerie, literally moment after posting he had a major poop and saturated his diaper with pee! So proud!


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Edited to add: And Olive had normal yellow poops despite the tongue tie... And she didn't seem in pain when I would put her down either... She just wanted to be held, it seemed. I was surprised when the CST changed that!

Interesting...Gus will not be put down for anything, it would be amazing if the CST could help with that...when he sleeps he either needs to be held or, is lying down, needs to be up against me. If I move a single inch he jerks awake, no matter how deeply asleep he seems. My mom is calling now to make an appointment with a CST who specializes in babies and feeding issues. I'm so glad I live in a place where we have an abundance of good alternative care practitioners! We're also going to the chiro tomorrow, or maybe this afternoon if we can.


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Talked to my chiro today and there is a doctor at the practice who does CST. They're going to call me back to schedule some sessions for Jonathan.
 

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Found out today my baby has a posterior tongue tie. Is there any point in fixing it if I switch to formula? I also found out I have insufficient glandular tissue and I am honestly at my wits end.. I can't keep watching my baby fail to gain weight especially when it's my fault.


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Found out today my baby has a posterior tongue tie. Is there any point in fixing it if I switch to formula? I also found out I have insufficient glandular tissue and I am honestly at my wits end.. I can't keep watching my baby fail to gain weight especially when it's my fault.


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My last two have had tongue ties - although I wouldn't have been on the look out for them had my sister's first not had such a hard time with his (and getting it properly diagnosed, much less the multiple "clippings" that then occurred). For me it has affected latch but not tremendously. The most obvious thing has been that they were both born with very receded chins - and THAT was what was affecting the latch. My sister and I also have receded chins (to our lifelong dismay) as does our mother, great grandmother, etc. All also had tongue ties at birth that went unfixed (my mom's ped told her ours would just tear on their own, which they did, but not nearly enough - I still have issues and wish it had been corrected as an infant). But we just thought receded chins were sadly in our genes (not realizing there could have been something done about it!!) My first with a tie, I had it clipped at 1 wk and followed with CST with our chiro. He's now 2 and has a great chin and jawline; you wouldn't believe the difference. This time we went to a specialist (who's also a LC) for the tie, and she mentioned that we should see baby's chin come out pretty quickly. Apparently it wasn't the CST (or at least not entirely) that acounted for the vastly improved chin, but rather the tie revision! All this to say, tongue ties can seem to not be a big deal, but it's surprising what they can affect (beyond feeding and speech). I think mine affected my palate (which affected my teeth spacing) which in turn affected my nose breathing (and singing).
 

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OMG! Jonathan also has a receded chin! The things you learn on an internet forum...
 

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Alivewithyou, I'm sorry it has been so rough nursing your babe. First, you aren't failing your baby. You've been doing your best and in my view that is great!

As a former special education teacher, I'd fix the tongue tie. Speech therapy, while not a huge deal, takes much longer than a quick procedure. A tie can impact all kinds of oral motor skills that develop over childhood.
 

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I can't keep watching my baby fail to gain weight especially when it's my fault.
I meant to respond to this, but was holding a baby at the time and couldn't type. It's not your fault. It just is, but it's not like you're wishing it on her. So don't feel guilty. I don't know enough about tongue ties to give you any advice other than to not beat yourself up. You're doing a great job so far as a first time mom. Way better than I did with my first from what I've read from your posts.
 

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Found out today my baby has a posterior tongue tie. Is there any point in fixing it if I switch to formula? I also found out I have insufficient glandular tissue and I am honestly at my wits end.. I can't keep watching my baby fail to gain weight especially when it's my fault.


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Oh, mama! :hug It's not your fault!!! You are doing great! You are doing all you can and that is what is important! You are dealing with two hard issues that can cause low supply! I would personally fix the tongue tie, breastfeeding or not. (Honestly, you may find that fixing the tie increases your supply quite a bit!) Several reasons have been outlined above. It is amazing what problems a restricted tongue can cause! Equally amazing is what problems a frenectomy/Tongue tie revision can reverse!!!

Touching on the insufficient glandular tissue... You really have to do what is right for you and your mental health, but I thought I would give you a few resources if you wanted support in continuing to breastfeed. The typical advice of skin to skin and breastfeeding on demand is still applicable here... maybe even moreso! Using an SNS (Supplemental Nursing System)with formula or donor milk is an option if you would still like to feed at the breast. There is a great support group on facebook called IGT and Low Milk Supply Support Group. The group is full of mamas in the same situation or who have been in the same situation, along with a few lactation consultants. There is also a lot of information on Kellymom about it, too!

I hope you find comfort in really knowing that it is not your fault! You are a great mom! Hugs, love and support from me to you! Once this gets all sorted out, it will be smooth sailing!
 

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My mom came by today to do an actual exam and really check for tongue tie. She had him suck on her finger and did a few exercises. There is definitely a tie there, and a slightly high palate, though nothing severe. He has a strong suck and good mobility despite the tie. She said the fact that I have "good" (prominent) nipples means we have more leeway - he can nurse pretty effectively despite his anatomy because my anatomy is favorable. While he can stick his tongue out when not nursing, he can't move it over his lip while he sucks, and he didn't respond to whatever exercise she did to try to draw it out. I have a CST appointment Thursday, chiro appointment tomorrow. Calling tomorrow to make an appointment with the dentist in town who lasers ties...even if CST might be enough to resolve nursing issues, I'll still probably revise just to avoid other potential problems down the road, like speech and tooth decay, etc.


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I love my baby...but...

I HATE POSTPARTUM LIFE!!!!

That is all I have to say for now :irked
 

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Sorry to hear @cagnew.

Today I put the first cloth diaper on Jonathan. I still have disposables, but I need to save them for tired nights and road trips. The coolest thing is that it fits! It's a flip cover and I can't even use the snaps in the very middle, because his belly is too big now. I was happy using the disposables given to me by family (size newborn and 1), thinking that the cloth diapers would be way too big on him, but no. They fit just fine. Here we go, laundry every day now!!!
 
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