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<a href="http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/circumcision.htm" target="_blank">http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealt...rcumcision.htm</a><br><br>
Very well done site and it is handy if you need quick answers on debate boards. Good info package also for education purposes.<br><br>
Included some new info - at least for me. I had no idea about this;<br><br>
...Yeast infection (caused by candida or thrush) is equally common in circumcised and uncircumcised men, although circumcised men are less likely to have symptoms with this infection so they are more likely to unknowingly pass on thrush to their sexual partners....
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/circumcision.htm" target="_blank">http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealt...rcumcision.htm</a><br><br>
Very well done site and it is handy if you need quick answers on debate boards. Good info package also for education purposes.<br><br>
Included some new info - at least for me. I had no idea about this;<br><br>
...Yeast infection (caused by candida or thrush) is equally common in circumcised and uncircumcised men, although circumcised men are less likely to have symptoms with this infection so they are more likely to unknowingly pass on thrush to their sexual partners....</div>
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That's a nice one to counter the "circ prevents STD's"-myth!
 

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I would be a little careful with this page<br><br>
there are a few inaccuracies<br>
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Does he think medical circ is common in Europe? Its actually very rare. 6 per 100,000 in Finland I think, for example. Many Americans assume circ to be far more common in Europe than it actually is. This false belief helps perpetuate circ.<br><br>
He apparently refers to the dodgey Wiswell study re UTis.<br><br>
give me<br><a href="http://www.circumstitions.com" target="_blank">www.circumstitions.com</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would be a little careful with this page<br><br>
there are a few inaccuracies<br>
e.g.<br><br><br>
Does he think medical circ is common in Europe? Its actually very rare. 6 per 100,000 in Finland I think, for example. Many Americans assume circ to be far more common in Europe than it actually is. This false belief helps perpetuate circ.<br><br>
He apparently refers to the dodgey Wiswell study re UTis.<br><br>
give me<br><a href="http://www.circumstitions.com" target="_blank">www.circumstitions.com</a></div>
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Finland may have the best stats overall but they're not necessarily representative of Europe as a whole. For example, I've read about non-infant circs being not uncommon in Germany and the UK -- if you search PubMed, for example, there are articles out of the UK discussing how many post-neonatal circs are performed and how many are unnecessary. There's actually an advocacy site in German to help educate parents that circ for "phimosis" is unnecessary (it's been posted here before).<br><br>
Certainly it doesn't reach the epidemic levels that it does in the US but sadly the rates of non-medically-necessary circs in Europe is not zero or close thereto (even excluding religious circs).
 

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Yes - agreeing with Quirky. While Scandinavia seem to be very much against circumcision, this is not necessarily situation in rest of the Europe. It has been a little shock to me to learn about for example Germany.<br><br>
The difference is still quite big to USA though. In USA 12-15% of intact boys 'need' to get circumcised while in Europe - even in 'worst' countries it is way under 5%.<br><br>
So against this info, yes the writer is right, there are far too many medically unnecessary circumcisions in some European countries.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes - agreeing with Quirky. While Scandinavia seem to be very much against circumcision, this is not necessarily situation in rest of the Europe. It has been a little shock to me to learn about for example Germany.<br><br>
The difference is still quite big to USA though. In USA 12-15% of intact boys 'need' to get circumcised while in Europe - even in 'worst' countries it is way under 5%.<br><br>
So against this info, yes the writer is right, there are far too many medically unnecessary circumcisions in some European countries.</div>
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Towards evidence based circumcision of English boys: survey of trends in practice<br><a href="http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/321/7264/792" target="_blank">http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/conte...l/321/7264/792</a><br><br>
"If the most recent overall circumcision rate (about 12 200 procedures annually) remained unchanged, 3.8% of English boys would be circumcised by their 15th birthday. Among boys resident in the ********* and Sefton health districts the proportion would be 1.5%."<br><br>
"Although the proportion of English boys circumcised for medical reasons fell from 35% in the early 1930s to 6.5% by the mid-1980s, even latterly it was argued that some two thirds underwent the procedure unnecessarily,1 a judgment consistent with practice in Scandinavia, where less than 2% of boys are circumcised.2 "<br><br>
So yes, still far too many, but getting there and I suspect that the absolute numbers are tiny in Germany too.
 
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