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I live in CA and know that public schools allow a philosophical exemption to vax's but am wondering about private schools/preschools. I recently read on the website of a preschool we're interested in that they require vax's. Can they do that or do the same exemptions apply to them??
 

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Honestly it depends on the school. Just ask for the blue immunization card when you get the enrollement papers and tell them you'll be signing the exemption on the back. Use their reaction to judge. If the school gets any kind of state funds they have to allow it. A lot of them get the funds in the form of children who's childcare is paid for by the state, or for special ed programs.<br><br><br>
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Yes there are very different regulations for preschools in the state of CA then in the elementary schools...<br><br>
Preschools are regulated by Community Care Licensing and the regs are referred to as title 22...<br><br>
Schools cannot require you to vax your children but most have a stipulation in their handbooks that states..."we reserve the right to refuse care to any child or<br>
family for any reason" This is usually how schools refuse care to unvax children...I would suggest that you look into the Prevnar vax which prevents bac<br>
meng....I have been directing preschool programs for the last 5 years and had a young child who contracted bac meng as a result of delayed vax...it was terrifying for her parents and the community alike she spent several days in the ICU and the department of health had to get involved...although I have never refused enrollment to any family for vac reasons...prevnar is a vac I always make them aware of as a result of this very scary experience.<br><br>
Understand that i plan to delay vax for my baby (who was due 5 days ago) but i feel like when my child enters preschool I would like him to be vax for at least some of the more serious and common diseases.....
 

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The contraction of bacterial meningitis is not a <i>result</i> of not vaxing.
 

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A preschool that is licensed and open for public enrollement CANNOT discriminate for this. It is against the law to discriminate against a family for their religion, race, sexual orientation, etc. Choosing NOT to vax a child in California using the philisophical exemption is protected under this law. Because the philisophical exemption covers religious exemption as well. This is straight from MY licensor in California. A private childcare home CAN choose not to allow a non-vaxed child in because we have more control over our homes....ei: if I had an immune suppressed child and only wanted to allow vaxed kids for this reason. As we are running our business in our homes we don't fall under some of the regulations and laws that are binding to a public place.<br><br>
Also, licensed exempt centers/preschools CAN make vaxing a requirement. This is because licensed exempt centers are mostly run by churches, and it's legal for them to only except children from their own congregation if they choose.<br><br><br>
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LongIsland,<br><br>
Although I certainly did not attend med school...the dept of health and the physician of the child who contracted bac meng disagree with you...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">A preschool that is licensed and open for public enrollement CANNOT discriminate for this. It is against the law to discriminate against a family for their religion, race, sexual orientation, etc. Choosing NOT to vax a child in California using the philisophical exemption is protected under this law. Because the philisophical exemption covers religious exemption as well. This is straight from MY licensor in California. A private childcare home CAN choose not to allow a non-vaxed child in because we have more control over our homes....ei: if I had an immune suppressed child and only wanted to allow vaxed kids for this reason. As we are running our business in our homes we don't fall under some of the regulations and laws that are binding to a public place.<br><br>
Also, licensed exempt centers/preschools CAN make vaxing a requirement. This is because licensed exempt centers are mostly run by churches, and it's legal for them to only except children from their own congregation if they choose.</div>
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I knew this even when my children were turned away from our own synagogue preschool. I did not want to push it , but I knew they were wrong. I was not really interested in sending my children to any preschool anyway.<br><br>
This is also very odd because I did send my children to Hebrew school there, in the very same rooms, and no one said anything about my children never being vaccinated.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would suggest that you look into the Prevnar vax which prevents bac<br>
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I would NOT do that. The Prevnar vax was the one that my dd reacted very badly to in 2002. My understanding is that there has been quite a few issues with this particular one. You have to do what you have to do, if you feel it's right, but don't vax your kids for a reason as silly as just to get them into a particular school. Just my two cents. Sorry I can't answer the rest of your questions, as we don't live in your state.<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">the dept of health and the physician of the child who contracted bac meng disagree with you...</div>
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LongIsland, I agree with you. The Dept. of Health and most docs can blow it out their you-know-what until they have studies that aren't funded by pharmaceutical companies. These ones in particular really shouldn't have taken the medical degrees and licenses that were handed out in the Cracker Jack boxes seriously. Contracting a disease from delaying a vax is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Honestly it depends on the school. Just ask for the blue immunization card when you get the enrollement papers and tell them you'll be signing the exemption on the back. Use their reaction to judge. If the school gets any kind of state funds they have to allow it. A lot of them get the funds in the form of children who's childcare is paid for by the state, or for special ed programs.<br><br><br>
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Umm what blue immunization card? What exemption on the back? I have had kids enrolled in California schools since 1998 and have never seen or been given this blue card. We were also in Lake County until as recently as October. The schools have always taken a copy of the yellow card that the doctor gives you when he does the shots. Which, does not have an exemption on it.<br><br>
Good luck with your exemption. You are entitled to it by law.
 

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AniT,<br><br>
You fill out the blue card as part of your chilid's reg. paperwork...it is different then the yellow card that your ped updates each time your child has a vax...if you flip the blue card over you will find a section (if memory serves it is on the bottom 3rd of the card) that you can sign stating that you choose not to vax y our children...by the way the blue card is actually 9x11 but it is printed on cardstock
 

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That is absolutely correct, newmommy27.
 

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You fill out the blue card as part of your chilid's reg. paperwork...it is different then the yellow card that your ped updates each time your child has a vax...if you flip the blue card over you will find a section (if memory serves it is on the bottom 3rd of the card) that you can sign stating that you choose not to vax y our children...by the way the blue card is actually 9x11 but it is printed on cardstock</div>
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I have a 6th grader, between 3 different counties, 5 different school districts, and registering 2 different children in California schools.... I have NEVER seen this blue card you speak of. They always photocopy the yellow one and that is the end of it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Umm what blue immunization card? What exemption on the back? I have had kids enrolled in California schools since 1998 and have never seen or been given this blue card. We were also in Lake County until as recently as October. The schools have always taken a copy of the yellow card that the doctor gives you when he does the shots. Which, does not have an exemption on it.<br><br>
Good luck with your exemption. You are entitled to it by law.</div>
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They look at your yellow card, and transfer the information onto their blue card. On the back of the blue card is the exemption, you just have to ask for it. It's called "the california school immunization record" Here's a link, it's on page 2.<br><br><a href="http://www.dhs.ca.gov/publications/forms/pdf/pm286b.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.dhs.ca.gov/publications/forms/pdf/pm286b.pdf</a><br><br>
to the OP, just print out the one above, sign it, and turn it in with your paperwork <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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That is very interesting. When I asked for a copy of the vax records (cause I misplaced ours) they gave me a copy of what I gave them. A copy of the yellow one. hrmmm Oh well i dont live in CA anymore so I guess it doesnt really matter.
 

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That makes sense though, because the blue card is NOT official, it's just for the school's records. It wouldn't do you any good to present it anywhere else. They still usually keep a photo copy of your official card.
 

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Among the vaccines I wish I had never given dd Prevnar is one of the scariest! First there are the major conflicts of interest involved in promoting this vaccine and then it's never shown to be effective or safe. Then the government keeps on massaging the statistics to "show" that Prevnar has done a great job:<br><br><br>
From Dr. Mercola's Site:<br><br>
The government gave an update on the shortage of the worthless vaccine Prevnar. A worthless vaccine? Well Prevnar definitely falls into this category. If you?ve read the critical review of Prevnar I posted three years ago, I think you will come to the same conclusion:<br><br><a href="http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/3/prevnar.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/3/prevnar.htm</a><br><br>
First and foremost, the vaccine does not work.<br><br>
First they try to scare you by giving you these statistics:<br><br>
"Before a vaccine was available, pneumococcal infections caused more than 700 cases of meningitis, 13,000 blood infections and about 5 million ear infections in U.S. children, and killed around 200 a year."<br><br>
But then in the last paragraph they tell us:<br><br>
"The number of cases of the disease in adults aged 50 and older fell 25 percent to 29 per 100,000 in 2002 from 41 cases per 100,000 reported in 1998-1999."<br><br>
This sure makes it sound like the vaccine works, doesn?t it? Well, let me help you "read between the lines." If you read the first paragraph again, you will find that 5 million ear infections in children implies that there were also 200 deaths a year in children and 13,000 blood infections in children, however this is not the case. Rather it?s a matter of mixing up statistics to give us the wrongful impression that this is an epidemic affecting our children and the vaccine is the "savior."<br>
Now read the last paragraph again and concentrate on the part where they seek to confirm the vaccine?s effectiveness. They state that there was a 25 percent reduction of disease since the Prevnar vaccine was mandated for children, but do they cite children?s statistics? No way. They tell us the disease was reduced in adults over 50. What in the world does this have to do with kids getting the vaccine?<br>
Folks, does this anger you as much as me? They try to scare us with 5 million ear infections and imply that the vaccine is the answer. The Prevnar vaccine has never been proven to work for ear infections. Have you ever wondered how this might possibly be related to the fact that the vaccine earns Wyeth, the sole manufacturer of Prevnar, $500 million a year? I really hope they fix their manufacturing problem quickly as I wouldn?t want them to lose any more of the money they are stealing from us.<br><br>
Remainder of the article at:<br><br><a href="http://www.mercola.com/2004/mar/20/vaccine_lies.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/2004/mar/20/vaccine_lies.htm</a><br><br><br>
Conflict of interest snipets from the articles above:<br><br>
On July 24, 2000, Tmjh wrote:<br><br>
"I?m concerned about data linking prevnar to the onset of juvenile diabetes. Could you comment?"17<br><br>
On July 25, 2000 Dr. Pelton responded:<br><br>
"The best reference that I am aware of denies any linkage between the two." 17<br><br>
This response appears to ignore at least one study completed at the University of Washington which stated, "Aged 65 years or older and having cardiovascular disease or diabetes mellitus were specific indications significantly correlated with receipt of influenza and pneumococcal vaccine." 38 Prevnar is a pneumococcal vaccine and this study therefore suggests that late onset of diabetes may possibly be associated with the vaccine. In addition, Dr. J. Bart Classen told the FDA that Prevnar "may be seven times as toxic as the hemophilus vaccine, possibly causing an estimated 400 to 700 children to develop insulin dependent diabetes per 100,000 children immunized. These cases of diabetes may not occur until 3.5 to 10 years following immunization."49<br><br>
A mother named Anne wrote on August 23, 2000:<br><br>
"Parents magazine had a Prevnar ad, which stated ?Prevnar has not been evaluated for any carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or impairment of fertility.? Can you give me a layman?s explanation ... should I be worried...?" 17<br><br>
Dr. Kathyrn Edwards responded on September 5, 2000:<br><br>
"The vaccine has been studied in animals and found not to be associated with cancer or infertility." 17<br><br>
This is an interesting response because we have been unable to find a single published report that relates to any carcinogenic or mutagenic studies on Prevnar. In fact, the manufacturer?s insert also fails to cite such a document. We challenge Dr. Edwards to produce such a peer-reviewed study.<br><br>
A mom named Susan wrote on September 6, 2000:<br><br>
"(I read) some disturbing comments from parents whose children have already received the vaccine. They said it has terrible side effects, such as poor appetite, difficulty breathing, sleeping problems, and can cause juvenile diabetes ... of course this has me worried." 17<br><br>
Dr. Kathryn Edwards responded on September 12, 2000:<br><br>
"The vaccine was administered to nearly 20,000 children prior to licensure and the side effects seen in these children were carefully evaluated and not shown to increase the rate of diabetes, respiratory problems, or weight loss." 17<br><br>
As we have already seen the diabetes question is not resolved. In addition, as far as respiratory problems are concerned, it appears that Prevnar can cause or contribute to such a diagnosis. According to the manufacturer?s insert: croup, pneumonia, asthma, bronchiolitis, and wheezing were associated with the administration of Prevnar.32<br><br>
The forum where all of these questions are asked and answered is titled "Pneumo.com." The entire venue is paid for by Wyeth-Lederle Vaccines, the manufacturer of Prevnar. (The site is "supported by an unrestricted educational grant from Wyeth-Lederle Vaccines.") In fact, both Edwards and Pelton are listed as "National Editors" on the site.18 Could Wyeth?s sponsorship of this forum have anything to do with these doctors? answers?<br><br>
Dr. Kathyrn Edwards: Wyeth Lederle Pays to Reassure Doctors about Prevnar<br><br>
Dr. Edwards is not only busy assuring worrisome parents about Prevnar, but finds the time to reassure concerned pediatricians too. Here are some examples:<br><br>
On April 1, 2000, Dr. Hemendra Parikh asked Dr. Edwards about the safety of injecting Prevnar and Comvax simultaneously (Comvax = haemophilus influenzae type b and hepatitis B together). He wrote:<br><br>
"Has there been any study to show the impact of the simultaneous vaccination with the pneumococcal vaccine and other recommended childhood vaccines? Especially the simultaneous vaccination with prevnar and comvax?"19<br><br>
On April 5, 2000 Edwards responded that while there are no studies on this question, it should be ok anyway:<br><br>
" ... To my knowledge, no studies of the pneumococcal conjugates administered with Comvax are ongoing but there is not current information to suggest that it would be a problem."19<br><br>
On April 6, 2000, Dr. Mark McGwire asked:<br><br>
"Any interactions between anabolic steroids, nutritional supplements and prevnar?"19<br><br>
Edwards considered this to be a funny question. She thought that it was rather impossible that a parent could give a child a vitamin supplement. On April 10, 2000, she replied:<br><br>
"I?m glad you have a sense of humor. Fortunately infants and young children receiving the pneumococcal conjugate do not use these supplements and steroids."19<br><br>
Is it ethical that this forum is also paid for by Wyeth Lederle, Prevnar?s manufacturer? (The site is "Supported by an unrestricted educational grant from Wyeth-Lederle Vaccines.") Was there a conflict of interest when Edwards accompanied Drs. Black and Shinefield to Boston on May 12-16, 2000, to speak about "the development and performance of conjugate pneumoccocal vaccines (i.e. Prevnar),"20 even though the conference was "supported in part by an educational grant from Wyeth-Lederle Vaccine and Merck Vaccine Division?"20<br><br>
Is it ethical that Wyeth Lederle paid Dr. Edwards $255,023 per year from 1996 to 1998 for the study of pneumococcal vaccines48 (i.e. Prevnar) and now Edwards is addressing questions from pediatricians and parents about the product? Is it a conflict of interest that Edwards is one of fifteen full-time members of FDA?s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, the committee that advises the FDA on the licensing of new vaccines?<br><br>
Just unbelievable! I just can't imagine how a doctor can say that delaying a vaccine like Prevnar can cause any disease!
 

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My doctor, a board certified MD who is generally pro-vax, feels that Prevnar is one of the most dangerous vaccines out there -- not adequately studies, rushed to market after a few short tests. The only reaction studied that were conducted involved following a child for 48 hours and asking the parents to call if something serious happened. There have been 0 long-term studies on the effect of this vaccine.
 
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