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DS was posterior (the unofficial cause of the c/s) and my placenta is anterior this time. I know she is vertex but I feel all the kicks and pushes in my front. I am so sure she is posterior. But how can I tell for sure? I cant feel specific parts like arms and legs.
Also, the exercises and birth ball etc. When do I start doing them? I am 31 weeks. If I get her anterior will she go back to posterior?
HELP! I am convinced that DS's malposition was the main cause of my c/s and I am now obsessed with this!!!

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I found some stuff that might help you out and posted it below. I can understand being obsessed with positioning - I too had my cesarean for malpresentation!

I dont think that its too early to start doing the exercises (you should def. by or around 34 weeks), although the baby does have room to move still and could wiggle back to posterior. It seems that if you do the exercises and postures enough though, it would encourage baby to stay in the right position.

This is something that was found on Midwifery Today, it may be of some help to you.

4) Turning Posterior Babies

-Half of the cesarean rate results from OP/OT babies. With an epidural
this rate increases to three-quarters. 15 -30% of all labors start
with an OP/OT baby.

How to Diagnose:
1. Self-diagnosis: Belly shape; feels lots of hands and feet; frequent
urination; irregular labor pattern; ruptured membranes, back pain;
hard to pick up fetal heart tones, long painful labor
2. Caregiver's diagnosis: external palpation (harder to do in labor);
vaginal exam (look for suture lines when mom is dilated enough)

1. Pelvic shape: convergent sidewalls, narrow pubic arch, sacrum
intrudes, prominent ischial spines
2. Size of baby: either very large or very small (not guided by pelvic
floor, can't get into position)
3. Right occiput anterior in pregnancy as opposed to left
4. Exaggerated spinal curvature (lordosis) and a relatively inflexible

Correcting OP/OT in pregnancy:
1. Pelvic rocks: 10+ pelvic rocks on hands and knees per day
2. Dancing: rotate hips
3. Yoga: One midwife noted that her clients who do yoga have a smaller
incidence of OP/OT.
4. Crawling on hands & knees in a kiddie swimming pool

Strategies to Promote Rotation:
1. General tips:
-Usually what the mother finds most comfortable is also most
effective. Let her move instinctively. Epidurals prevent instinctive
-Help the baby rotate by using positioning that opens the pelvis,
activities or manipulations that shift the baby, and gravity to bring
the baby down.
2. Birth ball: lean on it, or sit on it and lean on bed. Rotate hips.
3. Positions:
-Hands and knees during pregnancy. One study showed a 3/4 rotation in
10 min.
-Side-lying, SIMS position. Lie on the same side as the baby is
facing, then switch.
-Lunge: opens one side of pelvis, feels good; let mom choose side
-Squat-Kneel: opens pelvis
-Dangle: almost a hanging sit, mom's back to sofa, don't go into a
full squat
-Standing leaning forward
-Kneeling, facing back of hospital bed
-Knee-chest position (rear end in the air), 30-35 min. in early labor
will almost always turn baby.
-Semireclining, heels together (don't use with epidural)
-Pelvic rocks
-Change position
4. Activity or Manipulation
-Lots of position changes
-Pelvic rocks
-Stroke the mother's belly in between contractions in the direction
you want the baby's back to go.
-Double hip squeeze: Sit facing mother, place both hands on back of
each hip and squeeze.
-Write the baby's name with pelvis
-Stair climb
-Crawl back and forth
-Acupressure: fingernail pressure on outer edge of little toenail
(could also turn breech)
-Delay epidural until at least 5 cm dilation. Doing one earlier may
lock the baby in the OP/OT position. Stay off back, even
semireclining. Hands and knees may be possible. Supported squat (w/
epidural): Set up bed like a birth chair, use stirrups as hand holds
and to support forearms.
-Manual internal rotation by care provider (Valerie El Halta - see
Midwifery Today Issue 36). Do early. May invoke negative memories for
women with a history of sexual abuse.
-Don't rupture membranes - could wedge baby permanently into the OP/OT
position, preventing rotation.
-Cup mothers kneecaps and push back to relieve pain.

Coping with a Long Difficult Labor:
1. Extra support: Secondary labor support person (doula); use talking
for relaxation and positive reinforcing attitude (e.g., "My body knows
just what to do" chant).
2. Food and drink: calories, especially at home
3. Stay home in early labor, which is often prolonged.
4. Reframing the problem:
-It's normal for an OP/OT labor to be longer and hard.
-Going from 50% effaced to 70% effaced is a major change.
-Stuff is happening.
-Cervix going from anterior to posterior is progress.
-Use short-term goals, bargain for milestones.
-Stay in the present; focus on the now.
5. Develop a ritual: women will often do this automatically if allowed
6. Groan "open" on the exhale.
7. Use shower or bath. (One hospital reduced its epidural rate by 80%
by requiring women to take a bath before getting their epidural.)
8. Show the mom on pelvis model what she is feeling looks like
9. Hot pack with rice and herbs heated in microwave
10. Avoid vaginal exams
11. Don't push too soon; delay until head on perineum - reduces use of
12. Per American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists: The
duration of second stage is not related to fetal outcome as long as
fetal heart tones are good.

Coping with Back Pain:
1. Temperature: A laboring woman's skin is sensitive to temperature.
Hot items should be cool enough to hold, frozen items should have
intervening layer(s).
-Heat: Local blood flow and temp. increase, muscle spasms decrease -
contributes to relaxation
-Cold: Local blood flow and temp. decrease - works best for decreasing
pain because it slows transmission of painful sensations (Ice chips in
an exam glove, frozen peas)
2. Touch
-Acupressure - low on sacrum (inch out on either side), sciatic point
(dimples in rear end), palm (center, high five and hang on)
3. Sterile water injection: intradermally, 20 sec; sharp local pain: 1
-2 hr. relief. Do not use saline. (see Midwifery Today Issue 44)
4. TENS (transcutaneous electronic nerve stimulation): effectiveness
5. Pain medication: Delay epidural until 5 cm. dilation, delay pushing
until head is on perineum (reduces the use of forceps).

Factors that Hinder Rotation in Labor:
1. Reclining: Gravity works against you; reclining fixes sacrum so it
can't open.
2. Early epidural: Relaxes pelvic musculature too much; Pitocin use
and C-section rates increase.
3. Early amniotomy: Head surges down and there is a deep transverse
arrest. May actually slow labor down.

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Lynsey, Thanks for that info. My last doc didn't care about the posterior presentation- I just delivered him that way. MommyToTwo- I never knew I was at risk for a csection! DS3 was 11 pounds 4 ounces, BTW. (no GD)
I am 32 weeks and also have an anterior placenta and so far as I can tell, a transverse babe. I assume this one will be posterior as well.

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I had something very similar happen! DD was transverse until about 34 weeks (?) when DH and I "told" her to move!
Then, my water broke at 37 weeks, 3 days, but I wasn't at all in labor. I went to the hospital since I was GBS positive. The did a U/S, found out DD was posterior. I was put on an IV (I wasn't aware of things such as hep-locks), and tried to walk around carting the IV, but was very uncomfortable in the lower back--and it just sucked to be attached to the IV pole! (I bet the shower would have felt good on my back!) I was shortly after put on pitocin, too. My notes say that I talked about an epidural just after 3.5 cm (perhaps I was at 4 by the time I actually got it), but I definitely had an epidural before 5 cm.

DD ended up in deep transverse arrest--with three hours of pushing. A C/S was deemed the safest at that point, which I agreed with then and still agree with now. Luckily, it was not an emergency. I now realize, though, that things could have been MUCH different up to that point. The part I took issue with is the hospital claimed that DD was no longer posterior--I just can't believe that's the case. When the epidural stopped taking effect, my lower back pain was so intense that I could hardly push through it. (It was just me and DH--well, and the VERY annoying medical student along with the nurse; next time, we'll have a doula!!) Anyway, DD's head was showing just a bit; she actually had to be pushed back in a little for the C/S.

I've heard that posterior presentations can repeat themselves, so when I get pregnant again, I'm looking again at the list from Mom3Baldie--and will do whatever it takes to keep this all from happening again!!

I'm sorry to have posted like this on someone else's question--it just sounded so similar to me. I'm new here, and if I should have started a new thread, please let me know!

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Please dont apologize, you can post wherever you feel it is relevent to your situation! Unfortunately, cesareans because of posterior positioned babies happen to many people and its good to tell your story and figure out what you can do differently next time.

Im glad the links and other info I sent will help you when you get pregnant again. Something else you might be interested in is the ICAN-Online email support group. It is free to join and can be found in Yahoo groups by typing in ICAN-Online. ICANs main website is

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Originally Posted by Kleine Hexe
Get the book Sit Up and Take Notice by Pauline Scott. It's available through ICAN. A must have IMO.
I ordered my copy last night..I can't wait for it to get here. One of my midwifes I see also recommended this book!

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Another great book RE: baby's positions is Optimal Foetal (Brittish Spelling) Position by Jean Sutton and Pauline Scott. Easy to read and understand.

I don't know if it was mentioned in the article that Lynsey added to this thread, but mom's posture/position attributes to OP babies. That very comfy recliner or overstuffed couch we all love while pregnant actually encourages baby to rotate OP. I gave mine up in favor of my birth ball and sitting indian style on the floor for the last few weeks of pregnancy, in hopes that I would avoid back labor which I did, but would up with a nuchal hand/arm as a trade off that made labor and birth "interesting" to say the least.

I loved this website

Hopefully you'll be able to find some useful info there as well.
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