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I am not pregnant yet, but weighing up my options for next birth...and I am so confused about my feelings and scared about what will happen whether VBAC or repeat C-section!<br><br>
So, my question for the women who wanted a VBAC, but did not get one in the end for whatever reasons....Were you still happy that you attempted the VBAC or do you wish you'd scheduled a C-section? Physically? Emotionally?<br><br>
I had an easy recovery from my surgery (my first and only child), which was unplanned after a long labour "failed" to progress with a big, posterior baby. But emotionally I have regret and disappointment in the experience, and I believe the surgery contributed to breastfeeding problems and bonding. Part of me would LOVE to have a natural labour and think it would be a healing experience, but part of me is terrified of that (as I was before my first labour!) and thinks I might be even more frustrated and upset if I ended up with surgery anyway. BUT I don't want to always be wondering what "might have been" if I don't at least give it a go!<br><br>
Sigh....wish I'd never been put in this position in the first place <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
BTW, my heart really goes out to those women who are still grieving their C-section experiences, and to those who attempted VBAC and ended up CBAC. Before having a child, I never realised how much a woman's birth experiences can affect her body, mind and soul to such an extent, with such highs and lows. But now I understand.<br><br>
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i had LONG vbac labor and ended up with c/s.<br><br>
I'd do it all again, even if scenario was the same.<br><br>
It was THAT worth it to me!<br><br>
Although if I have any more children, we're doing home births. Less intervention and midwife is cool with LONG labor! (I had over 43 hours of labor before I got to pushing stage). Also midwife says she is FINE with me eating/drinking as I desire during labor. I had NOTHING to eat for 4 days except a few ice chips. I was worn out.<br><br>
Personally I think hospital vbac deliveries are much harder than they should be.<br><br>
My 'plan' was to have successful vbac, then have home births. I should have gone with home birth in the first place.<br><br>
Once you go into hospital, you're on timeline.<br><br>
But your question wasn't about all that.<br><br>
I would TOTALLY do the whole long horrible back labor all over again, even knowing that I'd have a c/s as the outcome.<br><br><br>
check out ican if you haven't already.<br><br>
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c/s after 'failed' induction at 40w3d because baby was HUGE and the doc played the 'dead baby' card and turned out baby was 8lbs 1 oz and wasn't ready to be born yet - he has tons of issues.<br><br>
c/s after 'failed' (man i hate that word!) vbac - 43 hours labor, 2 hours strong pushing. No food/drink for 4 days - only a couple of ice chips on a small spoon at a time. i BEGGED for apple juice over and over . . . . I just needed some energy i was worn out by the end.<br><br>
successful homebirths will be my future. and by golly, i WILL have my apple juice if I want some! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
PS I'm not pregnant, BUT I do have a midwife and doula - I wanted to make sure everyone was on board before we considered more children. esp after 2 c/s - no hospital will 'allow' me to deliver vaginally. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Emotionally, I'm definitely happy I attempted the VBAC. There was no way to know that babe would turn transverse in labor, so it really would have been a HUGE "what if?" if I didn't.<br><br>
Physically though...not so much. I was so tired I fell asleep during the c-section. Unfortunately he had to be whisked off to the NICU because his lungs weren't mature (I was induced at 36 wks for pre-e). The silver lining was that I got to rest, because I'm not sure how I would have handled rooming in at that point.<br><br>
The sheer exhaustion of laboring then having surgery is one of the many reasons I'm considering just scheduling the section this time. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
To clarify, here's the order of my births:<br><br>
birth son: Emergency section at 32 wks<br>
dd: sucessful VBAC at term<br>
ds: attempted VBAC induction at 36 wks, babe turned transverse, ended up with section.
 

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I had a failed vbac but don't regret it one bit. I tried for 2days.. the doctor even let me go back home for awhile... unfortunately my doula wasn't allowed in the hospital and I really believe that affected my outcome somewhat. I gave it a shot and that's what counts and found a vbac friendly doctor. If I had to do it over again I would have gone for a home birth for sure.<br><br>
I'm not thinking about having any more children but if that were to change... I would be a little scared about having a 3rd csection... having had a 2nd csection kind of put a damper on my idea of having any more. I woul say, if all's well go for the vbac... I felt very empowered until the last minute before needing the operation.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:
 

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I attempted a VBAC after 1 c/s, and would do it again. The only thing I would do different would be to have a HBAC. Like pp once your in the hospital your on a time line. That attempt would have been me best oppurtunity for a VBAC, but my doctor was impatient, now my childbearing years are clouded with what-ifs.<br>
My body just needed more time to kick it into gear, I'm a slow laborer.
 

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I am so happy I attempted VBAC. My water broke at 41 weeks, and due to hospital "policies" about not letting me move around, I believe that stalled my labor. I had a c/s 36 hours after my water broke. I was sad with the outcome, but would not change the VBAC attempt for anything. I can't imagine scheduling a c/s for 39 weeks. I am hoping for a HBA2C in the future.
 

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I accidentally erased my post... blah..<br><br>
I had a section, a sucessful vbac, and then another section, after attempting vbac.<br><br>
It was totally worth it. And I plan to try again in the next couple weeks! Only this time, I am doing it at home, so we can take the knife of temptation out of surgeons hand... LOL<br><br>
If I need another section, it will be an emergency, and something will be wrong.<br><br>
The last section for me, happened after 2 hours of issues with heart tones, they said my baby would die if I didn't have one soon... and then an hour later they cut me open. Sounds really urgent doesn't it? Maybe they should have considered changing my position to ANYTHING else, before they let his heart rate stay low for so long.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I attempted a VBAC after 1 c/s, and would do it again. The only thing I would do different would be to have a HBAC. Like pp once your in the hospital your on a time line. That attempt would have been me best oppurtunity for a VBAC, but my doctor was impatient, now my childbearing years are clouded with what-ifs.<br>
My body just needed more time to kick it into gear, I'm a slow laborer.</div>
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This is exactly my opinion too. I attempted vbac at a hospital. Wish I would have done it at home. However, I would not not not take that experience away for anything!! It was a long difficult natural labor but it was very empowering. I even went to 42 w 2 d or something like that....
 

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I am so glad I planned a VBAC, even though it didn't work out for me. I feel like I really BIRTHED my baby, with a loooonnnggg natural labor and three hours of pushing...truly, it was a tough and beautiful experience.<br><br>
I can't imagine if I had scheduled a c/sec. I think my feelings of grief and loss would have been even greater, since I wouldn't have had that labor experience.
 

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Since you asked <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">, I'll go ahead and share.<br><br>
I have to admit that I have mixed feeliings. My VBAC attempt (almost 6 weeks ago) was really, really long, incredibly difficult/painful, and I, too, fell asleep during the c-section. The next day I was in a minor tizzy because the initial recovery was so much harder than the first time (also after a long, long labor) - I was physically and emotionally depleted. On one hand, I am so glad that I gave everything I had during labor because I don't wonder this time what went wrong. I did everything "right" the first time and had a c/s. I did everything "right" to have a VBAC and ended up with a c/s. Something about working very hard twice made me feel better about both births. That alone makes it worth it to me.<br><br>
However, I regret putting so much effort into preparing for the VBAC. I was sort of smug, you know, little Miss ICAN. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> I lived and breathed VBAC prep since the day I got a positive on the home pregnancy test because there was a part of me that felt I could do all the right things and get that all important VBAC. The truth is, some women will recline on the sofa their entire pregnancies, show up at Intervention Hospital for a pit induction at 40 weeks, get the epidural as soon as they can, and have an uncomplicated vaginal delivery. Some women - like me - will do OFP/spinningbabies.com religiously, visit the chiro/accupuncturist, hire a doula, attend ICAN meetings, change providers and delivery locations, use hypnosis, eat right, talk to their baby, yada, yada, blah, blah, and end up with a CBAC. Sometimes life just ain't fair. I do wish I hadn't been so preoccupied with the planning because it made me a bit nutty at times.<br><br>
In the end, I'm glad I worked for the VBAC because now I know how the story turns out. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> The experience certainly taught me a lot about myself.<br><br>
Good luck! Hopefully these responses will help you get in touch with what you want and need from your next birth experience.
 

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Sharon, I planned to VBAC twice. But because of circumstances with my second son, it was best that I had another cesarean. (He was 9 lb 14 oz, still floating, breech, and showing signs of post dates---he was 12 days past the "due date") Since I wanted a natural birth, I refused an induction. I also refused a version since I knew he was big (I'm only 4' 11'') I wanted to wait till I went into labor on my own to give him a chance to turn, and be squeezed on by labor.... But like I said, under the circumstances, we decided that if by 12 days past the accurate "due date"...and his position hadn't changed, I would have a "scheduled cesarean birth". Sure enough, I didn't go into labor and his position never changed.... It was a very beautiful and peaceful birth! (He was infact postdate!) I felt sad that I didn't get to VBAC, but in my heart and in my mind I knew that the cesarean birth was necessary.<br><br>
With my second planned VBAC, my daughter again was breech! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: However, this time she was smaller! I agreed to try the ECV (midwife only). It worked!!!!! Finally, I felt like I could VBAC! For the first time ever, I went into labor on my own (a few days after the "due date"). I labored and labored and labored. I was doing very well. At 56 hours into the labor, I decided it was time to go to the hospital. I progressed to 9+ cm and 100% effaced, but my daughter never dropped. (I stood, squatted, sat on the birth ball, etc throughout the labor.) At 60 hours of labor, my doula and nurse talked me into having another cesarean birth. At first, I was devasted! I wasn't ready to give up; I had gone so far. But they were right, we had tried everything....and I was exhausted. My daughter was born via cesarean birth because the cord was wrapped around her body 3 or 4 times and once around her hand.... she couldn't drop! She also wasn't very responsive.... one nurse even thought she was an epidural baby. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: Since my daughter's birth (2.5 years ago), I've become a student doula and work with the midwife who did the ECV. We agree that the ECV could have caused the cord to wrap around my daughter. I've never regretted the decision to do the ECV.... because it gave me the opportunity to VBAC. I've never regretted laboring. I know that I did the very best I could do, it just wasn't meant to be.<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">If I was to have another baby, I would plan another VBAC until it became medically necessary to have another cesarean birth.</span> I still believe in my body's and other women's bodies to give birth naturally. But now I know that sometimes you can do everything right and still need medical intervention. I think you need to do a lot of soul searching and figure out what is going to be best for you and this future baby. You can't go into labor and be afraid that your body will rupture.... Just like you can't willingly go into the OR and regret your decision to have not planned a VBAC. You make your decisions the best they can be under the circumstances.... that's all that really is expected.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">PS I'm not pregnant, BUT I do have a midwife and doula - I wanted to make sure everyone was on board before we considered more children. esp after 2 c/s - <b>no hospital will 'allow' me to deliver vaginally.</b> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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FYI- I labored in a hospital the last 6 hours of my 60 hour labor (after 2 previous cesarean births). When they contacted the dr, he had them tell me he advised me not to attempt a VBAC and I should have the cesarean now. (This is before they knew I had been in labor for "awhile" and that I was already 6-7 cm, 75% effaced with a bulging bag of waters.) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">: I then signed a legal document stating the VBAC was my idea and I knew it went against the dr's advice. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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you know, this is helpful to me because I feel like my c-section was my fault. I've been wondering how I'd cope with having to have another c-section, but at least if it happens I will know that I planned, learned, and tried for a vaginal birth. I'm not going to just submit to unnecessary things, like last time. thanks!
 

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I was sort of smug, you know, little Miss ICAN. I lived and breathed VBAC prep since the day I got a positive on the home pregnancy test because there was a part of me that felt I could do all the right things and get that all important VBAC. The truth is, some women will recline on the sofa their entire pregnancies, show up at Intervention Hospital for a pit induction at 40 weeks, get the epidural as soon as they can, and have an uncomplicated vaginal delivery. Some women - like me - will do OFP/spinningbabies.com religiously, visit the chiro/accupuncturist, hire a doula, attend ICAN meetings, change providers and delivery locations, use hypnosis, eat right, talk to their baby, yada, yada, blah, blah, and end up with a CBAC.<br><br>
OMG! That is exactly what went through my mind!
 

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Thank you so much, ladies, for your replies so far <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> . I have found them most encouraging to hear that VBAC attempts can still help to heal earlier experiences and there aren't too many regrets, despite things not going exactly as hoped and planned for.<br><br>
It sounds like many women wish they'd tried a home birth though and will aim for that the next time. I wonder if things are a bit different here, in Australia, as it sounds like the hospital system is a bit different, maybe not as strict when it comes to VBAC and procedures during C-sections.<br><br>
I don't fear having an emergency C-section if needed, and will do so most willingly if it will protect me or my baby. I'd just like to give the VBAC a fair go, without being totally pre-occupied in my pregnancy about what will happen. At least I feel much more informed already about childbirth. My main fear is rupture, even though it is so rare. I think in my heart of hearts, my only regret for attempting VBAC would be if I had a rupture (and then that would be a massive regret), not if I needed a C-section without a problem with baby. But it's sometimes a statistics game, I guess, and the risk is very small and you compare it to C-section risks, etc.<br><br>
At the end of the day, I'd rather schedule a C-section than have to be induced if baby v late, as the rupture rate is higher...is that a bad way to think?! I went to 41w 5days (accurate) with first baby and cervix tight and high, was induced. dilated to 7cm but baby still -2 station posterior deflexed. Felt like I would have gone to 44weeks if I"d let nature take it's course! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Boy, all this is tough to think about <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: I'm so happy to find a forum like this to discuss. Thanx!<br><br>
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FYI- Most babies do not arrive till AFTER their <span style="text-decoration:underline;">accurate</span> "due date". Generally, you should add 8 to 10 days to the accurate due date to figure out when to expect the baby. So 41 weeks and 5 days isn't really that "overdue". I don't consider anyone truly "overdue" till at least 42 weeks. Then you can start weighing your options... we usually recommend getting a biophysical (and doing kick counts) to ease dr and/or moms fears of being "overdue". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
Did your baby have any post date signs being born at 41 w and 5 days? I also had a baby at 41 w and 5 days (without labor beginning)- but he was a true post-date baby. However, some babies just need to "cook" longer and it doesn't mean that they are late. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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Hmmm...post-date signs...well, she had very long hair and nails. Her skin looked pretty good. She was pretty fat! 9lb 4 oz. No meconium. I knew my ovulation date. Maybe she was just a long-cooker, like you say. I reckon it was her malpostition that prevented labour from starting. I now know much more about that, and would work at preventing that the next time!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hmmm...post-date signs...well, she had very long hair and nails. Her skin looked pretty good. She was pretty fat! 9lb 4 oz. No meconium. I knew my ovulation date. Maybe she was just a long-cooker, like you say. I reckon it was her malpostition that prevented labour from starting. I now know much more about that, and would work at preventing that the next time!</div>
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My son was born at 39 weeks and he had VERY long hair and nails. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
He was a stringbean though, but that's just the way he is.
 

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Hi Sharon, I don't know the exact answer to your question yet, as I'm due in a few weeks, but I was plagued by the same 'what-if's' most of my pregnancy. I must say that the anxiety somehow is wearing off now the end is in sight <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br>
Did you have that experience at the end of your pregnancy too, like focussing more and more inward, avoiding hassle and crowds and become kind of peaceful, preparing emotionally for things to come? I was afraid I wouldn't be able to be like that this time, because of my massive worrying about the *choice* that would have to be made (like you said, I hated the thought of having to make that decision in the first place) But hormones are taking care of a lot of things <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> . I'm more at peace now than I ever thought I would be, I've done my research, chiro, hypno, acupuncture and all that, and you know what, I do not even frequent this forum daily anymore (!), the worries just seem to fade on their own.<br>
Even though I'll have to VBAC in hospital and regret deeply I cant HBAC (UBAC is way beyond my comfort level, and where I live midwives are not allowed to do HBACs) heck, I'm ready to give it a try! What tipped the balance for me was that we're all slow cookers in my family, and I just couldn't stand the thought of my baby being taken out at 38 weeks by ERCS, like my OB originally proposed (my Laura needed a full 42 weeks before she was ready to come out). I guess the way I look at it now is: if I end up with another Cs, than that's too bad, but I'll deal with it when it happens. HTH!
 

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post date signs usually include: very low amniotic fluid. (Yes, as a pregnancy nears the due date, AF is lower. I'm talking about much lower because the placenta is not working as well.) Post date babies also look like little old people. They have very little vernix and lanugo and are heavily wrinkled. My son really did look like a little old man. The fact that he was 9lb and 14 oz also contributed to him not looking much like a newborn. My placenta was also larger (2 lb. 1oz)<br><br>
This is a GREAT page about going past your due date:<a href="http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/postdates.html" target="_blank">http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/postdates.html</a>
 
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