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I'm going with cloth, and I was going for basics to save money. That made prefolds the optimum choice... or so I thought. I didn't realize anyone used flats anymore, so I didn't even consider them. I live in a small apartment and have a sink-hook-up mini washing machine, and will do a mini-load every other day. Everything will be line dried year round.<br><br>
So now I'm thinking my beginning stash will be a dozen infant 4x8x4 CPFs and a dozen birdseye flats, a couple snappis and 5 covers. This way I can try both. I figure both flats and CPFs are cheap enough that I can stand to lose the $15 or $18 for the dozen if I decide I'm not going to use them. And more likely than not, whatever I decide not to use will still be useful for doublers or random baby messes, toy for peek-a-boo etc.<br><br>
Here is what I understand about flats vs. prefolds:<br>
-flats dry faster<br>
-flats are all one size, you fold them to fit, or double for bigger babies<br>
-flats are more "complicated" because they need to be folded, but also more versatile.<br>
-prefolds are convenient, because they are, duh, prefolded. (Although I understand some minor folding is still required)<br>
-prefolds are in several sizes<br><br>
If anyone has any insight on my assessment of prefolds v. flats, please share!
 

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You are right on in your assessment. I think you are making an excellent decision. The only thing I would do differently is to get more diapers. Newborns get changed a lot, and if you are only going to wash every other day,<br>
I would definitely get more diapers, like 3 dozen total. Maybe even 4 if your child is like mine. My 4mo dd is notorious for pooping or peeing right after I change her, before I even get the cover on, so I go through almost twice as many diapers as I thought I would. And it was even worse when she was brand new. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
If you are looking for a good place to buy you diapers, chrck out greenmountaindiapers.com. They have really high quality pf's and flats. Even if you don't want to buy from them, you can learn a lot- its a really informative website with lots of pictures, instructions, and tips.<br>
Also, just so you know, flats will be bulky on a newborn. and they might not fit in some newborn covers. I didn't start putting them on my average to large-size dd until she was 2mo. Thats a preference thing, though.<br>
Good luck and happy diapering!
 

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We use prefolds and flats at this house! There are approximately five billion ways to fold flat diapers, which was really overwhelming when Ben was first born. We just used prefolds for the first couple of months. BUT once I got with the program, I really loved my flats! You will probably be able to get away with only 2 dozen diapers right from the beginning, (We did, we had 2 dozen infant prefolds and 1 dozen flats, but didn't use the flats right away) but there will probably be times when your baby is in the last diaper and you are anxiously waiting for the freshly washed dipes to dry. For ease in the newborn period, I would suggest at least 6 more diapers, especially if you are line drying.<br><br>
Have you given any thought to Elimination Communication? You don't have to do it hardcore (we sure don't!), but catching two pees a day, like first thing in the morning and first thing after nap, is two diapers you don't have to wash and dry!
 

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If i was doing it over I would do all flats. I just like the fit sooooo much better than anything else I've tried. One drawback to flats is that it's hard to get anyone else to change the baby because you have to teach them how first. I always keep 1 prefold in the diaperbag just because of this. I almost missed my DD1's dance in the dance recital because the baby needed changing and no one else could do it.<br><br>
Also, I just made some nice flats out of an old jersey sheet that I cut up. They are so soft and yummy.<br><br><br>
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Thanks for the quick replies! I'll consider throwing another 1/2 dozen CPFs in the mix. (The flats only come in dozens where I am planning to buy). I guess worst case scenario, I'll walk a block to the laundromat and pay for a bit of drying time if I am desperate...<br><br>
A few follow up questions-<br>
1) What is so great about GMD? I was planning on getting CPFs from cottonbabies. The CPFs from GMD are more expensive, but I can't see why.<br>
2) So it sounds like flats might be too big for a newborn? Will the infant CPFs work, or do I need newborn CPFs? I'm hoping to skip that smallest size range, since he/she will be out of them so quickly...<br><br>
Also, I kind of don't understand how flats can fit a baby that would use a premium size CPF if it can fit a baby in an infant CPF. I mean, if you do an origami fold, the dimensions are always the same. If you fold in half and fold over sides so they overlap in the middle, the dimensions will be close to the infant size prefold. If you double them and do either fold, don't you just end up with a thicker dipe with the same dimensions? These are the only folds I've been able to find. Do any flat users know of a good resource online for more folds, or different folds?<br><br>
Also, I am very interested in EC! I've read both Bauer and Gross-Loh's books. But like you, I don't want to go at it full force with the expectation that it is EC or bust! I hear that can be stressful and not good for baby or mom and dad. So we're planning to CD and casually do EC when we can, and just follow what the babe wants and we can handle...
 

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g&a- was the jersey you used kinda stretchy? I have some old kersey sheets, but they are stretchy. Also, did you have to use a serger or hem, or did you just cut it and let the edges roll?<br><br>
what fold did you use for a newborn v. older babies?<br><br>
Thanks for your input!
 

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I would definitely NOT get the 4x8x4 prefolds. I know everyone else seems to love them, but in my experience they take half of forever to dry.<br><br>
The flats from GMD are fantastic, but I often reach for my prefolds first because they are easier. My favorites at this stage (starting from about 4 months old, now almost 7 months) are the "Standard regular" 2x5x2 from Nicki's Diapers, which dry pretty quickly, and we use the infant size as stuffers for our new pocket diapers (which I made to save money, though I don't think I actually saved that much).<br><br>
We also do EC, and if you're trying to keep the baby dry by changing whenever they're wet, you'll need at least 3 dozen diapers (preferably 4 dozen) to start. However, few non-ECers actually do that, so you might be able to get away with less.<br><br>
Oddly, proraps worked fine for us until we got into size medium, which didn't work at all. You can sometimes get covers second-hand, which is especially good for the newborn stage which doesn't last long but is very diaper-changing intensive.
 

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x-posted.<br><br>
I don't know why people love the GMD prefolds so much. Mine from Nicki's Diapers were cheaper and she had more selection, which was the main thing for me.<br><br>
Flats work for toddlers by folding two together, or sticking a prefold in the middle as a doubler. There are so many possible folds that I don't know where to start, but you'll be able to figure it out.<br><br>
I found EC a bit addictive, but it's important to be able to back off. Initially I was going to just try to catch poos, but now we're catching most pees, too. Didn't really get started until 2-3 months old, though.<br><br>
I've done a little of my own sewing, and I would think that flannel sheets would be a bit better than jersey for flats. Also second-hand receiving blankets can be used as flats.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I've done a little of my own sewing, and I would think that flannel sheets would be a bit better than jersey for flats. Also second-hand receiving blankets can be used as flats.</div>
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I found that my Snappis had a hard time gripping flannel, and that I needed to use pins to close my flannel flats (aka old receiving blankets) but they are a cheap source of flat diapers and super cute!<br><br>
OP, you are right that the origami fold only comes in one size. I found it best for the 2-6 month range. But you can adjust many of the folds to fit any size baby. Right now for flats, we first fold *almost* in half in one direction and them almost in half in the other direction. There is one small corner that has only one layer, but that's in the front top where it doesn't matter. Most of the diaper is four layers.<br><br>
When Ben was smaller, we would fold completly in half in one direction, then slightly more than half in the other direction, and then fold the top layer back to make a kind of zigzag. This gave a diaper with (from left to right) 2 layers, 6 layers, 4 layers.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">g&a- was the jersey you used kinda stretchy? I have some old kersey sheets, but they are stretchy. Also, did you have to use a serger or hem, or did you just cut it and let the edges roll?<br><br>
what fold did you use for a newborn v. older babies?<br><br>
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The jersey IS stretchy. This isn't a problem, so far. I don't know if they will stretch out of shape over time, though. I've heard of people using stretchy stuff for flats before. A serger hem would be best, probably. I folded them over twice and used a zigzag stitch.<br><br>
I have only ever CDd a 8 to 13 lb baby. I think we started the flats when she was about 10 lbs, i think. I've only ever figured out the origami fold. It fit great then, and I can imagine it fitting an even smaller baby. There are so many folds, I'm not worried about when she is bigger. Look on diaperswappers.com.<br><br>
I started out with recieving blanket flats and found them difficult to snappi. I would worry about that with any flannel you wanted to repurpose. Try it out first. Interlock would probably be better than jersey as it is thicker. You use what you can find.<br><br>
Since you are using a mini washer and line drying you might like flats better. They are smaller (=more in the load) and dry faster. It's always a good idea to have some prefolds around for when other people have to do the diapering. Plus having both is not that much of an investment, it'll be easy to figure out what you really like and get more of that in the end.<br><br>
I also use GMD prefolds and quite like them. The difference is in the sizing. I can't get a regular infant prefold to fit as nicely. I still think the orange edge size is Soooo cute on tiny babies.<br><br>
gl. hopefully we haven't confused you more!<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I also use GMD prefolds and quite like them. The difference is in the sizing. I can't get a regular infant prefold to fit as nicely. I still think the orange edge size is Soooo cute on tiny babies.</div>
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Thanks for all the info. Just to clarify, do you mean the orange edge newborn size GMD PFs fit much better than any other infant size PFs?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks for all the info. Just to clarify, do you mean the orange edge newborn size GMD PFs fit much better than any other infant size PFs?</div>
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Orange edge and yellow edge are what I have experience with, and both fit better than the standard infant size IMO. Oranges are good till about 10 lbs. Yellows are the next size up.<br><br>
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Another question for flat users- where do you get yours? GMD is out of flats till September. I know cotton babies has them. Anyone else? I'm looking for regular cotton flats, I'd rather not pay the premium on organic, hemp, or bamboo flats.<br><br>
Thanks!
 

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I got my flats from Target. They are just the Gerber Birdseye flats. And you know what else these are good for; sun and bug protection for newborns. They are so light and thin I just put one over ds's head (while he's sleeping) when we are outside and I don't have to worry about him getting sunburnt or bitten by bugs.
 

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Mine are little lions flats (<a href="http://little-lions.com/page47a.html" target="_blank">http://little-lions.com/page47a.html</a>). I traded for them on diaperswappers.com. Look in their FSOT section. If you still can't find any go to the wahm section and search for "flats" to get pretty dyed ones.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Another question for flat users- where do you get yours? GMD is out of flats till September. I know cotton babies has them. Anyone else? I'm looking for regular cotton flats, I'd rather not pay the premium on organic, hemp, or bamboo flats.<br><br>
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<a href="http://www.little-lions.com" target="_blank">www.little-lions.com</a> has them for cheap cheap. You can also get Dappi pants cheap from them too.
 

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I have not read teh replies, but for line drying, flats are teh way to go. Also, even of you have to go a long time between washes, it is so easy to get flats really clean (no layers). I;ve always been a lover of flats, and even though I have a huge hyena stash, I'm going back to 2 flats adn a wool cover for nighttime. they are too simple, and I can go 7 days w/o washing (nighttime is pertty much our only dirty dipe these days), and they still get fresh and clean.
 

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Oh, you guys are so helpful! Thanks! More questions...<br><br>
So far I have seen flats available from cottonbabies, target (gerber), and little lions. Anyone have any preferences or know if there is any difference between these? I was looking at reviews for the gerber ones at amazon, and it looks like most people just use them for burp cloths, not dipes, and some people complain that they are too thin (for use as burp cloths!) Cottonbabies has birdseye flats and BG brand egyptian cotton flats. Anyone tried these?
 
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